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Gnejs
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Gnejs » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:23 am

Not really the thread for inquiring about 'weird' stat effects. Just saying.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tinhampton » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:45 pm

Option 415.3 wrote:“It’s not just horseball,” mentions Jennifer Parkarvarkar, a techie joining the conversation via Trype. “Think about legball. Concussions happen there all the time. It’s just not in the news anywhere as often. And then there’s hoopball. They wipe each other out all of the time. Us video gamers have fun without ever knocking our skulls together. I propose we ban all physical sports. It’s only the safest op-” he says before the screen turns off with a security guard twirling the plug.

Gender inconsistency: The name "Jennifer" is matched with a "he".
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Drasnia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Drasnia » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:58 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Option 415.3 wrote:“It’s not just horseball,” mentions Jennifer Parkarvarkar, a techie joining the conversation via Trype. “Think about legball. Concussions happen there all the time. It’s just not in the news anywhere as often. And then there’s hoopball. They wipe each other out all of the time. Us video gamers have fun without ever knocking our skulls together. I propose we ban all physical sports. It’s only the safest op-” he says before the screen turns off with a security guard twirling the plug.

Gender inconsistency: The name "Jennifer" is matched with a "he".

I'm guessing it's coded as @@RANDOMNAME@@ instead of @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, just like in the spoiler thread?
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ransium » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:03 pm

Drasnia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Gender inconsistency: The name "Jennifer" is matched with a "he".

I'm guessing it's coded as @@RANDOMNAME@@ instead of @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, just like in the spoiler thread?


Correct. I've put in a request to have it fixed.

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Postby Aclion » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:15 pm

The space research organization in Aclion has requested more government funding for space-related research and development, and the possibility of creating orbital weapons platforms has become a topic of intense debate.

That should be
A space research organization
(or the organisation should have a name)
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The United Providences of Perland
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:51 am

Issue 543 option 2;
“They can’t keep getting away with this,” states Chief of Police Amanda Rose calmly, eyes fixed on a slow motion playback of the incident’s CCTV footage. “This snot nosed little punk wasted an entire day’s worth of police time with unnecessary evacuations and dealing with panicking crowds. An online perpetual ID system should be used, so home-grown terrorists can’t hide behind their shrouds of anonymity.
I don't have CCTV.
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Anarchy

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:11 am

Ransium wrote:
Drasnia wrote:I'm guessing it's coded as @@RANDOMNAME@@ instead of @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, just like in the spoiler thread?


Correct. I've put in a request to have it fixed.


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Anarchy

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:12 am

Aclion wrote:The space research organization in Aclion has requested more government funding for space-related research and development, and the possibility of creating orbital weapons platforms has become a topic of intense debate.

That should be
A space research organization
(or the organisation should have a name)


I think it reads fine as it is. "The" implies that there's only one.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:16 am

The United Providences of Perland wrote:Issue 543 option 2;
“They can’t keep getting away with this,” states Chief of Police Amanda Rose calmly, eyes fixed on a slow motion playback of the incident’s CCTV footage. “This snot nosed little punk wasted an entire day’s worth of police time with unnecessary evacuations and dealing with panicking crowds. An online perpetual ID system should be used, so home-grown terrorists can’t hide behind their shrouds of anonymity.
I don't have CCTV.


Clarify please.

Do you mean that you've previously answered an issue which stops your nation having CCTV? If so, flag that issue option for me, and I'll see if I can flag it as a potential future policy flag.

Or that your imagined setting for your nation includes the fact that you don't have CCTV? If so, I think no changes are needed, as the NS issues have to assume some default level of how nations look and are, and will never encompass all the nation shapes that can be rped.
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The United Providences of Perland
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:30 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:Issue 543 option 2;
“They can’t keep getting away with this,” states Chief of Police Amanda Rose calmly, eyes fixed on a slow motion playback of the incident’s CCTV footage. “This snot nosed little punk wasted an entire day’s worth of police time with unnecessary evacuations and dealing with panicking crowds. An online perpetual ID system should be used, so home-grown terrorists can’t hide behind their shrouds of anonymity.
I don't have CCTV.


Clarify please.

Do you mean that you've previously answered an issue which stops your nation having CCTV? If so, flag that issue option for me, and I'll see if I can flag it as a potential future policy flag.

Or that your imagined setting for your nation includes the fact that you don't have CCTV? If so, I think no changes are needed, as the NS issues have to assume some default level of how nations look and are, and will never encompass all the nation shapes that can be rped.

In the CCTV issue, I have never picked the option to implement them in public places (I can pull the exact issue if you need it). But what I'm stating is that in issue 543, in the above option (option 1), it uses CCTV as a medium for viewing the incident. This wouldn't make sense for nations without public CCTV.
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The Huge Golden Empire
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huge Golden Empire » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:50 pm

I have had some problems with civil rights. If I legalise homosexual marriage the only thing which grows is secularism and not civil rights. However, if I legalise abortion only to rape and when the mother's life is in danger, the civil rights lower from very good to good.

Don't you think that legalising homosexual marriage is something which improves civil rights?

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Zwangzug » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:13 pm

The Huge Golden Empire wrote:I have had some problems with civil rights. If I legalise homosexual marriage the only thing which grows is secularism and not civil rights. However, if I legalise abortion only to rape and when the mother's life is in danger, the civil rights lower from very good to good.

Don't you think that legalising homosexual marriage is something which improves civil rights?
The game already recognizes that your country has freedom of marriage and shouldn't become any more free or have more civil rights due to that issue. Other countries may have their civil rights raised by recognizing same-sex marriage (or adoption).
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Phydios
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Phydios » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:39 pm

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Clarify please.

Do you mean that you've previously answered an issue which stops your nation having CCTV? If so, flag that issue option for me, and I'll see if I can flag it as a potential future policy flag.

Or that your imagined setting for your nation includes the fact that you don't have CCTV? If so, I think no changes are needed, as the NS issues have to assume some default level of how nations look and are, and will never encompass all the nation shapes that can be rped.

In the CCTV issue, I have never picked the option to implement them in public places (I can pull the exact issue if you need it). But what I'm stating is that in issue 543, in the above option (option 1), it uses CCTV as a medium for viewing the incident. This wouldn't make sense for nations without public CCTV.

The issue regarding cameras in public places is talking about government-controlled cameras. Real-world police departments, when investigating incidents, request footage from private CCTV systems all the time. Your nation isn't free of security cameras just because your government isn't overtly spying on citizens.
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The Huge Golden Empire
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huge Golden Empire » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:19 pm

Zwangzug wrote:
The Huge Golden Empire wrote:I have had some problems with civil rights. If I legalise homosexual marriage the only thing which grows is secularism and not civil rights. However, if I legalise abortion only to rape and when the mother's life is in danger, the civil rights lower from very good to good.

Don't you think that legalising homosexual marriage is something which improves civil rights?
The game already recognizes that your country has freedom of marriage and shouldn't become any more free or have more civil rights due to that issue. Other countries may have their civil rights raised by recognizing same-sex marriage (or adoption).


Thank you. In this case I'll have to wait until an useful issue comes to me.

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Lamebrainia
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Issue #676

Postby Lamebrainia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:50 pm

The introduction:
citizens have accosted you while on your morning stroll

I don't think an incomplete clause starting with "while" is a good grammatical choice here: "while" doesn't work in the same way "that" or "who" do, because it describes the predicate, not an argument. I would strongly recommend changing the bit quoted above to "citizens have accosted you while you were on your morning stroll" to avoid confusion (what the hell are citizens doing on your morning stroll?!).

Well, and congratulations on getting a new editor for your team. I hope to see more issues from Wyethalania in the future.

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Drasnia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Drasnia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:58 pm

Lamebrainia wrote:The introduction:
citizens have accosted you while on your morning stroll

I don't think an incomplete clause starting with "while" is a good grammatical choice here: "while" doesn't work in the same way "that" or "who" do, because it describes the predicate, not an argument. I would strongly recommend changing the bit quoted above to "citizens have accosted you while you were on your morning stroll" to avoid confusion (what the hell are citizens doing on your morning stroll?!).

Well, and congratulations on getting a new editor for your team. I hope to see more issues from Wyethalania in the future.

I don't think it's exactly causing any confusion. The you are is being implied, which I find pretty clear enough already.
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Lamebrainia
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Postby Lamebrainia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:13 pm

Drasnia wrote:I don't think it's exactly causing any confusion. The you are is being implied, which I find pretty clear enough already.

I've just politely rephrased that which means "this is gramatically incorrect". Whatever's implied, this is not how English sentences are structured. English lacks the fully-pronounced grammatical genders and cases to make any such phrase clear. Because both the pronoun and the verb are omitted, the adverbial clause automatically gets attached to the main clause of the sentence, thus making citizens accost you while they are on a stroll. Adverbial clauses have to have the same subject as the subject of the main clause. There's a famous example attributed to Chekhov, I think:
Approaching the station, my hat fell off.

Issue #676 suffers from a similar ill. You might argue the subject is obvious, but you are referring to contextual obviousness, and I am referring to the grammatical structure a sentence has to follow.
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Phydios
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Postby Phydios » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:29 am

Lamebrainia wrote:
Drasnia wrote:I don't think it's exactly causing any confusion. The you are is being implied, which I find pretty clear enough already.

I've just politely rephrased that which means "this is gramatically incorrect". Whatever's implied, this is not how English sentences are structured. English lacks the fully-pronounced grammatical genders and cases to make any such phrase clear. Because both the pronoun and the verb are omitted, the adverbial clause automatically gets attached to the main clause of the sentence, thus making citizens accost you while they are on a stroll. Adverbial clauses have to have the same subject as the subject of the main clause. There's a famous example attributed to Chekhov, I think:
Approaching the station, my hat fell off.

Issue #676 suffers from a similar ill. You might argue the subject is obvious, but you are referring to contextual obviousness, and I am referring to the grammatical structure a sentence has to follow.

English ain't a tightly structured language, especially in casual conversation. There aren't no one way to structure an English sentence in this situation. Only need be just structured enough to be understandable. "Contextual obviousness" make up lot of English comprehension and ya certainly aren't gonna get people on a Internet game to follow every obscure grammar rule from history. This ain't no academic or professional context. Wonder, do ya follow "ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which i will not put" stuff?
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Candlewhisper Archive
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Anarchy

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:21 am

As someone who is frequently prescriptivist, I have to say I agree with your assessment of that Lamebrainia, but not sufficiently to over-ride what is both an authorial AND an editorial call here. The meaning is clear, so I'm not going to call for a change in the grammar unless Wyethalania is keen on a change.
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Issue #565 'A' Is For Academic Doping

Postby Swietopelk » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:47 pm

Found out that if you choose the option to remove all exams and let schools teach what they want, the result is "the nation's school children are fluent in Klingon but lack basic mathematical skills." Things like the Sudbury model of school (basically the students doing whatever they want with no classes or anything) have shown that children who aren't taught math end up doing just as well or sometimes better than if they are taught math or any other subject because they learn it on their own. Same goes for a lot of other subjects.
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Anarchy

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:08 am

Swietopelk wrote:Found out that if you choose the option to remove all exams and let schools teach what they want, the result is "the nation's school children are fluent in Klingon but lack basic mathematical skills." Things like the Sudbury model of school (basically the students doing whatever they want with no classes or anything) have shown that children who aren't taught math end up doing just as well or sometimes better than if they are taught math or any other subject because they learn it on their own. Same goes for a lot of other subjects.


It's just comedic exaggeration in the effect line. You'll note in the stats, your nation got smarter and more cultured.
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:29 pm

Did someone change the random last name macro to expunge all spaces from its entries? Because I noticed them missing in some names that should be multiple words.

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Big Brain City
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Big Brain City » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:09 pm

Issue 656 result 2 effect line pluralizes from the adjective demonym rather than the plural demonym:
The "war on terror" doesn't seem to be making Brainishes any less frightened.


should be
The "war on terror" doesn't seem to be making Brainishpeople any less frightened.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Drayxaso » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:29 pm

Drayxaso wrote:
Issue 272, Option 3 wrote:“Cars are only a part of the problem,” argues transit advocate Marin Abbott, assembling a toy train set on your desktop. “Trucks and busses are just as deadly. We need to shift entirely to railroads and get rid of cars AND trucks - hi-speed trains between cities, light rail to the suburbs, monorails and trolleys in town. We can dump those old speed limit laws - people won’t get run over if they stay off the tracks! So what if a few industrial complexes have to relocate or close? It’s for the greater good!”

Should be "High-Speed."

Sorry to be a bother, but I don't think this was noticed.
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Anarchy

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:06 am

Big Brain City wrote:Issue 656 result 2 effect line pluralizes from the adjective demonym rather than the plural demonym:
The "war on terror" doesn't seem to be making Brainishes any less frightened.


should be
The "war on terror" doesn't seem to be making Brainishpeople any less frightened.



Cheers, straight error on my part. Fixed.
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