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Postby Sanctaria » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:28 am

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Sedgistan wrote:Please stop trying to Americanise the spelling of issues. British English is used in many of them, and we have no intention of changing that.


Its not a spelling correction. While both are legitimate words the meanings are quite different.
realise - earn on some commercial or business transaction; earn as salary or wages;
realize - To comprehend completely or correctly.
I believe its used in the ize sense.

The latter is spelled realise in countries that use British English. Which Sedge told you.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:02 am

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8 hours ago: Following new legislation in Starkmoor, a recent law has banned homes from having any more than one wheel.
The a recent law portion of this sentence is redundant, since it is preceded by "following new legislation".

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Christian Democrats wrote:Issue #59, Option 2

"That's lovely," says Renee Schultz, a noted anti-alcohol advocate, "In a perfect world where rehab fixes everything. But this is the real world, and it doesn't bring back the victims. Drunk drivers kill people every day. If they take other's lives, the government must take theirs!"

It should be s'.

Christian Democrats wrote:Issue #204, Option 1

"The problem is that there just aren't enough incentives to enter the medical profession," says Doctor Gertie Frederickson. "We need to advertise government grants for medical students, [and] give more funding to educational centres of medicine. If you don't act quickly then Culture of Life will have a full-blown healthcare crisis!"

Fixed.

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Fix results or wording for option #2 for issue #107

Postby Lyra and Bon Bon » Sat May 10, 2014 7:54 pm

So today, I had Issue #107 "Private Lab Holds @@NAME@@'s Sick To Ransom"

Option #2 is written as "That's a disgraceful way to think!" says equal rights activist, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "So the people who need the most help shouldn't get any? I propose that the government subsidises the production of all drugs so everyone can benefit from them, rich or not! That way the money-hungry corporations won't profit from the suffering of the masses. Of course there will be the matter of a small tax rise to fund it - but what's that when lives will be saved?"

At first glance, I saw the 'government subsidizes the production of all drugs so everyone can benefit' and thought "subsidized; that should be good for the economy (more sales, as there is a lower cost to end users)" and expected a bit of a tax hike for my government picking up some of the costs.

What resulted was a serious (9 points) hit to my economy, and a tagline of "pharmacies close down as medicinal drugs are sold freely by the government." (as a side note 'sold freely' is an odd phrase, perhaps use 'distributed freely' instead?)

I think someone(s) here in writing this issue and its results, has confused the concepts of subsidization (where the government covers some or all costs of goods or services from an industry) and nationalization (where the government takes direct control of a private industry).

Government subsidization of an industry does not result in their bankruptcy, or in a drastic loss of profitability; indeed it is exactly the opposite. There is a reason why so many lobbyists actively pursue government for subsidies for their respective industries.

So, either option #2 for this issue needs to have its result retooled to an accurate and correct effect (a boost to industry rating, not major damage) or change the wording from 'subsidizes the production' to 'nationalizes the production'.

for as it stands currently, the issue options wording and its end result are polar opposites of each other.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed May 21, 2014 2:15 pm

Issue 302, Option 2

"What the... hell does that have to do with anything?" asks Elaine Chicago, successful personal injury lawyer and owner of four sports cars. "The real issue is that De Luigi's enacted a stupid policy that resulted in injury and property damage! We need to send a clear message to big business that they'll be held liable for their mistakes, and the best way to do that, of course, is with a punitive class action lawsuit."

Quotation mark needed at end of first sentence.
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed May 21, 2014 2:31 pm

Fixed - thanks.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue May 27, 2014 12:54 am

Issue #240, Option 2:

"What that moral elitist is neglecting to tell you," sneers Mary Chen, a prosecutor. "Is that plea bargaining has made our judicial system MORE effective, not less! There needs to be give and take so we can get to the truth and that's what plea bargains allow us. We were able to catch the worst criminal kingpin Christian Democrats has ever seen because of Mr White's testimony. Also, do you realise how clogged up and expensive the court system would be if every trial went before jury? Very, my friend. Very. Plea bargaining must be allowed to continue."

You should change the period after "prosecutor" to a comma and change "Is" to "is."
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
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SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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Postby Sedgistan » Tue May 27, 2014 1:35 am

Changed the full stop to a comma. I'm not sure the "Is" should be changed to "is" - my understanding was that it should remain capitalised (and I'm fairly sure that's what we've been doing with other issues too).

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Postby Wrapper » Tue May 27, 2014 4:40 am

Sedgistan wrote:Changed the full stop to a comma. I'm not sure the "Is" should be changed to "is" - my understanding was that it should remain capitalised (and I'm fairly sure that's what we've been doing with other issues too).

"No," notes Wrapper, a former publisher and editor, "it's most definitely lowercase, because it's a continuation of the same sentence that started before the attribution clause."

"That said, a full stop with capitalization is sometimes proper," he continues. "That would be the case when two separate, complete sentences are separated by the attribution clause, but that's not the case in this issue."

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Postby Sedgistan » Tue May 27, 2014 11:21 am

Thanks - fixed. I bet there's more like that out there if someone wants to look :P

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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue May 27, 2014 5:24 pm

And, then, I log into my nation and see there's an error in the effect of that option too. :p

7 hours ago: Following new legislation in Christian Democrats, innocent defendants often plea guilty for fear of receiving a much harsher sentence before jury.

The word "plea" is a noun. The word that should be used here is the verb "plead."

Defendants often plead guilty, or defendants often enter guilty pleas. :geek:



EDIT: Also, there should probably be an "a" between "before" and "jury."
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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Postby Inventio » Thu May 29, 2014 6:03 pm

In issue #81, Option 1:
"This event proves one thing: there are other life-forms out there," says eccentric astronomer Ali Steele, "All we have to do is find them! What is the price of a few hundred Radio Telescopes compared to the benefit of living in peace and harmony with our brethren of the stars?"

Radio Telescopes is not a proper noun; both the "R" and the "T" should not be capitalized.
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Postby Lyra and Bon Bon » Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:07 am

Well, as my previous post pointing out that an issues choice/result was either mis-written by use of wrong terminology, or the end effect is in error did not even rate a reply; here is a much easier typo to consider.

Issue is: Where in the Woods is Cindy SanFrancisco?

Option #4 starts with "Yer all missin' the heart o' matter," which when translated from its rather quaint backwoods colloquialism would be read as "You are all missing the heart of matter,".

There really should be a 'the' inserted to make it "Yer all missin' the heart o' the matter,", as the abbreviation o' only stands for 'of' and in this case, would still require use of a 'the' after-words, much like as in Will-o'-the-wisp or 'sign o' the times'.

'o' the' is used correctly later in this same option, when it ends with the sentence "You give me and my team the OK, and we'll make those wooded deathtraps a thing o' the past!"
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Postby Death Queen Island » Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:04 am

After the kidnapping, rape, and murder of a young blond girl made national headlines in Death Queen Island, the concerned parenting organization Mothers Against Youth Doing Stupid Stuff (MAYDSS) has raised concerns over the use of social networking sites by the nation's teens.
The Debate

"Teens should not be allowed to use social networking!" cries the girl's mother, Gretel With. "Some creep added my little darling as a 'friend' on that awful website, and he used it to get all of her personal information and track her down! Obviously, the only sane course of action is to ban all legal minors from using social networking sites! And don't just stop at social networks: block everything else that MAYDSS doesn't approve of!"

"Why that's utterly preposterous!" shouts Luke Zuckermann, founder of MyFace, a popular social networking site. "You can't restrict people like that! Oh, sure, today it's keeping teens from lining my wa- I mean - accessing my website, but tomorrow it's keeping everyone from anywhere the government doesn't like! I say free up the web, and get rid of restrictions!"

"You know, there's always a compromise," says local pervert Jean-Paul Wu while watching you from a nearby tree. "As I see it, the best way to keep both sides of the argument happy is to remove all restrictions on what adults can view and increase restrictions on minors. But at the same time, lower the age of majority by a lot. What could possibly go wrong?"

"What could possibly go wrong, you ask?" panics your paranoid cousin, Al Singh. "On the internet, nobody knows your actual age. It's a haven for malicious anonymity! Besides, children aren't the only people at risk on the internet. It's full of stalker-rapists and bomb-makers and viruses and sick, depraved porn. We're better off without it."


What does age of majority mean in this context? is it a mistake?
Also where can I voice my complaint that this issue shouldn't be happening in my nation. There is no private industry, or at least there shouldn't be. >:(
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Postby Sanctaria » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:12 am

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Postby Lumidal » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:24 am

I don't know the name of this issue, but shouldn't "unconventional" be capitalised since it's at the beginning of the sentence?
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:27 am

That's a bug, though not with the issue - thanks for pointing it out.

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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:35 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:And, then, I log into my nation and see there's an error in the effect of that option too. :p

7 hours ago: Following new legislation in Christian Democrats, innocent defendants often plea guilty for fear of receiving a much harsher sentence before jury.

The word "plea" is a noun. The word that should be used here is the verb "plead."

Defendants often plead guilty, or defendants often enter guilty pleas. :geek:



EDIT: Also, there should probably be an "a" between "before" and "jury."

Fixed the first suggestion, the second one looks not to be a mistake.
Inventio wrote:In issue #81, Option 1:
"This event proves one thing: there are other life-forms out there," says eccentric astronomer Ali Steele, "All we have to do is find them! What is the price of a few hundred Radio Telescopes compared to the benefit of living in peace and harmony with our brethren of the stars?"

Radio Telescopes is not a proper noun; both the "R" and the "T" should not be capitalized.

Fixed.
Lyra and Bon Bon wrote:Well, as my previous post pointing out that an issues choice/result was either mis-written by use of wrong terminology, or the end effect is in error did not even rate a reply; here is a much easier typo to consider.

Issue is: Where in the Woods is Cindy SanFrancisco?

Option #4 starts with "Yer all missin' the heart o' matter," which when translated from its rather quaint backwoods colloquialism would be read as "You are all missing the heart of matter,".

There really should be a 'the' inserted to make it "Yer all missin' the heart o' the matter,", as the abbreviation o' only stands for 'of' and in this case, would still require use of a 'the' after-words, much like as in Will-o'-the-wisp or 'sign o' the times'.

'o' the' is used correctly later in this same option, when it ends with the sentence "You give me and my team the OK, and we'll make those wooded deathtraps a thing o' the past!"

I didn't see your first report as being an error that needed fixing. I've fixed the other one though.

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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:08 am

I think there might be an error in the issue: #099: We Need Cash, Sharpish, Say Librarians

I'm speaking particularly of option 4. I have tested the issue twice with two different nations, and both times I achieved the following results:
--- No change to trends (Econ, Civil Rights, PFreedoms). Tax increase slightly. Increase in Education spending.

Let's look at option 4 itself and the description of what happens after you picked it.

4."Great Scot! I've got it!" exclaims Howard de Groot, your science advisor. "Why do we need these brick and mortar buildings anyway? Let's just scan all these books, newspapers and magazines onto the internet and then we can fire all those expensive librarians with their pensions and healthcare benefits. Think of the money we'd save if we didn't have to print everything! Sure it'll be tough on the librarians and those with no computers but hey, this is the future and they are the past."


Result: ......libraries are bulldozed to make way for internet cafés

Since we are firing all those "expensive librarians", and bulldozing the libraries...there would be savings in:
a) Maintenance costs of the libraries.
b) Salaries of the librarians.

The fact that they are making way for internet cafes... also suggests that the land of which the libraries were on is sold to private developers, making a profit for the government.

In such a case, how can there be an increase in education spending? (Granted, there will be some cost to "scan all these books, newspapers and magazines" but the cost of scanning will be ridiculously low compared to savings accrued from reducing library staff and closing down facilities + selling off land/development rights to Internet Cafes. It doesn't make sense to me that there will be a spending increase at the end of the day.

Is this a logical error?

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At the same time, let's look at the 4 options together and how they affect education spending.
Option 1: Increases education spending
Option 2: Decreases education spending
Option 3: Increases education spending
Option 4: Increases education spending

As of right now only option 2 decreases spending. My view is that option 4 should decrease spending too so that the four options are equitable.


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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:09 am

Goddess Relief Office wrote:My view is that option 4 should decrease spending too so that the four options are equitable.

While we like to present a range of options in issues, we won't try to balance them in the way you've described. That said, the option you've highlighted really shouldn't increase spending - I'll fix that.

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Postby Riasy » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:54 am

I see a potential problem with the outcome of the Option 3 of the issue #102: For Whom The Road Tolls. Among other things it is increasing the "Most Pro-Market" stat, but that doesn't make any sense. How the ban on the use of private transport in the cities can reform the economy in the direction of Free Market? I believe it should have the opposite effect.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:11 am

Riasy wrote:I see a potential problem with the outcome of the Option 3 of the issue #102: For Whom The Road Tolls. Among other things it is increasing the "Most Pro-Market" stat, but that doesn't make any sense. How the ban on the use of private transport in the cities can reform the economy in the direction of Free Market? I believe it should have the opposite effect.

Yep, that looks like a bug - fixed. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

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Postby The Rhomaion » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:22 pm

I don't think this has been reported:

Issue #328, option 3.

"Speaking of inside men…" says an unnamed secret service agent, stepping out of the shadows, "How do we know they haven't infiltrated our intelligence services? Think about it, how else would they know our plans and convoy routes? Spies and insurgents -- now they are the real problem; a problem I can get rid of if you let me launch a secret investigation with, eh, secret results."

The closing speech-marks, noted in blue above, are missing from this option.
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:26 pm

Thanks - fixed.

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:34 am

This was noticed by someone else in our region, about Issue #22: (Nazi Sympathizers Plan Rally)

"Far-right-wing Nazi supporters plan to stage a rally in the city center tomorrow, giving voice to their violent, racist views."

Hitler himself, anticipating our future questions over whether Nazism was left or right wing, answered them for us. In his own words:

Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors [...] But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms.


That is from Mein Kampf. So maybe replace "Far-right-wing" with "Radical" or other non left/right term? Because even Hitler thinks it's wrong. ;)
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:44 am

I can't say I particularly trust Hitler's assessment of anything, so I'm not going to be swayed by that argument. Additionally, that he's criticising the politicians of the right doesn't mean that he doesn't consider himself to be right-wing.

I'm aware that many of the Nazi party's policies could be considered "left-wing", and of course they had the word "socialist" in their party name. However, the general perception is that they are a "far-right" party, and I think it's therefore acceptable for the issue to make that assumption too.

It's not a situation that would generally arise in issues, as we tend to avoid such overt real-world references - this issue is one of the originals written by Max, when there was less of a "NationStates world" that could be considered separate to the real-world (that's why you'll also see mention of Harry Potter in one of his original issues).

That it was written by Max is also another reason it won't be changed, though my stance would be the same regardless.

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