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Postby Goldsaver » Sat May 21, 2011 9:46 am

Robots Leaving Workers Jobless

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Amidst a growing level of unemployment, thousands of workers have been fired and then replaced by automatic systems. They have petitioned you to intervene.
The Debate

1. "It's just sickening! Do you know how long it took most of us to get a decent, 'stable' job?" shouts Sue-Ann Bush, president of the Goldsaver Labour Alliance, before dramatically sweeping your personal belongings off your desk. "And now we're losing our livelihoods to robots so that while our families starve, the corporations get even richer! Don't let the capitalist pigs blind you! This practice must be banned!"


2. "Hey, I've got a job to keep up too, you know," says Tobias Clinton, a factory manager. "If I don't think of new ways of keeping costs down, the investors will go elsewhere. It's my neck on the line as much as anyone else's, even if I do have much more money. Besides, it's business, and no-one ought to be able to say who - or what - I can hire."


3. "This could be resolved if instead of replacing workers with machines, we added machines to workers!" enthuses Buy Jong-Il, CEO of Mondas Ltd. "By replacing the body parts with stronger, better, metal prostheses, we can make the best industrial workers - literally - in the world! Imagine a shelver who can shift whole crates with just one arm! One finger! So let's hear no more of this deplorable 'replacing workers with machines' idea and look to the future!"


4. "You can't allow that!" gasps Freddy Dredd, a manual labourer. "If that happens, only the people with cyber limbs will get jobs! And the corporations will contract you into having the surgery if you want to have one! No thank you! We should go back to the grass roots of industry when all the machines weren't computerised and workers were the salt of the earth! Then maybe we'd see a bit more appreciation! And cash!"

I am leaning towards one, but I have to ask: Does #1 hurt the economy seriously?
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Postby Aescentia » Sat May 21, 2011 11:19 am

As NS is slightly biased towards capitalism, and choosing 1 would move you away from capitalism, yes, it would impact the economy pretty badly.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 21, 2011 11:24 am

Aescentia wrote:As NS is slightly biased towards capitalism, and choosing 1 would move you away from capitalism, yes, it would impact the economy pretty badly.

Hardly, it speaks truly; Things that favor workers will often make you lose your economic edge, and things that make them suffer will gain it.

This said, I chose the third option, but that's just me.

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Postby Aescentia » Sat May 21, 2011 11:25 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Aescentia wrote:As NS is slightly biased towards capitalism, and choosing 1 would move you away from capitalism, yes, it would impact the economy pretty badly.

Hardly, it speaks truly; Things that favor workers will often make you lose your economic edge, and things that make them suffer will gain it.

This said, I chose the third option, but that's just me.


No, I agree, favouring workers will lose the economic edge, but I was attempting to explain a tenet of NS issues to Goldsaver.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 21, 2011 11:26 am

Aescentia wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Hardly, it speaks truly; Things that favor workers will often make you lose your economic edge, and things that make them suffer will gain it.

This said, I chose the third option, but that's just me.


No, I agree, favouring workers will lose the economic edge, but I was attempting to explain a tenet of NS issues to Goldsaver.

Yes, I understand what you meant, but I disliked the use of the world "Bias". It seems to be rather fair minded, considering all the pro-economic decisions often make you lose your civil and political rights.

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Postby Khanastan » Sat May 21, 2011 11:30 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Aescentia wrote:
No, I agree, favouring workers will lose the economic edge, but I was attempting to explain a tenet of NS issues to Goldsaver.

Yes, I understand what you meant, but I disliked the use of the world "Bias". It seems to be rather fair minded, considering all the pro-economic decisions often make you lose your civil and political rights.

In my opinion a country must secure it's economy before its civil rights and political freedoms, the latter is the least nessecary of the 3
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Postby Goldsaver » Sat May 21, 2011 11:33 am

I understand it would be bad for my economy, but I would like to know how bad. If it devastates my economy, then I would just dismiss it. If it drops my economy by a few points, then I would go with #1.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 21, 2011 11:37 am

Goldsaver wrote:I understand it would be bad for my economy, but I would like to know how bad. If it devastates my economy, then I would just dismiss it. If it drops my economy by a few points, then I would go with #1.

It won't totally burn your nation down, as it wouldn't with any choice, but it would take a bit of a hit as I recall.

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Postby Goldsaver » Sat May 21, 2011 12:01 pm

Alright, well thanks. I suppose I'll just dismiss it.
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