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[SUBMITTED] Death Drugs In Short Supply, Prison Wardens Say

Postby Nation of Quebec » Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:28 pm

A new issue for nations legalizing capital punishment. This is based on real life issues of states running out of lethal injection drugs and what can be done to solve the issue. Suggestions are welcome for a better title as are your feedback and constructive criticism.

Note that while I strongly disagree with the death penalty, none of these options will have any effect on crime rates. I have written this as a neutral issue that favors neither side.

NAME: Death Drugs In Short Supply, Prison Wardens Say

VALIDITY: Valid for all nations that have legalized capital punishment.

DESCRIPTION: Prisons all across @@NAME@@ are in short supply of Maxium Barrythol, a drug commonly used to execute criminals. A debate spanning all sides of the spectrum has been called to discuss what can be done to solve this growing concern.

[option]"If anything we should be increasing the number of executions per year," comments @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of the Prison Wardens' Union. "My job would be a hell of a lot easier if we treated these criminals they way the deserve to be treated. An old fashioned stoning, hanging, or death by firing squad would not only save some @@CURRENCY@@s on our bloated law and order budget, but would also show that @@NAME@@ is tough on crime. Why worry about treating criminals humanely? These thugs showed no humanity to their victims. Why should we show any to them?"
[effect]@@NAME@@ has allowed for more 'barbaric' execution methods despite outcry from civil rights groups
[stats]civil rights decrease, deaths due to capital punishment increase significantly, funding for law and order decreases slightly, economy increases, corruption increases slightly

[option]"Now let's not go back to the, uh, uh, dark ages," replies @@RANDOMNAME@@, a representative for the pharmaceutical giant Zaius Drug Concern, seen wearing wrinkled lab coat and broken glasses held together with duct tape. "The government can always make some wise investments with the pharmaceutical industry. I'm certain that with enough funding we can create a drug to replace, uh, uh, Maxium Barrythol. Just give us about a year."
[effect]government officials are beginning to wonder if the pharmaceutical companies squandered their investment as they have yet to produce a replacement drug for Maxium Barrythol
[stats]economy decreases, taxes increase slightly, deaths due to capital punishment decrease slightly, apathy increases slightly, corruption increases

[option]"Hold on there a minute! I got a solution that's neither expense or barbaric!" exclaims well known conservative speaker @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Maxium Barrythol originated in Maxtopia, correct? It's a hellhole run by an insane dictator. What I suggest is that we cut off aid to Maxtopia until they give us their excess quantities of Maxium Barrythol. If they don't play ball with us we can always find some other third world nation that will."
[effect]@@NAME@@ has begun cutting off desperately needed aid to Maxtopia and other third world nations in exchange for desperately needed quantities of Maxium Barrythol
[stats]economy increases slightly, deaths due to capital punishment increase slightly, most avoided decreases very slightly

[option]"I believe that a shortage of Maxium Barrythol is a sign that the capital punishment should no longer be practiced in @@NAME@@," comments anti-capital punishment activist and author of the controversial book 'Revenge and Justice Don't Mix', @@RANDOMNAME@@. "It is time for @@NAME@@ to join the rest of the civilized world and abolish the inhumane practice of capital punishment. We cannot claim to be morally superior when we cry for the blood of those who have wronged us. We must take the moral high ground. We must focus on crime prevention and extensive rehabilitation rather than barbaric executions."
[effect]@@NAME@@ has recently abolished the death penalty
[stats]civil rights increase, economy increases slightly, deaths due to capital punishment drop to zero, funding for law and order decreases
Last edited by Nation of Quebec on Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:16 am, edited 4 times in total.
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Postby Panageadom » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:28 am

Nation of Quebec wrote:A new issue for nations legalizing capital punishment. This is based on real life issues of states running out of lethal injection drugs and what can be done to solve the issue. Suggestions are welcome for a better title as are your feedback and constructive criticism.

Note that while I strongly disagree with the death penalty, none of these options will have any effect on crime rates. I have written this as a neutral issue that favors neither side.

NAME: Death Drugs In Short Supply, Prison Wardens Say

VALIDITY: Valid for all nations that have legalized capital punishment.

DESCRIPTION: Prisons all across @@NAME@@ are in short supply of Maxium Barrythol, a drug commonly used to execute criminals. A debate spanning all sides of the spectrum has been called to discuss what can be done to solve this growing concern.

[option]"Why all the fuss about treating criminals humanely?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of the Prison Wardens' Union. "My job would be a hell of a lot easier if we treated these criminals they way the deserve to be treated. An old fashioned stoning, hanging, or death by firing squad would not only make for good television, but would also show that @@NAME@@ is tough on crime. These thugs showed no humanity to their victims. Why should we show any to them?"
[effect]@@NAME@@ has allowed for more 'barbaric' execution methods which some consider to be human rights abuses
[stats]civil rights decrease, deaths due to capital punishment increase, funding for law and order increases slightly (1)

[option]"Now let's not go back to the, uh, uh, dark ages," replies @@RANDOMNAME@@, a representative for the pharmaceutical giant Zaius Drug Concern, seen wearing wrinkled lab coat and broken glasses held together with duct tape. "The government can always make some wise investments with the pharmaceutical industry. I'm certain that with enough funding we can create a drug to replace, uh, uh, Maxium Barrythol. Just give us about a year."
[effect]government officials are beginning to wonder if the pharmaceutical companies squandered their investment as they have yet to see a replacement drug for Maxium Barrythol
[stats]economy decreases, taxes increase slightly, deaths due to capital punishment decrease slightly, apathy increases slightly, corruption increases

[option]"Hold on there a minute! I got a solution that's neither expense or inhumane!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, a free trade activist (2). "Maxium Barrythol originated in Maxtopia, correct? It's a hellhole run by an insane dictator. What I suggest is that we cut off aid to Maxtopia unless they give us their excess quantities of Maxium Barrythol. If they don't play ball with us we can always find some other third world nation that will."
[effect]@@NAME@@ has begun cutting off desperately needed aid to Maxtopia and other third world nations in exchange for desperately needed quantities of Maxium Barrythol
[stats]economy increases slightly, deaths due to capital punishment increase slightly, most avoided decreases slightly (3)

[option]"I believe that a shortage of Maxium Barrythol is a sign that the capital punishment should no longer be practiced in @@NAME@@," comments anti-capital punishment activist and author of the controversial book 'Revenge and Justice Don't Mix', @@RANDOMNAME@@. "It is time for @@NAME@@ to join the rest of the civilized world and abolish the inhumane practice of capital punishment. We cannot claim to be morally superior when we cry for the blood of those who have wronged us. We must take the moral high ground. Besides, think of all the @@CURRENCY@@s we'd save without all these executions clogging up the economy!"
[effect]@@NAME@@ has recently abolished the death penalty
[stats]civil rights increase, economy increases (4) slightly, deaths due to capital punishment drop to zero, funding for law and order decreases


A nice issue. I like it. Stats might need a bit of thinking, though.

1: If you're going to sneak in the "great television" rider, I do think that there should be some mention of it in the effects or stats.

2: This isn't really a free trade position, either, although I like the argument. Keep the new argument, change the monniker.

3: Wouldn't most avoided increase? In most Western countries, it's still seen as cruel to not send aid to poor dictatorships. In either case, I doubt it's a huge effect.

4: "Very" slightly. I don't think this would be a massive effect, especially given no-one cares enough to make sure the drug is always in stock.
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Postby Burgundozavria » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:05 am

Perhaps, "most avoided" is just an opposite of environment, isn't it? "Most avoided" = worst environment?

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Postby Panageadom » Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:26 pm

It's not. Then there wouldn't be two separate indicators.

Environment might factor into avoided, but it's also for things like arbitrary arrest, etc.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:37 pm

Made a few changes. Option one increases the economy slightly. This income comes from the decrease of the cost of executions and the revenues cities can get for broadcasting them on live television.
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Postby Panageadom » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:17 am

This seems pretty much ready to go, no?
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:46 pm

@Panageadom. I think barring any further criticisms or suggestions, this one is ready for submission.
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Postby West Podunk » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:46 am

Drugs not required nor wanted. Hanging, etc. works fine AND should be cheaper than drugs. Pls re-work the option so that it reduces the cost of capital punishment, increases the frequency, reduces prison costs through speedier executions, and eventually causes the spawn of a new issue related to the judicial killings of innocent convicts due to biased judges and juries [in nations that have juries].
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Postby Unibot II » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:47 am

Four is too clearly the option to take. Add something to four, something about being 'soft on crime' like the people on death row should be sent free because of the pain and depression they've had to ensure on Death Row.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:57 pm

Finally able to reply to this again. Easter weekend, and all.

I've taken both of your suggestions into consideration and reworked those options slightly. Option four now mentions more about rehabilitation and option one now has corruption increasing due to more innocent people being executed than before.
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Postby Panageadom » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:25 am

Is that really corruption? Surely it's just...um...ho. Need a think about this, but I imagine corruption has to be intentional.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:16 pm

I'm assuming that increasing numbers of innocent people ending up executed is a way to increase corruption. In any case, I think this issue has addressed all concerns and I will be submitting it shortly.
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