[DRAFT] Students Putting the AI in EducAtIon

[The Eltran]

[Validity]
Does not ban computers.

[Summary]
Reports of students turning in assignments written by new AI technology, instead of doing their own work, have @@NAME@@'s schools in an uproar.

[Option 1]
@@RANDOMNAME@@, a venerable school principal with 63 years of experience in education, has a simple solution: "When I was growing up, we walked to school, ate lunch from a brown paper bag, and did our assignments with paper and pencil. If it was good enough for us, it's good enough for anyone. Mandate that all school assignments must be handwritten, as part of the national curriculum standards. That should clear this problem right up.

[Fallout 1]
Students in @@NAME@@'s shop classes are forced to literally re-invent the wheel as all technology has been removed from the classroom.

[Option 2]
Your minister of education disagrees.  "Obviously something must be done, but we can't just send our schools back in time 100 years!  Students who graduate without knowing how to use the latest software won't be competitive in the modern world.  Removing all technology from schools will slow down the pace of learning. And that would be terrible for my caree--for the students.  Instead, we should massively increase our budget for educational technology and teacher training and raise our academic and technological standards even higher!  Teachers just need to learn to recognize the telltale signs of AI-written assignments. Schools can even teach lessons on the real-life applications of AI!

[Fallout 2]
Teachers in @@NAME@@ complain that it giga-hurts as they struggle to keep up with the bots that write their students' assignments.

[Option 3]
"If the question is how to make @@NAME@@ more competitive," says controversial former press secretary and current state governor Farrah Hickbaby, "then the answer is to waste less money on education and focus more on work!  There are a lot of jobs in @@NAME@@ that pay a somewhat-livable wage and don't required anywhere near a decade-plus of book-learning.  Give the working class the freedom to contribute to society and to their families at a younger age.  Maximize their productive years.

[Option 3 policy: child labor]

[Fallout 3]
@@NAME@@'s grades are falling while child labor is on the rise.

[Option 4]
Celebrity tech CEO Oblong Tusk has an innovative solution.  "You've got to fight fire with flamethrower here!  Just one mouse-click and my brand-new proprietary AI, SAL 9000, can detect assignments written by any of those other, lesser AIs.  In fact, if you want, SAL 9000 can grade the assignments, too. And probably teach the lessons."  Tusk pulls your minister of education into a brief huddle, and despite speaking hushed tones, you overhear him say "Yes, it's technically still in the testing phase."  And then  "No, of course not for free."

[Fallout 4]
Young hackers are perpetually disappointed as their ideas for pranks are preempted by a malicious AI running rampant on @@NAME@@'s school computer networks.


(I've also written an alternate version of Option 4:)
(Celebrity tech CEO Oblong Tusk has an innovative solution.  "You've got to fight fire with flamethrower here!  Just one mouse-click and my brand-new proprietary AI, SAL 9000, can detect assignments written by any of those other, lesser AIs.  In fact, if you want, SAL 9000 can grade the assignments, too. And probably teach the lessons.  Now technically, it's still in the testing phase, but that just means you're getting in on the ground floor with a bleeding-edge technology. And of course, it won't be cheap...")

[Validity]
Has technology, no gerontocide

[Summary]
Reports of students turning in assignments written by new AI technology, instead of doing their own work, have @@NAME@@'s schools in an uproar.

[Option 1]
Victoria @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@, an octogenarian school principal with 63 years of experience in education, has a simple solution: "When I was growing up, we walked to school, ate lunch from a brown paper bag, and did our assignments with paper and pencil. If it was good enough for us, it's good enough for anyone. Mandate that all school assignments must be handwritten, as part of the national curriculum standards. If students are using technology to cheat, we just remove all technology from the classrooms. That should clear this problem right up.

[Fallout 1]
students in @@NAME@@'s shop classes are forced to literally re-invent the wheel

[Option 2]
Your minister of education disagrees.  "Obviously something must be done, but we can't just send our schools back in time 100 years!  Students who graduate without knowing how to use the latest software won't be competitive in the modern world.  Removing all technology from schools will slow down the pace of learning. And that would be terrible for my caree--for the students.  Instead, we should massively increase our budget for educational technology and teacher training and raise our academic and technological standards even higher!  Teachers just need to learn to recognize the telltale signs of AI-written assignments. Schools can even teach lessons on the real-life applications of AI!

[Fallout 2]
teachers in @@NAME@@ complain that it giga-hurts as they struggle to keep up with the bots that write their students' assignments

[Option 3]
"If the question is how to make @@NAME@@ more competitive," says controversial former press secretary and current state governor Farrah Hickbaby, "then the answer is to waste less money on education and focus more on work!  There are a lot of jobs in @@NAME@@ that pay a somewhat-livable wage and don't required anywhere near a decade-plus of book-learning.  Give the working class the freedom to contribute to society and to their families at a younger age.  Maximize their productive years.

[Option 3 policy: child labor]

[Fallout 3]
@@NAME@@'s grades are falling while child labor is on the rise

[Option 4]
International celebrity tech CEO Oblong Tusk has an innovative solution.  "You've got to fight fire with flamethrower here!  Just one mouse-click and my brand-new proprietary AI, SAL 9000, can detect assignments written by any of those other, lesser AIs.  In fact, if you want, SAL 9000 can grade the assignments, too. And probably teach the lessons."  Tusk pulls your minister of education into a brief huddle, and despite speaking hushed tones, you overhear him say "Yes, it's technically still in the testing phase."  And then  "No, of course not for free."

[Fallout 4]
young hackers are perpetually disappointed as their ideas for pranks are preempted by a malicious AI running rampant on @@NAME@@'s school computer networks

[Option 5]
@@RANDOMNAME@@, the president of the Violetist Intionational Labor Exponents, steps forward.  "Only Violet can create intelligence!  AI is taking @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ jobs!  Ban AI now, for the good of @@NAME@@'s labor force, and your eternal soul!

[Option 5 policy: No AI]

[Fallout 5]
@@LEADER@@ has banned all AIs for the good of @@NAME@@'s labor force and/or their eternal souls


(I've also written an alternate version of Option 4:)
(International celebrity tech CEO Oblong Tusk has an innovative solution.  "You've got to fight fire with flamethrower here!  Just one mouse-click and my brand-new proprietary AI, SAL 9000, can detect assignments written by any of those other, lesser AIs.  In fact, if you want, SAL 9000 can grade the assignments, too. And probably teach the lessons.  Now technically, it's still in the testing phase, but that just means you're getting in on the ground floor with a bleeding-edge technology. And of course, it won't be cheap...")

[Bendicion]

Hmm. Why not just ban the use of AI altogether? Not technology such as computers specifically, just AI that helps making assignments.

[Ostrovskiy]

For effect 1: no need to explain that the technology has been removed, it's both shorter and funnier without it.

[The Eltran]

Hmm. Why not just ban the use of AI altogether? Not technology such as computers specifically, just AI that helps making assignments.

Honestly? Didn't think of it. My focus was just on the education part because that's what I'm interested in personally. But now that you thought of it for me...

If you mean banning AI from schools, then I don't think it's worth introducing another character just to give the least-funny (ie most reasonable) answer.

If you mean banning AI from the country...should I go with a violetist fanatic or a paranoid union leader?

[The Eltran]

For effect 1: no need to explain that the technology has been removed, it's both shorter and funnier without it.

Thanks! I'll definitely think about changing that in the next draft

[Bendicion]

If you mean banning AI from schools, then I don't think it's worth introducing another character just to give the least-funny (ie most reasonable) answer.

If you mean banning AI from the country...should I go with a violetist fanatic or a paranoid union leader?

I mean, its up to you whoever offers the option. It doesnt really matter as long as you know how to make a nice option out of it.

[Tinhampton]

Not Elon Musk is a capitalist. I find it unlikely he would cheerlead for SAL9000, a known proponent of planned economies, of all AIs. (See Issue #472 "Rise Of The Machines".)

@@RANDOMNAME@@, a venerable school principal with 63 years of experience in education...

You could at least have called this person Victoria @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@.

[Lomacrato]

[Validity]
Does not ban computers.

[Summary]
Reports of students turning in assignments written by new AI technology, instead of doing their own work, have @@NAME@@'s schools in an uproar.

[Option 1]
@@RANDOMNAME@@, a venerable school principal with 63 years of experience in education, has a simple solution: "When I was growing up, we walked to school, ate lunch from a brown paper bag, and did our assignments with paper and pencil. If it was good enough for us, it's good enough for anyone. Mandate that all school assignments must be handwritten, as part of the national curriculum standards. That should clear this problem right up.

[Fallout 1]
Students in @@NAME@@'s shop classes are forced to literally re-invent the wheel as all technology has been removed from the classroom.

[Option 2]
Your minister of education disagrees.  "Obviously something must be done, but we can't just send our schools back in time 100 years!  Students who graduate without knowing how to use the latest software won't be competitive in the modern world.  Removing all technology from schools will slow down the pace of learning. And that would be terrible for my caree--for the students.  Instead, we should massively increase our budget for educational technology and teacher training and raise our academic and technological standards even higher!  Teachers just need to learn to recognize the telltale signs of AI-written assignments. Schools can even teach lessons on the real-life applications of AI!

[Fallout 2]
Teachers in @@NAME@@ complain that it giga-hurts as they struggle to keep up with the bots that write their students' assignments.

[Option 3]
"If the question is how to make @@NAME@@ more competitive," says controversial former press secretary and current state governor Farrah Hickbaby, "then the answer is to waste less money on education and focus more on work!  There are a lot of jobs in @@NAME@@ that pay a somewhat-livable wage and don't required anywhere near a decade-plus of book-learning.  Give the working class the freedom to contribute to society and to their families at a younger age.  Maximize their productive years.

[Option 3 policy: child labor]

[Fallout 3]
@@NAME@@'s grades are falling while child labor is on the rise.

[Option 4]
Celebrity tech CEO Oblong Tusk has an innovative solution.  "You've got to fight fire with flamethrower here!  Just one mouse-click and my brand-new proprietary AI, SAL 9000, can detect assignments written by any of those other, lesser AIs.  In fact, if you want, SAL 9000 can grade the assignments, too. And probably teach the lessons."  Tusk pulls your minister of education into a brief huddle, and despite speaking hushed tones, you overhear him say "Yes, it's technically still in the testing phase."  And then  "No, of course not for free."

[Fallout 4]
Young hackers are perpetually disappointed as their ideas for pranks are preempted by a malicious AI running rampant on @@NAME@@'s school computer networks.


(I've also written an alternate version of Option 4:)
(Celebrity tech CEO Oblong Tusk has an innovative solution.  "You've got to fight fire with flamethrower here!  Just one mouse-click and my brand-new proprietary AI, SAL 9000, can detect assignments written by any of those other, lesser AIs.  In fact, if you want, SAL 9000 can grade the assignments, too. And probably teach the lessons.  Now technically, it's still in the testing phase, but that just means you're getting in on the ground floor with a bleeding-edge technology. And of course, it won't be cheap...")

The validity should apply to phones as well. If a nation ban computers, can't the citizens just use phones

[The Eltran]

Not Elon Musk is a capitalist. I find it unlikely he would cheerlead for SAL9000, a known proponent of planned economies, of all AIs. (See Issue #472 "Rise Of The Machines".)

He might go for it if the AI that he owned was the one planning the economy. RL Elon Musk's takes on the economy have been kind of all over the map. At one point, he was predicting a post-labor UBI economy, which I assume would be planned by AIs.

Anyway, I want SAL 9000 here because that's The Iconic NationStates AI that has its own name. I can't really call all other AIs inferior to mine unless mine is SAL.

You could at least have called this person Victoria @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@.

Like from South Park? Yeah, I could change that.

[The Eltran]

The validity should apply to phones as well. If a nation ban computers, can't the citizens just use phones

Good point

[The Eltran]

[I mean, its up to you whoever offers the option. It doesnt really matter as long as you know how to make a nice option out of it.

Well, I know how to write a violetist. It would take me longer to figure out a voice for a funny union organizer. But is "violetist who wants to ban things" too much of a trope?

[Australian rePublic]

Effect for option 1- wait what? What's writing in pen and paper have to do with reinventing the wheel?

Also, option1 does not prevent AI from writing assignments. All is make it harder for anyone to know if someone has copied an AI's work

[The Eltran]

Effect for option 1- wait what? What's writing in pen and paper have to do with reinventing the wheel?

"as all technology has been removed from the classroom."

Basically I took the result to the extreme. I could add a sentence to the principal's speech to better reflect that. That dovetails nicely with Ostrovskiy's suggestion: take the clause out of the result and place it in the option

Also, option1 does not prevent AI from writing assignments. All is make it harder for anyone to know if someone has copied an AI's work

The character who proposed Option 1 is well over 80. It is the level of idea I would expect for an 80+ year old to give as a solution to AI. Handwritten assignments are also an idea that schools have actually used to combat AI cheating, and it does at least make cheating less appealing by increasing the effort required to cheat. It's not a perfect solution.

It's also, by the laws of NS issue writing, not supposed to be a perfect solution.

[Australian rePublic]

Effect for option 1- wait what? What's writing in pen and paper have to do with reinventing the wheel?

"as all technology has been removed from the classroom."

Basically I took the result to the extreme. I could add a sentence to the principal's speech to better reflect that. That dovetails nicely with Ostrovskiy's suggestion: take the clause out of the result and place it in the option

That's not what "literally" means. If you say that someone's going to literally reinvent the wheel, it means that they will sit down and re-engineer a brand new wheel which is different from the current wheel. It has nothing to do with pen and paper

Also, option1 does not prevent AI from writing assignments. All is make it harder for anyone to know if someone has copied an AI's work

The character who proposed Option 1 is well over 80. It is the level of idea I would expect for an 80+ year old to give as a solution to AI. Handwritten assignments are also an idea that schools have actually used to combat AI cheating, and it does at least make cheating less appealing by increasing the effort required to cheat. It's not a perfect solution.

It's also, by the laws of NS issue writing, not supposed to be a perfect solution.

Make this clearer

[The Free Joy State]

Technically, option one doesn't prevent the use of AI. It just means that all AI-produced work would have to be handwritten afterwards. May I suggest you make it a more definite "get computers out of education" option? I know that's implied, but it would be clearer that there's no AI to copy from if you added something for the crabby old teacher, "When I was growing up, we didn't need any technologies. We walked to school, ate lunch from..."

For that matter, a teacher who must be at least 85 would necessitate that you don't kill the elderly, so I'd add "no geronticide" to the validity.

I'm not sure I see the relevance of the "children at work" option to an issue about AI. It seems really tangential, and like you're throwing everything at the pot. The issue may be stronger as a lean three-option issue.

If your alternate option is for socialist nations, Tusk wouldn't be a CEO. Perhaps describe him as "famous tech nerd" or "controversial tech developer", if that's the case?

EDIT: For that matter, your title seems the wrong way 'round. Most of this issue is about preventing the use of AI in education. So perhaps 'Keep AI Out of TrAIning' would be more apt, or even something pithier like 'Artificial Unintelligence'

[Australian rePublic]

Technically, option one doesn't prevent the use of AI. It just means that all AI-produced work would have to be handwritten afterwards.

Hey, that's what I said. Great minds think alike. Or in this case, a complete dunb shit (me) figured out something that someone who's actually intelligent (you) also figured out

[Stalin as a girl]

This is very good! Good to see more technology based issues here!

[The Eltran]

This is very good! Good to see more technology based issues here!

That's very kind Thank you!


This issue is not abandoned, I was just busy with other things. I've now updated it with a second draft!

If you mean banning AI from schools, then I don't think it's worth introducing another character just to give the least-funny (ie most reasonable) answer.

If you mean banning AI from the country...should I go with a violetist fanatic or a paranoid union leader?

I mean, its up to you whoever offers the option. It doesnt really matter as long as you know how to make a nice option out of it.

I split the difference: Violetist fanatic labor leader!

The character who proposed Option 1 is well over 80. It is the level of idea I would expect for an 80+ year old to give as a solution to AI. Handwritten assignments are also an idea that schools have actually used to combat AI cheating, and it does at least make cheating less appealing by increasing the effort required to cheat. It's not a perfect solution.

It's also, by the laws of NS issue writing, not supposed to be a perfect solution.

Make this clearer

Principal is now directly stated to be over 80 years old

Technically, option one doesn't prevent the use of AI. It just means that all AI-produced work would have to be handwritten afterwards. May I suggest you make it a more definite "get computers out of education" option? I know that's implied, but it would be clearer that there's no AI to copy from if you added something for the crabby old teacher, "When I was growing up, we didn't need any technologies. We walked to school, ate lunch from..."

For that matter, a teacher who must be at least 85 would necessitate that you don't kill the elderly, so I'd add "no geronticide" to the validity.

Done and done.

I'm not sure I see the relevance of the "children at work" option to an issue about AI. It seems really tangential, and like you're throwing everything at the pot. The issue may be stronger as a lean three-option issue.

I like the character. Plus, it seems like an issue about education ought to have at least one anti-education option

If your alternate option is for socialist nations, Tusk wouldn't be a CEO. Perhaps describe him as "famous tech nerd" or "controversial tech developer", if that's the case?

Now he's "international."

EDIT: For that matter, your title seems the wrong way 'round. Most of this issue is about preventing the use of AI in education. So perhaps 'Keep AI Out of TrAIning' would be more apt, or even something pithier like 'Artificial Unintelligence'

Title changed. I kept the original phrase intact (I just like it better), but now it better reflects the issue at issue.

[Australian rePublic]

Put aside that we still have the literarly issue- option 1 effect- what's a shop class? Why are you reimengineering wheels when lewrning about retail?

[The Eltran]

Put aside that we still have the literarly issue- option 1 effect- what's a shop class? Why are you reimengineering wheels when lewrning about retail?

https://qr.ae/pK4EWg

Now do you get it?

[Urine Town]

I love all of your options except for Option 5. While I understand a canonical Violetist would probably be against AI, the option just looks noticeably shorter and put together last minute. The speaker also doesn’t actually cover anything school related; the issue’s original premise

[Australian rePublic]

Put aside that we still have the literarly issue- option 1 effect- what's a shop class? Why are you reimengineering wheels when lewrning about retail?

https://qr.ae/pK4EWg

Now do you get it?

1. Don't explain to me, explain in issue
2. That seems to be USA centric terminology. Anyone from outside the USA would assume you're referring to retail, an actual subject which exists in some places at least in vocational training, but it wouldn't be a stretch to have it in high school. In Australia, we call what you described design and technology (though DT is significantly less advanced). Something along the lines of design/technology class would be much better.

I still don't get why we're literally reinventing wheels.

[Australian rePublic]

What I am seeing right now with the effect line for option 1 is that in order to avoid using AI to write assignments, students are re-engineering wheels in retail class. None of that makes any sense

[Harumasuke]

I would recommend changing “shop class” to “woodworking class”

[Verdant Haven]

- In several of the dialogue tags, we are given a bare summary of what people are doing... "Soandso has a solution," "Soandso disagrees," etc. Rather than giving us dry summaries of action, tell us *how* they are doing things, or provide information about *who* they are. Make the characters interesting! Their dialogue itself takes care of informing us that they are proposing a solution, or that they are disagreeing.

Option 3: We shouldn't necessarily assume state governorships are a thing unless we at least bring in devolution or the like – the Huckabee reference is clear enough for those who know it without that tidbit. The argument is fine, but I would like to see a hair more added to tie it to the dilemma presented: AI in schools. "No schooling, not AI problem" – that sort of thing – just to acknowledge what is at the core of the debate.

- No need to suggest policy or stat effects for options. Write the options such that the desired outcomes are clear.

- Effect line 4 is a bit too long (as is effect line 2 for that matter). Is there a way to get the general idea with about half the words?

- Option 5 will need both religion and Violetism validities. Is this the only position that would want to prohibit the development of AI?