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Candlewhisper Archive
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:17 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:I got a new option for #514, listed as option 4:
4. “For this debtor’s life, let justice itself stand accused!” interjects @@RANDOMNAME@@, famed pedant and interfering busybody. “There is a law mandating measurements made metric, correct? Thus we must conclude, a ‘pound of flesh’ means nothing to the law, and the contract is void. Let precedent be set — without a metric of measure, a promise cannot bind!”

I thought it was due to the nation receiving this was Vegetarian (cutting flesh there, but still... don't need to eat it as well), but it appears to be rather due to "Metricism" as validity.


:hug:

94 days since I added that little hidden feature. So glad it's been reported at last!

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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:31 pm

I've known about that effect line for some time, of course, but I had no inkling it was on that issue. Makes sense in hindsight, but I'd never have come up with it on my own.

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Postby Verdant Haven » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:57 pm

I just received issue #1307 - "A Duty to Serve"

1307 - A Duty to Serve

The Issue

Community service programs are becoming increasingly popular in private schools across Verdant Haven. Now, parents have proposed implementing a similar program in state-funded high schools and middle schools, where students must complete ten hours of community service per year to graduate.


The Debate

1. “My son sits around on his butt all day. I think it would be good for him to get out and help the community,” says Marlon Starkey, bustling into your office while the teenage boy trudging behind him rolls his eyes. “Not only will it help people in need, it will also give the students a chance to be a part of their community and a proud citizen of Verdant Haven.”

2. “Hey, man, we don’t have time to do community service when we spend the whole day on schoolwork and studying,” his son tells you. “Chill out with the long school days and maybe we’ll have more time to contribute to the community on our own.”

3. Your cousin, who just stopped by to bring you cookies, pipes in. “I think community service programs are a great idea. Ten hours a year isn’t that much time, but it can change a lot if enough people are doing it. There’s no reason to limit it to students — just think of what we could do for the country if every able-bodied adult had to pitch in too!”

4. “Are you kidding me!” Sigourney Brown, CEO of NAT-U-RAL Co., shouts from the window of her limousine. “I don’t have time to go out and pick up trash. I’m doing the world a service by supplying the world with abundant amounts of natural gas! Surely that counts as community service. In fact, these kids could ‘volunteer’ at my plant — if you don’t mind, of course.” She slowly rolls her window up before driving off.


The issue is by the already-CTE'd Conexia
It is edited by USS Monitor
The options received are options 0-3

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Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
TalAkMaChen wrote:I got a new option for #514, listed as option 4:
4. “For this debtor’s life, let justice itself stand accused!” interjects @@RANDOMNAME@@, famed pedant and interfering busybody. “There is a law mandating measurements made metric, correct? Thus we must conclude, a ‘pound of flesh’ means nothing to the law, and the contract is void. Let precedent be set — without a metric of measure, a promise cannot bind!”

I thought it was due to the nation receiving this was Vegetarian (cutting flesh there, but still... don't need to eat it as well), but it appears to be rather due to "Metricism" as validity.


:hug:

94 days since I added that little hidden feature. So glad it's been reported at last!



Just got this one myself - earlier today, I think! I was wondering why I didn't recall seeing that option previously, given that I've been metric for a very long time and have seen the issue before - didn't occur to me it was newly added. Very nice :-D
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:05 pm

Kinda sad that Conexia CTE'd before he got to see it added.
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Postby TalAkMaChen » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:20 am

Another list of changes/missing things I noticed.

  • 131,1+2 changed
    1.“We must be permitted our inherent right to defend our honour through feats of arms!” exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, a bewigged aristocrat sporting a particularly flamboyant swept-hilt rapier. “The right to duel is one found throughout history for the honourable settling of disputes and I must insist that my right to fight be recognised! The world would be so much better if we were permitted to sort out conflicts of interest through trial by combat.”

    2. “Swords? Heavens, what dreadful things. All sharp and pointy - quite dangerous, you know,” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an ardent pacifist. “Duelling ought to be banned! The best way to settle these kind of arguments are through judicially-supervised mediation, we all know that. If we go ahead with what these duelling nutters want, then innocent people will die! It will be a sad day when people value money more than justice. Apart from lawyers, obviously.”
  • 165,issue: " article in Salutations!" in italics
  • 179, reported are options 1+2+4+5 (cf. an old report here)
    No clue about 179,3 so far or if it's a duplicate of option 2 or 4.
  • 200.2 -- validities: 1: contraception is legal, 2: is not legal
    2. “We need comprehensive sex education to be mandatory in all schools,” says teacher @@RANDOMNAME@@, while tidying away some diagrams that make your eyes water. “The plain fact is that teenagers will experiment with sexual intercourse despite what society or their parents wish. So I say we relegalise contraception, and give it to these kids for free. We must make them fully aware of the consequences of their actions. Information is what they need, not condemnation. If they ignore it then hey, it’s their own damn fault.”
  • 438, issue "The @@TYPE@@" (capital T)
  • 549,3 has a validity check I could not figure out
  • 612,1 "little @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ McFluff" in italics (also not gender-bound? I had a "Samus", sounds rather male than female to me)
  • 726,1 " t-shirt with @@HIS@@ entire resume"
    726,2 "@@HIS@@ voice"
    726,3+4 validity?? Both were hidden at War Dogs XXV so besides Immigration there must be another check (low sci-advance? low intelligence? W25 has above world average in both)
  • 840,3 "endometrium, oestrogen, epidermis" and "on the Comedy Network." both in italics
    840,4 "The idea of my itty-bitty @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@"
  • 872,issue "obvious when the Society of Internationalist Liberal Localist Yuppies came within" and
    872,2 "copy of her book, Jessica in Government." in italics
  • 936,4 "with a huge trade deal. If Blackacre" both italics
  • 1033,2 is random gender so also "@@HIS@@ fingertips"
  • 1075, reported are options 1,2,4,5 while option 3 appears to be a variant of the second (for nations with No Immigration) -- missing the text currently
  • 1140,issue funny one! You reported it yourself and didn't notice that your "any of the states or regions" is the @@CAPITAL@@ macro :)
  • 1177,2 name is fixed, Joe Splatter
  • 1192, issue "schoolchild @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@" and "@@RANDOMFIRSTNAME_1@@ Rulez 4eva"
    1192,1 General @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@
    1192,2 @@RANDOMNAME@@
    1192,3 @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@
  • 1233 issue + 3: "Joshi McFly" is @@RANDOMNAME_1@@, in option 2 thus @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@ (likely male only, else also "@@HIS@@ finger" and "@@HE@@ exits")
  • 1219 validity: 2: Theocracy (or high religiousness at least?) while option 3 is for the others
    2. “This is what happens when you try to play God,” professes @@RANDOMNAME@@, Senior Underpope of Liturgical Purity and Inquisitions. “As it is written, you reap what you sow. These vats are vulgar abominations that undermine the sanctity of life and should be abolished! People are perfectly capable of producing children in the manner that our Creator intended. As for the existing vat-born hordes, I’m sure a little more welfare will calm the poor, misbegotten creatures down.”
  • 1235,1+2 @@RANDOMNAME@@
  • 1239,3 "Of course @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME_1@@"
  • 1246,2 validity: hunting (@@ANIMAL@@) is legal (cf. e.g. 169,1 or 79,1)
    1246,3 @@RANDOMNAME@@
    1246,4 Urbosa @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@
  • 1248,issue "former states@@MAN@@ of @@NAME@@. Unfortunately, due to @@HIS@@ long"
    1248,1 "@@RANDOMNAME_1@@, the states@@MAN@@" ... @@HIS@@ concerns .. whom @@HE@@ ... @@HE@@ winks
    1248,2 As @@HE@@ leaves, the aide @@HE@@ was ... people like @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@
    Since that stateswoman can also be a statesman, it seems all random there, sorry.
  • 1272,4 "@@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@ was offering"
  • 1307, names and gender are random (I had both a mother and a father and a boy, but it could also be a @@BOY@@, will check -- the draft has some fixed genders that were "edited away")
  • 1309,3 has validity: Not for Vegetarian


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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:53 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:726,3+4 validity?? Both were hidden at War Dogs XXV so besides Immigration there must be another check (low sci-advance? low intelligence? W25 has above world average in both)
My data says it's "must not have Socialism or Autarky", but that doesn't apply since War Dogs XXV has neither.

Besides, it would make more sense for the entire issue rather than just these options to not be valid for socialist nations, and my data does suggest this is likely, just obscured by rare cases of people banking the issue and answering it after they stopped qualifying for it.

Autarky doesn't seem to affect the issue at large, though, so that might be a legitimate option validity even if it's not what you were looking for.

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:44 pm

Behold! Another nudist-only issue :)

#1304: Nothing to See [Sedgistan; ed: Candlewhisper Archive]

The Issue
Society was shocked this morning as scandalous pictures of young actress Violette Wiggum, fully clothed, were leaked to the press.

The Debate
1. “Young women these days are under such pressure,” sighs casting agent Randy Dredd. “They’ll do anything for the attention. Her reputation as a wholesome young @@DEMONYM@@ lies in tatters; I don’t think we need to bring the weight of the law to bear. If Violette lies low for a while — say, four or five years — her youthful indiscretions will be forgotten, I’m sure. Then, perhaps she can resume her once-promising career.”

2. “What young Miss Violette gets up to in the privacy of her own house is her business, and hers alone,” says Whoopi Lewis, quirking an eyebrow at a particularly risqué shot featuring a chunky-knit cardigan and baggy dungarees. “Do the young lass a favour, and stop these pictures from reaching the public eye. I’ll, er... deal with these ones.”

3. “Shame!” cries stony-faced priestess Una Sparrow, ringing an oversized bell in your face. “This sinner’s shame must be exposed for all to see. Parade her through @@CAPITAL@@ clothed only in her wickedness, for only then can she earn repentance. SHAME!”

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Postby Jutsa » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:33 pm

:rofl:
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Postby TalAkMaChen » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:04 am

A little sad one, this new issue.

#1308: One in the Oven [Maverique; ed: Candlewhisper Archive]

The Issue

The death of three young children, who succumbed to sun stroke after being forgotten in the back seats of a poorly-ventilated vehicle, has sparked heated debate.

The Debate

1. “These parents deserve the death penalty for their negligence,” spits Charlotte Sestero, childless author of the book Perfect Parenting. “Three children died, and someone has to pay! What’s more, there should be a licence examination that people take before they’re allowed to have kids. Some people are too ignorant to be allowed to breed!”

2. “There should be consequences, but also support,” wheezes Han Barrow, Minister of State Nannying, looking close to having a heat stroke @@HIM@@self, as @@HIS@@ prodigious bulk sweats in the heat. “I suggest community service, plus bereavement counseling, and a nationwide program of heat safety promotion.”

3. “According to our studies, most of these tragedies are caused by parents who are overworked and exhausted,” says your Officer of Safety Statistics, while staring at a photo of @@HER@@ child before nodding out for a moment and waking up with a jolt. “The government should pay for childcare support, and additional paid leave for parents of school-aged children.”

[4.] “Have I got a free-market solution for you?” rhetorically questions Marjorie Gorbachev, the CEO of Clinton Motor Company. ‘’With a few government subsidies, all new vehicles could come standard with the latest safety features to alert customers when they’ve left their little rugrats behind, deliver dashboard safety tips and maybe even open the window automatically. What could go wrong?’‘


Note italics for the book title. :) Names appear random to me, but well. The draft had them random, too.

Edit: Option 4 not seen at Socialist nations, but also no Socialist alternative option of some sort :(
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:27 am

Woo! Good... and, indeed, sad issue.

Congratulations to Maverique. :)
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Postby Rly8h » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:53 am

I found one?





1 SANITY
The Necropolis Chronicle

VOL. 32 NO. 1,262CITY FINAL
TUESDAY JANUARY 21, 2020
Dead Tasty


The Issue
Every year, several deaths are reported in the country due to the eating of the highly poisonous, yet savoured, pufferfish.

The Debate
“It’s straight up suicide!” proclaims Wesley Herrelko, while puffing his cheeks out in exasperation. “This deadly dish claimed the life of one of my close friends, and kills diners every month! This culinary death-trap must be banned!”

Accept

“Eating this fish has been our tradition, passed down by our... grandfathers maybe...” says renowned chef Bruce Kuraoka, as he puts a pufferfish on your desk to demonstrate how easily prepared it is. “It all depends on how skilled you are. See: poison... poison... poison... tasty fish! All you need to do is to make sure all chefs go on training courses and are licensed to serve this sensory experience.”

Accept

“What’s all this commotion about? A few deaths caused by a petty fish?” questions restaurateur Nobuyoshi Wagner, who has just returned from a culinary trip to Dàguó. “There are so many scrumptious dishes out there, but most Old Ones are just too jittery to give them a go. There’s live octopus, blood clams and ackee: let’s put Older restaurants on everyone’s ‘must experience before you die’ list!”

Accept

Dismiss This Issue

Issue by Ostanasia

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:10 am

Not new. We're at #1308 now, this is #1262.


Also, I was wondering if #158 checks for digital currency. Option 2 has somebody stealing one @@currency@@ from @@leader@@ which only makes sense when there is printed/minted money in the nation :roll:
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:51 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:Not new. We're at #1308 now, this is #1262.


Also, I was wondering if #158 checks for digital currency. Option 2 has somebody stealing one @@currency@@ from @@leader@@ which only makes sense when there is printed/minted money in the nation :roll:


It doesn't check it, good point. I'll make an amendment.

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Postby Rly8h » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:44 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:Not new. We're at #1308 now, this is #1262.


Also, I was wondering if #158 checks for digital currency. Option 2 has somebody stealing one @@currency@@ from @@leader@@ which only makes sense when there is printed/minted money in the nation :roll:

I didn't know if you had found this one's info, though, as it's not on NSIndex. Is that maintained separately? Sorry, I'm quite the noob.

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:56 am

The NSIndex is a separate site. Here we collect all the issue texts and they are linked on the first page where Jutsa updates the list every now and then.

Apparently, NSIndex only updates on longer time scales, i.e.
Last updated: 7 October 2019, at 02:52.
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:54 pm

If you really care about NSindex updating faster, you can create an account and edit it yourself.

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Postby Jutsa » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:55 pm

Possibly. I try to contribute there but atm I have no idea if it's still closed to edits or not.
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:22 am

#1309 Give @@A@@ @@ANIMAL@@ a Bone

The Issue

As you stoop to pin a Violet Heart on the chest of a wheelchair-bound war veteran, he tugs the leash of his ex-army attack @@ANIMAL@@, and demands your attention.

The Debate

1. "It's about time we recognised the sacrifice animals have made for @@NAME@@," he grumbles. "Why, Lassie here took out six insurgents by herself, disarmed a nuclear device, and entertained the troops with cartwheels and backflips. She deserves a medal and medical care as much as any of us!"

2. "How interesting..." muses recruiting sergeant Max Glover while examining the set of gnashers on Lassie. "If one @@ANIMAL@@ can do all that, imagine what an army full of them could achieve? And no more injured soldiers to bother the press — as the saying goes, don't look a gift @@ANIMAL@@ in the mouth. Rather than waste money on old war-dogs that are too aged to fight, we should be funding more front line fighters. That can go for the humans too." He sneers disdainfully at the veteran in the wheelchair.

3. "Haven't you seen Dawn of the Rise of the Planet of the @@ANIMALPLURAL@@?" cautions a sceptical aide, prodding the hindquarters of Lassie. "I don't think we want an army full of @@ANIMALPLURAL@@, but there's certainly food for thought here. Let them serve alongside soldiers, and when they've done their duty, they can serve us on one final occasion: dinner time!"

4. "@@ANIMALPLURAL@@ do enough for us already; they shouldn't be in our military," pleads Timmy Moneypenny from the accompanying media pack. "Can't we leave them in peace to do as nature intended? Rescuing children from abandoned mineshafts, throwing ropes to children on runaway rafts rapidly approaching waterfalls, and fronting up popular TV franchises. That sort of thing."

Issue by Sedgistan
Edited by Candlewhisper Archive
Names look suspicious, probably not random.

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:40 am

Aww... and I'm missing the italics for the movie titles, CWA :(
This one will be funny with my War Dog nations, speaking of the "old war-dogs" in option 2 :lol:

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Postby The Sapmi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:52 am

I've had an issue chain idea, involving the assassination of a high-ranking political figure. Would that be a good idea? I hope it is.
News for February 2088:
International News: Total Human population on Mars exceeds 25,000. | Debate on Chinese sanctions held off as global economy threatens major recession | World Cup 2088 starts in Perth, Australia

Local News: Vote on Dutch language is passed by 56 seats to 38 (with 6 abstaining); Dutch made an official language | Leader of the Opposition, Erik Nillson calls for a snap election after approval rates for President drops below 40%


The Rundown: The Saami Commonwealth is a nation located in Northern Scandinavia that declared independence in 2052. Factbooks are factual, most NationStates statistics are not

Accidentaly banned gambling and legalised corporal punishment.

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:19 am

The Sapmi wrote:I've had an issue chain idea, involving the assassination of a high-ranking political figure. Would that be a good idea? I hope it is.


Issue ideas are best discussed in The Writers' Blog.

As for names in 1309: I had another male veteran, number 2 was another male and option 4 had another Timmy @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@. Possibly we both hit Timmy as random first name. Edit -- got another Timmy, so that first name's very likely non-random. I wonder why all characters appear to be male, though. There are nations with female-only armies around, are they not to receive that issue?

TalAkMaChen wrote:...
    ...
  • 1246,2 has some validity check, maybe about hunting being legal? Guns were not restricted in that nation, so it must be something else
    ...


Trotterdam (or others) -- you got hints what that could be? I noticed that at OptionOners.
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:58 pm

TalAkMaChen wrote:Trotterdam (or others) -- you got hints what that could be? I noticed that at OptionOners.
It doesn't appear to be a visible policy. Do note, though, that there are issues which allow you to ban hunting (separately from banning guns - you can hunt with bows or use guns for something else), which might be tracked backstage even though it's not a public policy.

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:31 pm

I think I found it, it's even still in "recent events"
1 day 12 hours ago: Following new legislation in OptionOners, the upper class have been throwing riots after hunting was recently banned.

There we go ... another hidden validity uncovered :D



---
edit: And another one that was there: Issue 549 sometimes hides option 3. It's not the obvious check (hidden for Atheist or Vegetarian) but something else ... anyone wants to guess, it wasn't seen at War Dogs XXIII. Maybe a too low religiousness prevented them from having that Archbishop? :o
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Postby Jutsa » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:31 pm

Woop Woop! Go Sedge!
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