Not an RP forum?

[Crazy girl]

I asked before and I'll ask again...link?

[Wanbeck]

I asked before and I'll ask again...link?

There's no specific thread I'm unhappy about, otherwise I'd have just asked about that. Presidential elections by Voting was just a good example to use to show how 100% fully In-Character threads can be placed in Gameplay simply because they have an indirect relation to the game. Another one could be the In-Character formation of a region or alliance, which in turn may affect gameplay.

[Crazy girl]

Well, I would like to see an example. Or maybe there is none because it is not an issue.

[Cennora]

I asked before and I'll ask again...link?

There's no specific thread I'm unhappy about, otherwise I'd have just asked about that. Presidential elections by Voting was just a good example to use to show how 100% fully In-Character threads can be placed in Gameplay simply because they have an indirect relation to the game. Another one could be the In-Character formation of a region or alliance, which in turn may affect gameplay.

Having a presidential election in your country cannot happen in the game. If you want to role play an election, you will have to do it in the forum named NationStates.

If you, as a nation, get elected to become your region's World Assembly rep then that would be considered out of character on the forums, even though it is you role playing as your nation in game. Gameplay, as far as I know, is a 100% out of character forum. Anything you want to be In character that is related to your nation, you are gonna have to take to Either, Factbooks & National Information, International Incidents, Nationstates, Global Economics & Trade, or NS Sports. Any region creations, or alliances between regions would be in gameplay.

[Wanbeck]

I don't have any examples I'm just going off what was said here.

If you really want, I could try and find a region which uses a different name for their WA Delegate, eg. President or Prime Minister, because I'm sure they exist. Then if ever that region wanted a roleplay vote on the forum, it would have to be in Gameplay, albeit 100% In-Character.

That's just off what's been said here. I was asking the question, not giving the answer.

[Crazy girl]

Actually, regional votes usually happening on offsite forums.

[Wanbeck]

Having a presidential election in your country cannot happen in the game. If you want to role play an election, you will have to do it in the forum named NationStates.

If you, as a nation, get elected to become your region's World Assembly rep then that would be considered out of character on the forums, even though it is you role playing as your nation in game. Gameplay, as far as I know, is a 100% out of character forum. Anything you want to be In character that is related to your nation, you are gonna have to take to Either, Factbooks & National Information, International Incidents, Nationstates, Global Economics & Trade, or NS Sports. Any region creations, or alliances between regions would be in gameplay.

Thank you! This is my whole exact point! I thought exactly the same way as you, until I was told that the thread would have to be moved to Gameplay because even though it is 100% In-Character, it will result in a change in the game.

This is why I believe the labels In-Character and OOC would be so much clearer.

[Wanbeck]

Actually, regional votes usually happening on offsite forums.

I'm sure they do, just saying though, IF (and it's not totally unimaginable) they wanted to use the NS forum.

[Cennora]

I don't have any examples I'm just going off what was said here.

If you really want, I could try and find a region which uses a different name for their WA Delegate, eg. President or Prime Minister, because I'm sure they exist. Then if ever that region wanted a roleplay vote on the forum, it would have to be in Gameplay, albeit 100% In-Character.

That's just off what's been said here. I was asking the question, not giving the answer.

If that region wanted to roleplay a vote for their delegate they would do it on either the International Incidents, Nationstates, or on their own regional forums. Game play is not for roleplaying, its for discussion.

And what thread? You keep referring to a thread yet you keep saying there is no individual thread. So either you have Alzheimer's or you are a very clever troll me thinks. And the forums ARE labeled In-Character. Read the descriptions.

[Sedgistan]

If you really want, I could try and find a region which uses a different name for their WA Delegate, eg. President or Prime Minister, because I'm sure they exist. Then if ever that region wanted a roleplay vote on the forum, it would have to be in Gameplay, albeit 100% In-Character.

Giving a position a name isn't RPing, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a 'roleplay vote'.

[Wanbeck]

I don't have any examples I'm just going off what was said here.

If you really want, I could try and find a region which uses a different name for their WA Delegate, eg. President or Prime Minister, because I'm sure they exist. Then if ever that region wanted a roleplay vote on the forum, it would have to be in Gameplay, albeit 100% In-Character.

That's just off what's been said here. I was asking the question, not giving the answer.

If that region wanted to roleplay a vote for their delegate they would do it on either the International Incidents, Nationstates, or on their own regional forums. Game play is not for roleplaying, its for discussion.

And what thread? You keep referring to a thread yet you keep saying there is no individual thread. So either you have Alzheimer's or you are a very clever troll me thinks. And the forums ARE labeled In-Character. Read the descriptions.

I think it will help if you read back through some of the comments on this thread because this is all covered.

[Cennora]

If that region wanted to roleplay a vote for their delegate they would do it on either the International Incidents, Nationstates, or on their own regional forums. Game play is not for roleplaying, its for discussion.

And what thread? You keep referring to a thread yet you keep saying there is no individual thread. So either you have Alzheimer's or you are a very clever troll me thinks. And the forums ARE labeled In-Character. Read the descriptions.

I think it will help if you read back through some of the comments on this thread because this is all covered.

I realize its all been covered, yet you keep saying the exact same thing after its been described very clearly.

[Wanbeck]

This thread proves how confusing it is when people are insisting strongly either way that fully IC game-related threads should go in NationStates or Gameplay. Can't be that clear.

I've made a good, helpful, constructive suggestion to improve the forums and make them easier to understand, sensible and more open.
And I get an over-defensive response from the site's establishment insisting that I am wrong and almost getting into debate with me over it like I'm making some sort of personal attack. That's no way to receive suggestions for improvement or constructive criticism. Infact it's an embarrassment.

Just trying to help, but clearly some take it personally. The current system is unclear, misleading, offensive and makes no sense to new members, and even established members get confused. But I see how precious you are over it, and you're not responding maturely or sensibly to my comments, nor showing that you trust in and share my intentions, so I shouldn't bother

[Cennora]

Factbooks & National Information

A place to put national factbooks, embassy exchanges, and other information regarding the nations of the world. [In-character]

NationStates

Where nations come together and discuss matters of varying degrees of importance. [In-character]

International Incidents

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In-character]

Global Economics & Trade

A meeting place where national storefronts can tout their wares and discuss trade. [In character.]

NS Sports

A battle ground for the sportsmen and women of nations worldwide. [In character.]

Gameplay

Talk about nation management, regional politics, and why llamas are a cooler national animal than squirrels.

Those are the exact descriptions from the front page of the forum index. If you every role play forum has [In-Character] at the end of the description. The Gameplay forum does not. And while that does not mean In-character discussions cannot happen there, like was already stated, it is very rare that they truly belong in the Gameplay forum. Dunno how much clearer I can make it.

[Wanbeck]

I think it will help if you read back through some of the comments on this thread because this is all covered.

I realize its all been covered, yet you keep saying the exact same thing after its been described very clearly.

Well then "the thread" you will know is the example I was talking about, ie. a Presidency election. I don't have Alzeheimer's and I'm not a troll. Calm down.

[Cennora]

I realize its all been covered, yet you keep saying the exact same thing after its been described very clearly.

Well then "the thread" you will know is the example I was talking about, ie. a Presidency election. I don't have Alzeheimer's and I'm not a troll. Calm down.

Ok, then for your example, if you were wanting to create a thread about the election of your nation's president, you would go to the NationStates forum and post it there. However, if you were talking about the actual in game naming of your national leader, sure, you would do that in Gameplay, but you would not rp it.

[Wanbeck]

Having a presidential election in your country cannot happen in the game. If you want to role play an election, you will have to do it in the forum named NationStates.

If you, as a nation, get elected to become your region's World Assembly rep then that would be considered out of character on the forums, even though it is you role playing as your nation in game. Gameplay, as far as I know, is a 100% out of character forum. Anything you want to be In character that is related to your nation, you are gonna have to take to Either, Factbooks & National Information, International Incidents, Nationstates, Global Economics & Trade, or NS Sports. Any region creations, or alliances between regions would be in gameplay.

But Cennora, I agree with you... yet it has already been confirmed on this thread that it should go to Gameplay because it impacts the game. I'm just highlighting the confusion which you yourself have (albeit inadvertently) proven.

According to you: "Gameplay, as far as I know, is a 100% out of character forum."... yet a thread which is 100% In Character, yet impact gameplay, will be moved to Gameplay, as confirmed in this thread.

I'm just highlighting the confusion, and after demonstrating it yourself, how can you or anyone else here disagree?

[Wanbeck]

In-Character and OOC labels would make things much easier and make a lot more sense to everyone. That's all. Sorry you are so passionately against it, and I really don't get why. It would quite clearly stop confusion and reduce the need to move threads as much.

[Cennora]

In-Character and OOC labels would make things much easier and make a lot more sense to everyone. That's all. Sorry you are so passionately against it, and I really don't get why. It would quite clearly stop confusion and reduce the need to move threads as much.

I'm not against the idea. I find that it is pretty simple to see that all the role playing threads have [In-Character] in their descriptions, and all non roleplaying forums don't.

Maybe this thread will help you understand. THIS IS NOT A RP FORUM

Its on the front page of the Gameplay forum for reference.

[Wanbeck]

Gameplay contains 100% IC threads which relate to the game. It's not a fully OOC forum. It is confusing, you got it wrong yourself.

[Sedgistan]

In-Character and OOC labels would make things much easier and make a lot more sense to everyone. That's all. Sorry you are so passionately against it, and I really don't get why. It would quite clearly stop confusion and reduce the need to move threads as much.

An OOC label for Gameplay would just result in even more RPers posting their OOC discussions of RPs in this forum.

[Cennora]

:palm: Gameplay contains 100% IC threads which relate to the game. It's not a fully OOC forum. It is confusing, you got it wrong yourself.

I think I see what you're confusing. Yes, when you play the actual game at http://www.nationstates.net you are role playing as a nation.

However, think of the forums as a completely separate website that has absolutely no impact on the game what so ever. The forums even have their own web address to help with this. http://forum.nationstates.net.

[Wanbeck]

:palm: Gameplay contains 100% IC threads which relate to the game. It's not a fully OOC forum. It is confusing, you got it wrong yourself.

I think I see what you're confusing. Yes, when you play the actual game at http://www.nationstates.net you are role playing as a nation.

However, think of the forums as a completely separate website that has absolutely no impact on the game what so ever. The forums even have their own web address to help with this. http://forum.nationstates.net.

I understand that. I'm not confused. It has been confirmed on this thread that a fully 100% IC thread which affects the game goes into Gameplay, even tho Presidents don't exist in the game and the thread is 100% roleplayed. Then you said it should go in NationStates. That shows there is confusion.

[Wanbeck]

Just a couple of examples skimming over the front page:

IC Threads in Gameplay, because they relate to the game: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=91299
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=90032

OOC Thread in NationStates, about how a WA condemnation affects your profile
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=91616

IC and OOC tags would make it all more straightforward and keep things nicely seperate for the RPers and Gameplayers, instead of the current system with OOC threads in NationStates and IC threads in Gameplay.

Just a bit clearer, that's all. And if people want a place to discuss RP OOC, great, give it to them. OOC: Roleplay. Job done.

You're resistant to improvement because, as already shown, years spent on NS means so much to you in terms of status, how could a noob know what he's talking about.

[Crazy girl]

Those are both regional recruitment threads, they say "move your nation to our region" basically. So yeah, those go in gameplay.