Not an RP forum?

[Sedgistan]

IC and OOC tags would make it all more straightforward and keep things nicely seperate for the RPers and Gameplayers, instead of the current system with OOC threads in NationStates and IC threads in Gameplay.

Things are kept nicely separate at the moment. Those threads you linked to are related to playing NS the game, and thus are in Gameplay.

Just a bit clearer, that's all. And if people want a place to discuss RP OOC, great, give it to them. OOC: Roleplay. Job done.

No, you discuss RP OOCly in the forum you'd actually ICly RP it. That's even more simple.

You're resistant to improvement because, as already shown, years spent on NS means so much to you in terms of status, how could a noob know what he's talking about.

No, I just don't see your suggestions as 'improvement'.

[Cennora]

I think I see what you're confusing. Yes, when you play the actual game at http://www.nationstates.net you are role playing as a nation.

However, think of the forums as a completely separate website that has absolutely no impact on the game what so ever. The forums even have their own web address to help with this. http://forum.nationstates.net.

I understand that. I'm not confused. It has been confirmed on this thread that a fully 100% IC thread which affects the game goes into Gameplay, even tho Presidents don't exist in the game and the thread is 100% roleplayed. Then you said it should go in NationStates. That shows there is confusion.

No, it has not been confirmed that a 100% IC thread should go into Gameplay. I don't even know where you are coming from with that.

Like I said, think of the forums as an offsite forum, that has their own IC and OOC rules separate from the game. On http://forum.nationstates.net the gameplay forum is for discussing things within http://www.nationstates.net. Nothing is to be in character on that forum. Its just for discussion.

To your latest post:
You are the only person who seems to be having a difficult time in distinguishing between the two. If you look at the threads made in Gameplay you will not see anyone role play their national elections. If you look in NationStates you will not see anyone talking about region x invading region y

[Wanbeck]

But what if I want to reoleplay regional elections? That seems so natural to me.

You'd obviously rather continue moving threads and ticking people off for not understanding your rules, than actually just take an objective view from a new user on board.

It obviously does make more sense to go OOC in the thread, but if you find it was a problem in the OOC section, why not give the people what they want? Rather than telling them how you think it should be done.

Infact I've even see players manually add IC or OOC on to the title, because it isn't clear from the forum section it is in. Obviously keeping all IC threads together is, to you, a horrendous idea. To me it just makes sense.

And labelling an IC thread as "NOT RP" just because it relates to gameplay is still rude.

[Wanbeck]

On http://forum.nationstates.net the gameplay forum is for discussing things within http://www.nationstates.net. Nothing is to be in character on that forum. Its just for discussion.

But this conflicts with what Sedgistan says. This is my whole point - confusion. You're getting confused trying to prove how unconfusing it is.

[Sedgistan]

But what if I want to reoleplay regional elections? That seems so natural to me.

Roleplay them how?

On http://forum.nationstates.net the gameplay forum is for discussing things within http://www.nationstates.net. Nothing is to be in character on that forum. Its just for discussion.

But this conflicts with what Sedgistan says. This is my whole point - confusion. You're getting confused trying to prove how unconfusing it is.

Actually, my post in the sticky makes clear that Gameplay is about discussing what happens in the game.

[Cennora]

But what if I want to reoleplay regional elections? That seems so natural to me.

Then if you can get the other members of your region to go along, you would post it in either the NationStates forum or the International Incidents forum. Then, if you so choose to take the results of that role played election and turn that into what you want for your region, then that would be a completely separate process.

You'd obviously rather continue moving threads and ticking people off for not understanding your rules, than actually just take an objective view from a new user on board.

Why would your thread being moved piss you off? Its a simple matter of hitting the View your posts link at the top of your page to find it again. And if you do not understand the rules for an individual forum, they have the rules posted and stickied at the top of each forum.

It obviously does make more sense to go OOC in the thread, but if you find it was a problem in the OOC section, why not give the people what they want? Rather than telling them how you think it should be done.

Don't really understand what you're trying to say here, but regardless, the moderators are tasked with attempting to make this game as fair for everyone that plays as they possibly can. However they cannot please everyone, so they do not go out of their way to change how they operate to do so.

Infact I've even see players manually add IC or OOC on to the title, because it isn't clear from the forum section it is in. Obviously keeping all IC threads together is, to you, a horrendous idea. To me it just makes sense.

They add IC or OOC to their titles to keep out of character remarks from flooding an in character thread. No one is going to post the In-character thread on one forum, and an Out of character thread for discussion of their IC thread on another. Its not needed and is a waste of bandwidth.

And labelling an IC thread as "NOT RP" just because it relates to gameplay is still rude.[/quote]
Welcome to the world. The world is rude. You're going to have to deal with it eventually, might as well do it on the internet.

[Ballotonia]

Wanbeck... the only confusion which exists here is the one you're fueling.

I CAN tell you that having, instead of the current forum layout, just two sub-forums labeled "IC" and "OOC" would immediately cause havoc and war between different communities of players. The current layout has grown over time, and has been reconsidered multiple times, and aims at serving the NationStates communities (note the plural) as best as is reasonably known to be possible. Each sub-forum has its own rules, serves a specific purpose, and caters to its own group of players. Sometimes a split was fought over hard, until finally game management agreed it was needed.

There is no simpler division I can think of which still serves the communities of NationStates. Yes, getting to understand them all may take some time. We're sorry for the inconvenience. I guess the game just isn't that straightforward.

Ballotonia

[Wanbeck]

This doesn't feel like people with a common interest discussing potential improvements to the usability and openness of the forums. I'm going to leave it there if that's OK. I started off confused about the Gameplay forum rules, then learning the history behind it and the confusion and alienation it can cause, I made a constructive suggestion for improvement. That's all. It's not about saying you're "wrong" or that your many years on the site shouldn't be noted, or that I'm better than you, or anything at all like that. It was just a genuine suggestion for improvement with the wider benefit at heart.

I'm not bothered how wrong you say I am, or how little I know, or how I must have Alzheimer's or am a troll... let that be a reflection on you.

"It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice." John Cassis

[Cennora]

On http://forum.nationstates.net the gameplay forum is for discussing things within http://www.nationstates.net. Nothing is to be in character on that forum. Its just for discussion.

But this conflicts with what Sedgistan says. This is my whole point - confusion. You're getting confused trying to prove how unconfusing it is.

No, it doesn't. It follows exactly what Sedgistan is saying. There is no confusion form anyone else, just you. And I am not confused. When I first joined the forums, I figured out the difference between the role play forums and the non role play forums rather quickly, and they were a hot mess back then.

This doesn't feel like people with a common interest discussing potential improvements to the usability and openness of the forums. I'm going to leave it there if that's OK. I started off confused about the Gameplay forum rules, then learning the history behind it and the confusion and alienation it can cause, I made a constructive suggestion for improvement. That's all. It's not about saying you're "wrong" or that your many years on the site shouldn't be noted, or that I'm better than you, or anything at all like that. It was just a genuine suggestion for improvement with the wider benefit at heart.

I'm not bothered how wrong you say I am, or how little I know, or how I must have Alzheimer's or am a troll... let that be a reflection on you.

"It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice." John Cassis

You seem to think that just because YOU do not understand, and because you have made a suggestion as to how to "improve" the game, that it must become law. As was stated in an above post, there has been a ton of discussion on the layout of the forum. This is what the majority of the player base has agreed upon.

[Wanbeck]

But what if I want to reoleplay regional elections? That seems so natural to me.

Then if you can get the other members of your region to go along, you would post it in either the NationStates forum or the International Incidents forum. Then, if you so choose to take the results of that role played election and turn that into what you want for your region, then that would be a completely separate process.

I asked this 3 pages ago and Sedgistan could not answer, other than to say he would do the thread differently and put it in Gameplay. I challenged him on that, and still no proper answer. Same for the entire thread.

I'm only going off what's in front of me, and I was only making a suggestion for improvement.

Sedgistan if your think it is OK to be rude to people, you shouldn't be moderating the forums.

I accept that my suggestion isn't going to happen, I've made it clear why I think that is, there's really no point discussing it anymore.

[Sedgistan]

Sedgistan if your think it is OK to be rude to people, you shouldn't be moderating the forums.

Where have I been rude to you? I've been trying to understand your view, and to explain why we have the current set-up.

[Wanbeck]

You seem to think that just because YOU do not understand, and because you have made a suggestion as to how to "improve" the game, that it must become law. As was stated in an above post, there has been a ton of discussion on the layout of the forum. This is what the majority of the player base has agreed upon.

Calm down, please. I don't know what you think I don't understand, I didn't realise my understanding was even in question. I understand it just fine. I've made no implication at all the my suggestion should become law, or even be like for that matter. I'd just like to be treated with the respect of anyone who is genuinely just making a suggestion for improvement, without getting overly-defensive replies calling me a troll and saying I don't get it and must have Alzheimer's.

I'm sensing, based on what I've seen, that you'll have another reply for me. Please understand if I choose not to bite this time. I don't really care, I was just making a suggestion.

[Wanbeck]

Sedgistan, I apologise - I was referring to this quote, which I mistakenly took as yours. I'm sincerely sorry.

Welcome to the world. The world is rude. You're going to have to deal with it eventually, might as well do it on the internet.

[Cennora]

You seem to think that just because YOU do not understand, and because you have made a suggestion as to how to "improve" the game, that it must become law. As was stated in an above post, there has been a ton of discussion on the layout of the forum. This is what the majority of the player base has agreed upon.

Calm down, please. I don't know what you think I don't understand, I didn't realise my understanding was even in question. I understand it just fine. I've made no implication at all the my suggestion should become law, or even be like for that matter. I'd just like to be treated with the respect of anyone who is genuinely just making a suggestion for improvement, without getting overly-defensive replies calling me a troll and saying I don't get it and must have Alzheimer's.

I'm sensing, based on what I've seen, that you'll have another reply for me. Please understand if I choose not to bite this time. I don't really care, I was just making a suggestion.

If you took anything I have said personally or if it offended you I apologize, that was not what I was trying to accomplish. It seemed, from reading what you wrote, that you somehow expected that things would be changed because you thought it was a good idea. Perhaps I read your posts in the wrong context, perhaps, not. Either way, I apologize if my comments seemed defensive in any way. They were not.

[Bazalonia]

EDIT: Going back to Wanbeck's 'skimming'

The form of those posts is IC, I agree but form and function are totally different. The function of these posts are to attract people to their regions. A fundamental gameplay activity. The function is clearly not an IC function but an OOC function to make the players behind the nation to decide that one of these regions are better than the other, the IC form of the posts may help people to decide in their favour but it's the function that people look at.

These 'IC' posts are nothing more than regional ads and to keep people from having to wade through the clutter of the RP forums to try and find a new potential region they are kept here in Gameplay because they are by their very nature a gameplay action.

As far as that OOC post. That should be moved, congratulations, you have found one post that the mods have missed. You know what this proves? That mods are human. The respondees should of noted that the forum was the wrong place to ask as well but meh.

[Whamabama]

Are we still talking about RP's in gameplay? good grief...............This isn't the place for it.

Also of note suggestions for improvements to the game, or the forum shouldn't be in here either. Those belong in technical. Take it there.