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how to raise pol. freedoms

Postby Green Port » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:17 am

i just took out elections and my political freedoms went to the ground, and i like to be the emperor but i want to give freedom too
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:43 pm

This is almost a contradiction. Elections are the basis of political freedom. You can give your people civil and economic freedoms, but as long as you are a dictatorship your political freedoms will be low, if they exist at all.

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Postby Ledarre » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:47 am

I'm struggling to see the problem here. Just look at my nation, looks like a politically free nation, right? WRONG! The democratically elected parliament requires a unanimous vote to actually pass legalisation and with proportional representation and the number of extremists in parliament this is near impossible.

So the monarchy effectively rules by decree. I have achieved this through answering issues in a certain way... Unfortunately I can’t remember what those issues were. That plus a little bit of RP. Anyway my point is it’s easy to have moderate to high political freedoms and still have absolute power, you just have to be creative.
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Ledarre wrote:I'm struggling to see the problem here. Just look at my nation, looks like a politically free nation, right? WRONG! The democratically elected parliament requires a unanimous vote to actually pass legalisation and with proportional representation and the number of extremists in parliament this is near impossible.

So the monarchy effectively rules by decree. I have achieved this through answering issues in a certain way... Unfortunately I can’t remember what those issues were. That plus a little bit of RP. Anyway my point is it’s easy to have moderate to high political freedoms and still have absolute power, you just have to be creative.


Huh. That's a rather unique and, I must say, deliciously evil approach. *golfclap*

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:14 pm

Ledarre wrote:I'm struggling to see the problem here. Just look at my nation, looks like a politically free nation, right? WRONG! The democratically elected parliament requires a unanimous vote to actually pass legalisation and with proportional representation and the number of extremists in parliament this is near impossible.

So the monarchy effectively rules by decree. I have achieved this through answering issues in a certain way... Unfortunately I can’t remember what those issues were. That plus a little bit of RP. Anyway my point is it’s easy to have moderate to high political freedoms and still have absolute power, you just have to be creative.


Huh. That's a rather unique and, I must say, deliciously evil approach. *golfclap*

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Postby Ledarre » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:00 pm

Why thank you. Also I believe the issue I was referring to were:
Extremists on the ballot
Filibuster bust up
Two parties for too long

At least I think those were the titles.
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Ledarre wrote:I'm struggling to see the problem here. Just look at my nation, looks like a politically free nation, right? WRONG! The democratically elected parliament requires a unanimous vote to actually pass legalisation and with proportional representation and the number of extremists in parliament this is near impossible.

So the monarchy effectively rules by decree. I have achieved this through answering issues in a certain way... Unfortunately I can’t remember what those issues were. That plus a little bit of RP. Anyway my point is it’s easy to have moderate to high political freedoms and still have absolute power, you just have to be creative.


Huh. That's a rather unique and, I must say, deliciously evil approach. *golfclap*

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Postby Cilistia Novaren » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:10 pm

However, you must realize, you are in /no way/ forced to RP according to your nationpage. It may or may not be an accurate measurement of how you wanted your nation to be. You can go with what Ledarre said, however you do not have to wait for issues to pop up and slowly change into that. You can either say its always been so, or do an RP for massive political reform. Look at my nation for example, in the desc. it says my tax is like 30% or something and much higher for the wealthy, this is not so at all, my tax rate is incredibly low (at like 10% I think) and is flat for all people, I also have 2.5 billion citizens, altho something like that is usually a no no unless ur in fantasy tech or future tech.
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Postby Green Port » Sat Dec 25, 2010 1:54 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:This is almost a contradiction. Elections are the basis of political freedom. You can give your people civil and economic freedoms, but as long as you are a dictatorship your political freedoms will be low, if they exist at all.


my idea was not dictatorship, i wanted a monarchy
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Postby Wamitoria » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:02 pm

Green Port wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:This is almost a contradiction. Elections are the basis of political freedom. You can give your people civil and economic freedoms, but as long as you are a dictatorship your political freedoms will be low, if they exist at all.


my idea was not dictatorship, i wanted a monarchy

Semantics, as they're basically the same thing unless it's a constitutional monarchy.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:11 pm

Image

By choosing decisions that let people do whatever the hell they want, except have a say in government, your nation could become a Libertarian Police State, a Benevolent Dictatorship, or Iron Fist Socialist, which have extremely high personal freedoms, variable economic freedoms, and no political freedoms. At least, that's how I understand it.
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Postby Ledarre » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:19 pm

I never really did understand that little chart.
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Ledarre wrote:I'm struggling to see the problem here. Just look at my nation, looks like a politically free nation, right? WRONG! The democratically elected parliament requires a unanimous vote to actually pass legalisation and with proportional representation and the number of extremists in parliament this is near impossible.

So the monarchy effectively rules by decree. I have achieved this through answering issues in a certain way... Unfortunately I can’t remember what those issues were. That plus a little bit of RP. Anyway my point is it’s easy to have moderate to high political freedoms and still have absolute power, you just have to be creative.


Huh. That's a rather unique and, I must say, deliciously evil approach. *golfclap*

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:36 pm

Ledarre wrote:I never really did understand that little chart.


The only part I don't understand is the colored bar.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:42 pm

Cilistia Novaren wrote:However, you must realize, you are in /no way/ forced to RP according to your nationpage. It may or may not be an accurate measurement of how you wanted your nation to be.


This is a good idea, remember the freedoms are just what the UN World Assembly has to say about your nation their measurements and data collection are quite possibly wrong.
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Postby Green Port » Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:25 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Green Port wrote:
my idea was not dictatorship, i wanted a monarchy

Semantics, as they're basically the same thing unless it's a constitutional monarchy.

yep, consensual democratic constitutional monarchy, you can check the bottom of my factbook to look for my "perfect" government idea
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Postby Wamitoria » Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:22 pm

Green Port wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Semantics, as they're basically the same thing unless it's a constitutional monarchy.

yep, consensual democratic constitutional monarchy, you can check the bottom of my factbook to look for my "perfect" government idea

Why did you outlaw voting then?
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Postby Maurdohpia (Ancient) » Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:00 am

Ledarre wrote:I never really did understand that little chart.

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Basically:

  • Find out what tier your Personal Freedoms (Civil Rights) fall into (check your nation page). I'm at "Superb", which is the highest tier.
  • Find out your Economic Freedom. I have no idea how to do this, but if you're a true capitalist it's usually the right and if your business is fully nationalized it's on the left. The middle is with some regulations, that's what I have.
  • Find out your Political Freedom, again through your nation page.

Now try finding out why your nation is an Authoritarian Democracy.

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Postby Grenartia » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:41 am

Maurdohpia wrote:
Ledarre wrote:I never really did understand that little chart.

Image

Basically:

  • Find out what tier your Personal Freedoms (Civil Rights) fall into (check your nation page). I'm at "Superb", which is the highest tier.
  • Find out your Economic Freedom. I have no idea how to do this, but if you're a true capitalist it's usually the right and if your business is fully nationalized it's on the left. The middle is with some regulations, that's what I have.
  • Find out your Political Freedom, again through your nation page.

Now try finding out why your nation is an Authoritarian Democracy.


Any clue what the colored bar means?
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:40 am

Grenartia wrote:
Maurdohpia wrote:Image

Basically:

  • Find out what tier your Personal Freedoms (Civil Rights) fall into (check your nation page). I'm at "Superb", which is the highest tier.
  • Find out your Economic Freedom. I have no idea how to do this, but if you're a true capitalist it's usually the right and if your business is fully nationalized it's on the left. The middle is with some regulations, that's what I have.
  • Find out your Political Freedom, again through your nation page.

Now try finding out why your nation is an Authoritarian Democracy.


Any clue what the colored bar means?


The colored bar represents the demographic layout of the various govenment types. The redder the square, the more common that form of government is, like inoffensive centrist democracy. The bluer, the rarer, like free market paradise.

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Postby Grenartia » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:03 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Any clue what the colored bar means?


The colored bar represents the demographic layout of the various govenment types. The redder the square, the more common that form of government is, like inoffensive centrist democracy. The bluer, the rarer, like free market paradise.


Thanks.
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Postby Green Port » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:05 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Green Port wrote:yep, consensual democratic constitutional monarchy, you can check the bottom of my factbook to look for my "perfect" government idea

Why did you outlaw voting then?


i outlawed voting to choose the leader, voting in green port is used to approve laws (every house has a device to vote yes or no), but there's no such option
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Postby Maurdohpia (Ancient) » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:48 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Any clue what the colored bar means?


The colored bar represents the demographic layout of the various govenment types. The redder the square, the more common that form of government is, like inoffensive centrist democracy. The bluer, the rarer, like free market paradise.

Thanks, was wondering that too. Seems like Libertarian Police State is quite rare.

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Postby Grenartia » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:52 pm

Maurdohpia wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
The colored bar represents the demographic layout of the various govenment types. The redder the square, the more common that form of government is, like inoffensive centrist democracy. The bluer, the rarer, like free market paradise.

Thanks, was wondering that too. Seems like Libertarian Police State is quite rare.


Tyranny by Majority seems really masochist.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:31 pm

Green Port wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Why did you outlaw voting then?


i outlawed voting to choose the leader, voting in green port is used to approve laws (every house has a device to vote yes or no), but there's no such option


You can't chose your leader until your population hits 750 million and answer a certain issue, and then it is irrelevant as to whether or not you have democracy.
Maurdohpia wrote:Seems like Libertarian Police State is quite rare.


I was one for a while in another country. I like the description for it.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:01 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Any clue what the colored bar means?


The colored bar represents the demographic layout of the various govenment types. The redder the square, the more common that form of government is, like inoffensive centrist democracy. The bluer, the rarer, like free market paradise.

Mind you, as far as I know the bar hasn't been updated since its origin, which was over five years ago, so the ratios now might be somewhat different...
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Postby Maurdohpia (Ancient) » Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:35 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Maurdohpia wrote:Seems like Libertarian Police State is quite rare.


I was one for a while in another country. I like the description for it.

I quite dislike it to be frank, I've never once done anything to limit political freedoms except for outlawing voting. I'd like to bring the pol. freedoms up a bit, to the point of a Left-Leaning College State.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:36 pm

Maurdohpia wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:

I was one for a while in another country. I like the description for it.

I quite dislike it to be frank, I've never once done anything to limit political freedoms except for outlawing voting. I'd like to bring the pol. freedoms up a bit, to the point of a Left-Leaning College State.

:blink: Except outlawing voting? That's a pretty big cut in political freedoms.

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