Kandarin's Last Will and Testament

[Naivetry]

Nai, you going to change Kandy's flag (and possibly national settings) to your own once the transaction is complete? I can see a lot of confusion following the nation switch if people are mistaking the "new" player behind the nation for the old one.

No; I will not be changing anything. For one thing, I can't think of anyone in the game I'd rather be confused with than Kandy. For another, most of the point of the nation transfer is to make this transition as smooth and imperceptible for most people as possible. Those who have interacted with Kandarin on various forums may be confused, but they're also the people most likely to find this or another post explaining the situation. In addition, I'm planning to telegram a few hundred people in TRR to let them know what's up, so there's that.

If someone is clearly attempting to contact the original player behind the nation (...and we thought there was no use for that term...), I can forward the message to him, and/or write back pointing to this thread. But the goal is a measure of continuity in TRR, and I don't want to disrupt that by messing with the nation; Kandarin has its own identity and should retain it.

[Ballotonia]

It won't be a smooth transition if there's an ugly unendorsement campaign to get rid of the 'imposter Kandarin'. It's surely possible to hand over a Delegacy, but in the end the Delegacy belongs to the community in TRR. They decide, through their endorsements, who gets to keep that Delegacy.

Kandarin, one cannot rule beyond ones grave. And if that TRR community you've built up is indeed so great, perhaps they should be entrusted with running things by themselves. If you think that community needs someone from another region to go there to babysit them, well... I don't know the TRR community anymore, it's been literally years since I took a peek, but it shouldn't be a surprise that not everyone takes kindly to the arrangement forced upon them.

Ballotonia

[Darkesia]

The rise of the Dutch Mafia! *runs screaming to the hills*

[Reziel]

Kandarin, one cannot rule beyond ones grave. And if that TRR community you've built up is indeed so great, perhaps they should be entrusted with running things by themselves.

Well... it seems patent obvious that any possible "ruling beyond the grave" cannot happen if the community of TRR doesn't agree with Kandarin's opinions. Therefore, in the very end they are entrusted the right to run things by themselves: the handed nation KANDARIN can indeed be unendorsed and a new delegate can be appointed quite easily

I mean... I'm rather sure Kandyman has NOT stolen the unendorse-buttons from anyone, no?!? IMO... yes, "appointing" a possible successor was something he ws entitled to do. If this is something which makes sense and which will be accepted by the community... well, that's perhaps part of a new story, yet-to-be-written and whose authors would undoubtedly be the citizens of TRR, in complete freedom.

[Sedgistan]

The discussion about TRR's future might be better suited to TRR's forum, or at least a new thread here.

[Kandarin]

The discussion about TRR's future might be better suited to TRR's forum, or at least a new thread here.

I'd considered doing that, but given the RR's (and my) interregional role and the very, very inactive nature of the RR forum, I thought it better to have the discussion where it would be more readily seen. This is the best place to have it, but an additional thread there would be nice though.

[Naivetry]

The discussion about TRR's future might be better suited to TRR's forum, or at least a new thread here.

I'd considered doing that, but given the RR's (and my) interregional role and the very, very inactive nature of the RR forum, I thought it better to have the discussion where it would be more readily seen. This is the best place to have it, but an additional thread there would be nice though.

*nods* I'm in the process of making one, but these posts take me hours...

EDIT: For those interested: http://z8.invisionfree.invalid.com/The_RR_and_R ... topic=2464

[All Serene Republics]

I wish you the best in the path you follow...

[Jenrak]

All of the best of luck to you, Kandarin.

Godspeed.

[Southern Bellz]

I think this nation transfer thing is very bad for the game, and is a terrible step in a direction that NS has been going in for years for players to remove themselves from the game. Honestly, this makes what should be a game changing event, more boring than the smallest UCR's delegate transfer. I hope Nai reconsiders just using Kandy's nation, and rise to challenge of becoming delegate of the RR herself. She is too much of a creative force in this game to take the lazy way out.

[Kevin268]

You shall be severely missed. I never got to know you well enough but for the times I did get in contact with you, I very much liked the chatter we had. Good luck on all your future endeavours. Return for a little visit now and then eh?

[Der Fuhrer Dyszel]

Kandarin.

I am disappointed that there is not a single mention of the RRA in your farewell post. No recognition of all those valiant soldiers who have bravely defended your delegacy. No salute for us who worked hard to show the Rejected Realms was more than just a sinker but also home to an army of brave defenders. I am dismayed by this utter lack of respect to those who worked by your side to make the RR and the RRA back in the days. Gres, Siggi, Greymarshes, Black Dreams, Geomania and myself (and many others I have not mentioned here but who I will remember and respect until the end of days)

For the memory of my RRA superiors and my soldiers, I will NOT accept Naivetry (who I respect as an ally and defender) as the new delegate of the RR, and I will switch my WA membership to my main nation and run for delegate myself to keep outsiders from taking over.

I was not going to dignify this absolutely pathetic thread a response, but being that I learned Kandarin gave up our home to someone who has never been a member of The Rejected Realms, I feel the need to respond to CG.

Kandarin believes this game to be his own, his own self created world. I have talked to him numerous times and many times he made allusions to the belief that this game was practically created by him. Why he was pretentious enough to insinuate that he created defending and raiding....for a guy who sat in The Rejected Realms as delegate, I think it is rather asinine to claim credit for a game he never played. Defending or raiding means never having a stable WA nation, something Kandarin cannot claim.

I started my involvement in feeder politics back in The Rejected Realms. That region is my NS home. I have more memories of NS connected to that region than I do other places in NS. When I learned that Kandarin did not even consider native RR members for the position, I was infuriated. In real life, I ripped the guy a new asshole for this decision. Still, he proceeded to make this decision as if it was his to make.

CG stated it well and I share her sentiments. It was not Kandarin's region to hand over. He was kept in delegacy NOT by his own merits but by the people around him. It seems that he had forgotten the people who made him who was to be remembered as. He ignored the soldiers who fought to defend our delegacy. He has blatantly disrespected the people who build him into the icon he became. He gave no thanks to the hard working members of this game who helped him get to where he was.

The biggest disappoint I have in this game was calling Kandarin a friend at one point.

Pity. For someone who quit the game because he has no time to play it, he sure has been spending a lot of time following this thread and reading people's responses. Hmm....looks to me like a typical cry for attention.

If Kandarin believes any of the crap he used to tell me he believed, he would realize his errors and make real amends to them. If he has an ounce of intelligence, he will think twice about starting his self-righteous nonsense about how he is never wrong...oh wait he already started that. *rolls eyes*

Nai I hope you are the kind natured person I know you to be. I just ask that you realize his mistakes and not try to defend them. He erred, but you do not have to respect his errors and follow through with them.

I will join CG in a fight for TRR. Many of us have a connection with that region you cannot understand if you have never been part of it. It is why Kandarin thinks the region was his to hand over....he was never part of what TRR really stood for. It was the group of us rejectees who came together as RL friends beyond just this game. He sat by and did not partake in the core of that region for years. So I share in the sentiments of disappointment to learn that he has ignored the people who made him who he was.

If you want my personal sympathy or empathy towards Kandarin's plights, you will not find it. If he wanted to quit, he would have just quit. None of this "last will" crap. I mean he is making a show out of this....if that's not a cry for attention, I don't know what is. Considering all the personal messaging he did to ensure people read this thread....give me a break. Pathetic.

[South Allegheny]

Haha, oh wow Kandarin. If school is so busy why is this still going on? Why is it so important that you keep or hand over this shit. Just let the Forum root take it over like you said she wanted, you can't rule from the grave.

[Darkesia]

*makes popcorn*

[Todd McCloud]

No one should "hand over" a collector region, feeder, etc to someone who really was not a part of the region, especially since there are people in that region (CG) who were there for a very long time and worked there tirelessly for years. It isn't Kandarin's to hand over - he's not the sole occupant of the region, it's a community. Nai's a good player and one I respect, but this isn't a question of that at all - this is The Rejected Realms, which is a collector region to all of us, but to CG, DFD, and a bunch of others, this is their home. Let them decide what to do with their home, not a person who is leaving the game. We all should be cognizant of that. Kandarin used his position in TRR as that of a figurehead and held it for years, hence why it's being treated as a figurehead position right now. But TRR has a community behind that.

Really, the whole premise of this thread... wow.

[South Allegheny]

Hey, that reminds me Kandarin. You remember when you made fun of todd for holding on and wanting the TEP delegacy, and how you constantly berated him for wanting a position?

How hypocritical...

[Unibotian WA Mission]

I am disappointed that there is not a single mention of the RRA in your farewell post. No recognition of all those valiant soldiers who have bravely defended your delegacy. No salute for us who worked hard to show the Rejected Realms was more than just a sinker but also home to an army of brave defenders.

Was it not their self-declared duty to do so? The fact that you value recognition for conducting your duties more so than respecting a person who has done more for this game than just about anyone by letting him leave in peace and with goodwill speaks volumes about your tasteless and frankly, childish behavior.

I wouldn't consider myself a self-declared defender, I don't think I have the experience to, but I know that what regions I've defended, I've defended or liberated knowing that nobody is going to recognize me in the future for helping.. that the majority of these cases of liberations and defense missions are farts in the wind... I did it 'cause it was helping someone. The only person I need to recognize my good deeds is myself, so my question is why others need more? Or do they think they deserve more? If so, please speak up, because its not Kandarin's job to hand badges out to everyone for recognition like defender candy, it's the World Assembly's duty.. and you've got the World Assembly Whore #1's attention.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

This thread has descended into a flame war.

[Unibotian WA Mission]

This thread has descended into a flame war.

Wasn't flaming anyone, I'm the "World Assembly Whore #1" according to most of my critics.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

This thread has descended into a flame war.

Wasn't flaming anyone, I'm the "World Assembly Whore #1" according to most of my critics.

Lol. I'm not even in WA.

[Kalibarr]

This isn't directed at anyone specifically, just a blanket statement about the bickering over the RR delegacy

Shouldn't the position of WA delegate be about serving your region, not stroking your ego?

[Pythria]

*makes popcorn*

Can I have some?

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

This thread reminds me of the good old days.

[Der Fuhrer Dyszel]

Was it not their self-declared duty to do so? The fact that you value recognition for conducting your duties more so than respecting a person who has done more for this game than just about anyone by letting him leave in peace and with goodwill speaks volumes about your tasteless and frankly, childish behavior.

I understand your point but I must put in my two cents. This is a matter of recognizing the people whose community he is disrupting. It is one matter to consult a region and and decide based on what the region wants who is most suitable for the position. It is an entirely different situation to say "this is my region and I'm going to give it to someone." The only regions people own in this game are UCR's and we all that at times it is difficult to claim that a single person owns them as well.

Kandarin is handing over a region he does not own like it is a piece of personal property. It would be one thing if the community of The Rejected Realms wished this decision, but clearly we do not want it. It would even have been better if Kandarin asked the region who they wanted to be delegate or kept this decision with TRR. But he made a show out of it, so that is what he is going to get.

I have nothing against Nai. Nai is the unfortunate collateral who was thrust into this position. It is very unfortunate this argument has to involve someone I do respect. But again, recognizing that it was not Kandarin's region to hand over will immensely help in resolving this situation.

Think of your own regions. Think of your own communities. Think of how you would feel if someone just said "here take this" without considering you or your friends' opinions on the matter. Kandarin has his dark moments in this game. We proved this in TEP. He gets something stuck into his head and does not consider the implications it has on other people. If it was not for my interventions in the past, his reputation would have been tanked there a lot sooner than it was. He tends to do what he believes is right regardless of the opinions of other people, or perhaps only the opinion of another person. Communities are a whole and do not function when only one person is calling all the shots.

TRR has been a community about defense. It was the easiest region to facilitate a defense army because all raiders and all defenders ended up there at one point. Unfortunately, a defense army requires a degree of flexibility and instability. TRR could not play the defense game and keep a stable delegate within its own core group of people. So we let Kandarin play the part of delegate because he was a loner, kept to himself, and seemed content doing that. We went on playing our game, building the heart and soul of what TRR really stood for, defense and friendship. Ask people who attempted to take TRR how quickly they lasted and look at the people who have time and time again driven those missions. Look at our forums and who is our Root Admin. Look at the previous TRR forums and who was involved there. Just take a moment to peruse TRR's whole community and you will see very quickly that Kandarin has always been an outsider even to our own community. We kept him in power because we were always the ones off running defense missions elsewhere in the game.

Ignoring that....ignoring the fact that an entire community exists in that region independent of Kandarin is going to lead to problems. Kandarin ignored it and now he is going to have to deal with that mistake. Unless he really quit, which I doubt he has, he has thrown a dear friend into the battle to fight for him. Nai is practically his meatshield and he is going to use her to take the negative backlash of his poor decisions, like he has done to many of us in the past and shadows of NS.

It takes a lot for me to come out and speak poorly about someone. I feel I must have substantial proof backing my claims before I will consider publicly ousting someone. So I am not standing here, angst angst, Kandarin butt hurt us. I have enough grounds to stand on to say this is one of Kandarin's many poor decisions that he has made. And again, this is one that I am intervening in and saying "no, not happening." Ask people in TEP, they will tell you about his random removing people from admin and mod positions, his RP Godmodding, his attacks on other players. He hides behind the pretense of being a calm collected person but unless you break him out of that shell and put him into situations where he cannot walk away to think of the best response, you begin to see his true colors. I am not going to sit here and say he is a terrible person. In the same respect, I wish I could sit here and say he is the greatest guy I ever knew in NS, but there is one thing everyone learns quickly about me.....I call the shots as I see them. Good or bad, I say what I see no matter how unpleasant and incriminating it can be at times. Yes, it burns me a lot, but I have nothing to hide. I am who I am and if you do not like that, well you should all know what I say to that.

Form your own opinions about Kandarin. I am not making this into a hateKandarinfest. But I am going to intervene and say this handing over his nation and subsequently TRR crap is utter nonsense and is going to meet a lot of resistance. And if you want to resolve the issue, recognize what TRR stands for. If you do not know who the members were that made that region what it is today, I suggest keeping your opinions about this ordeal to yourself because your lack of information is only going to make you look like an idiot in the long run. If Kandarin is your friend and you feel the overwhelming need to defend him, send him some heartwarming TG's. But this issue is about knowledge and knowing what really happened behind the scenes of TRR and who really ran that region and how ignoring that fact in any delegate transfer is going to bite you in the ass. Many regions, in fact pretty much every single one, can tell you that a delegate is NOT the region.

I am just saying all of this so when a native steps up running for delegate against Nai, there is no surprise as to why. It has nothing to do with her....it has to deal with the fact that TRR was not Kandarin's to hand over to who "he" felt was best. I am also going to ask that all of you who are not involved please kindly stay out of it. We will decide who we want as delegate. Kandarin is not dead in RL so I do not see the importance of honoring a pretend will.

[Kandarin]

May I have some of that popcorn?

*munches* Hey, thanks!

As for the RR...the RR isn't something that someone can own, much less give away. It's really more something to try to become the zen of, as it were. The RR delegacy has always been unrelated to power, tied to a far wider system...and so it carries a different set of connotations than the delegacy of, say, a feeder. And so the delegacy does not carry "I'm a-giving you the keys" implications to give it away than a feeder. It is simply a way of saying that Nai has my trust, and I hope that she will have yours.

In any case, it's up to her discretion what to do with it or how to deal with it; this nation will be hers after this post. You can carry through that trust or you cannot. The RR has always, always been about free choice, and no one in the game has the power to take it away.

Signing off,
Kandarin