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Postby I came I saw I conquered » Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:38 pm

Are there any interregional alliances for defense of frontiers or large regions that defend frontiers? Using an alt as to not give my region away.

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Postby Bormiar Card Farm 182 » Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:44 pm

I came I saw I conquered wrote:Are there any interregional alliances for defense of frontiers or large regions that defend frontiers? Using an alt as to not give my region away.

Yes. Examples include The League, The Rejected Realms, The Order of the Grey Wardens, The South Pacific, Europeia, 10000 Islands, and many other large regions (more) selectively.

"I came I saw I conquered" - are you gaining intel for future conquering?

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Postby I came I saw I conquered » Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:49 pm

Bormiar Card Farm 182 wrote:
I came I saw I conquered wrote:Are there any interregional alliances for defense of frontiers or large regions that defend frontiers? Using an alt as to not give my region away.

Yes. Examples include The League, The Rejected Realms, The Order of the Grey Wardens, The South Pacific, Europeia, 10000 Islands, and many other large regions (more) selectively.

"I came I saw I conquered" - are you gaining intel for future conquering?

Nah. I'm planning on a frontier and I don't want to be raided and destroyed.

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Postby Bormiar » Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:39 am

I came I saw I conquered wrote:
Bormiar Card Farm 182 wrote:Yes. Examples include The League, The Rejected Realms, The Order of the Grey Wardens, The South Pacific, Europeia, 10000 Islands, and many other large regions (more) selectively.

"I came I saw I conquered" - are you gaining intel for future conquering?

Nah. I'm planning on a frontier and I don't want to be raided and destroyed.

That’s awesome, good luck to you. And I was only teasing. :p

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Postby Reventus Koth » Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:05 am

I came I saw I conquered wrote:Nah. I'm planning on a frontier and I don't want to be raided and destroyed.

Defenders won't protect you, they've failed to stop almost every attack on a frontier since the feature was implemented. The best way to protect yourself against raiders is to give them a reason not to attack you -- whether it be signing a non-aggression pact, assisting raiders in some fashion, or otherwise providing some sort of value or maintaining a high enough endorsement count on your delegate that nobody will want to bother.

Of course, because defender morality is paper-thin, you might have to worry about being attacked by them out of spite if you treat with raiders at all. Such is life in the frontier.
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Postby Ancientania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:09 am

I came I saw I conquered wrote:Are there any interregional alliances for defense of frontiers or large regions that defend frontiers? Using an alt as to not give my region away.

There's always the FDP, or frontier defense pact. There's a region. Search it.

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Postby Reventus Koth » Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:24 am

Ancientania wrote:
I came I saw I conquered wrote:Are there any interregional alliances for defense of frontiers or large regions that defend frontiers? Using an alt as to not give my region away.

There's always the FDP, or frontier defense pact. There's a region. Search it.

Don't listen to the raider AU.

I speak naught but the truth. Frontiersmen should be well aware of the options available to them, and their proven track record of effectiveness. The number one thing that protects a frontier is endorsements on the delegate at the end of the day. Anything else puts you on someone's radar, raider or defender.
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Postby Gorutimania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:26 am

Reventus Koth wrote:
Ancientania wrote:There's always the FDP, or frontier defense pact. There's a region. Search it.

Don't listen to the raider AU.

I speak naught but the truth. Frontiersmen should be well aware of the options available to them, and their proven track record of effectiveness. The number one thing that protects a frontier is endorsements on the delegate at the end of the day. Anything else puts you on someone's radar, raider or defender.

Or both.
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Postby Ancientania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:54 am

Reventus Koth wrote:
Ancientania wrote:There's always the FDP, or frontier defense pact. There's a region. Search it.

Don't listen to the raider AU.

I speak naught but the truth. Frontiersmen should be well aware of the options available to them, and their proven track record of effectiveness. The number one thing that protects a frontier is endorsements on the delegate at the end of the day. Anything else puts you on someone's radar, raider or defender.

I could dissect your comment but I'm on a phone so I'll just say I was mostly talking about that morale comment
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Postby Reventus Koth » Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:05 am

Ancientania wrote:
Reventus Koth wrote:I speak naught but the truth. Frontiersmen should be well aware of the options available to them, and their proven track record of effectiveness. The number one thing that protects a frontier is endorsements on the delegate at the end of the day. Anything else puts you on someone's radar, raider or defender.

I could dissect your comment but I'm on a phone so I'll just say I was mostly talking about that morale comment

I'm also on a phone :P

Regardless, it's still true. Ask Solidarity and Atlanticana about how safe they were from defenders once they associated with groups that defenders didn't approve of.
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Postby Merien » Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:04 pm

Reventus Koth wrote:
I came I saw I conquered wrote:Nah. I'm planning on a frontier and I don't want to be raided and destroyed.

Defenders won't protect you, they've failed to stop almost every attack on a frontier since the feature was implemented. The best way to protect yourself against raiders is to give them a reason not to attack you -- whether it be signing a non-aggression pact, assisting raiders in some fashion, or otherwise providing some sort of value or maintaining a high enough endorsement count on your delegate that nobody will want to bother.

Of course, because defender morality is paper-thin, you might have to worry about being attacked by them out of spite if you treat with raiders at all. Such is life in the frontier.


The defenders become the raiders lol.
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Postby Foxyshire » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:20 pm

I honestly tempted to make a frontier out of curiosity, although I imagine nurturing one is going to be a nightmare.
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Postby Ancientania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:25 pm

Foxyshire wrote:I honestly tempted to make a frontier out of curiosity, although I imagine nurturing one is going to be a nightmare.

It takes a while to even get to my level but once you do (provided you get endorsements) it's really nice

Is stressful sometimes, though
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Postby I came I saw I conquered » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:31 pm

Is avoiding conflict or controversy enough? Are raiders indiscriminate?

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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:35 pm

One way to defend yourself is to just strip the Delegate of all powers except for WA.
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Postby Ancientania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:38 pm

Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:One way to defend yourself is to just strip the Delegate of all powers except for WA.

Not how frontiers work. Pretty obviously.
I came I saw I conquered wrote:Is avoiding conflict or controversy enough? Are raiders indiscriminate?

Being 'in the news' if you will is a major thing most raiders look for. If you are famous, or host fascists *DO NOT* or anything like that with only a couple endorsements you're dead as a doornail but for the most part big regions- TBH, LWU, AST, etc.- won't go for you if you ain't famous.

That being said We did get raided once by a small group and our friends Kelios got raided by the aforementioned LWU but were freed, thank g-d
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Postby Fort Viorlia » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:41 pm

Just create a normal region.
I don’t know what’s up with all these people rushing to create a frontier.

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Postby Ancientania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:47 pm

Fort Viorlia wrote:Just create a normal region.
I don’t know what’s up with all these people rushing to create a frontier.

My reason goes a little something like this:

Most people, unless they are puppets, like to stay in the region they spawned in. This includes many of the people in my region. In fact, the only reason I left was because my region, The Apolean Frontiers, was dying. For reference, I left in June.

Bbut think of it- the next Simonia, Val Z, or other famous person would spawn somewhere- wouldn't it be nice to have it in your own region?
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Postby Jabberwocky » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:55 pm

Ancientania wrote:
Fort Viorlia wrote:Most people, unless they are puppets, like to stay in the region they spawned in. This includes many of the people in my region. In fact, the only reason I left was because my region, The Apolean Frontiers, was dying. For reference, I left in June.

I must respectfully disagree. As our region's top recruiter, I see most of our new nations move on. And I try to avoid puppets. I moved around a lot when I was a new nation.
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Postby Ancientania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:59 pm

Jabberwocky wrote:I must respectfully disagree. As our region's top recruiter, I see most of our new nations move on. And I try to avoid puppets. I moved around a lot when I was a new nation.

Most nations assume they stay on NS total. If they stay on NS, then we've got say about... give or take 40 nations who've lived here for a long time? About 7 of those moved, though (no puppets counted) but a lot of those don't even post but it's getting better. 'Tis nice.

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Postby East Chimore » Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:02 pm

I came I saw I conquered wrote:Is avoiding conflict or controversy enough? Are raiders indiscriminate?

Every raider organization has their own criteria, but by and large if it is raidable (i.e. have an executive WA Delegate) then it is a safe bet the region is on a target list. Of course, as Koth mentioned, reaching out to create Non-Aggression Pacts with indefendants and raiders is about as secure as a frontier can get.
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Postby Ancientania » Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:09 pm

East Chimore wrote:
I came I saw I conquered wrote:Is avoiding conflict or controversy enough? Are raiders indiscriminate?

Every raider organization has their own criteria, but by and large if it is raidable (i.e. have an executive WA Delegate) then it is a safe bet the region is on a target list. Of course, as Koth mentioned, reaching out to create Non-Aggression Pacts with indefendants and raiders is about as secure as a frontier can get.

Unless you have like packs of WA nations, but it takes forever for that to work
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Postby Chaotic Sparkles » Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:59 pm

Ancientania wrote:
East Chimore wrote:Every raider organization has their own criteria, but by and large if it is raidable (i.e. have an executive WA Delegate) then it is a safe bet the region is on a target list. Of course, as Koth mentioned, reaching out to create Non-Aggression Pacts with indefendants and raiders is about as secure as a frontier can get.

Unless you have like packs of WA nations, but it takes forever for that to work

manual recruitment, api recruitment, and stamp recruitment are all forms of recruitment that can be utilized by frontiers no different than any other region to bolster numbers. relying solely on current numbers through spawns will not be enough in the long run from my own observations. it may take time but ultimately it is a small price to pay for the appealing reward at the end of the road.

dealing with raiders can end you even if it keeps them off your back because defenders dont like those who acknowledge our existence beyond classifying us as a threat,
likewise i personally only find myself encouraged to raid someone explicitly defended by defenders and/or anti-raider (see:ULTRA).
the only way you can truly ensure not drawing the particular ire of either is building up endorsements much like concord did before it became a frontier and then transitioning afterwards. it does not have to be a mountain nearly as tall, but definitely one less appealing than the many others out there.
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Postby I came I saw I conquered » Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:49 pm

Based on what I've seen. Large scale multiregional raids and region destruction seem to be for only fascist or for aggressive actions. Can large scale raids happen without a motive or a provocation?

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Postby Notanam » Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:57 pm

I came I saw I conquered wrote:Based on what I've seen. Large scale multiregional raids and region destruction seem to be for only fascist or for aggressive actions. Can large scale raids happen without a motive or a provocation?

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