Why are Fascist Countries / Regions so hated?

[Arkhengelskz]

why am I not surprised an actual fascist showed up lol

Your thread about how people should tolerate your roleplay fascism resulted in a real fascist feeling welcome in the space you created.

This should demonstrate the exact point people here are trying to get through to you.

Or maybe it's just a troll? Like the two or three others that came through here? Besides, a forum post is hardly a 'space I've created,' If no one responded and got the discussion going then they probably never would have seen it. Not trying to shift blame, but I didn't create a safe space for fascists by making a forum post.

Besides, I'm just talking about fascism RP. Not real fascism. I think people just don't like the term. You can be fascist (in game), have a fascist governent, etc but as long as you don't call it that no one bats an eye.

[Holy Patagonia]

Because fascism at its very core is violent, divisive, imperialistic, and oppressive. It promotes the conquest and genocide of others to establish state superiority and seeks to end individual freedoms of its own people to instill ultra-nationalism, sometimes via horrendous methods.

It is a cruel and unusual set of ideals born from desperation and anger and history has proven it's basically a lose-lose situation for all involved.

Communist regimes are also violent, and many have engaged in ethnic cleansing.

While this is true, it's kind of missing the point. Communist nations have engaged in ethnic cleansing, but ethnic cleansing is not a core belief of Communism. It is, however, a core belief of fascism.

[United Bongo States of America]

Lord have mercy on us sinners.

[Archinstinct]

Even so, I can probably count the amount of times "we're just roleplaying" turned out to actually just be roleplaying on one hand, and I've been here nearly 7 years personally.

Mainly because anyone actually just RPing what could be described as a fascist country is generally doing it much more originally, and much more removed from the gameplay community, than any of the chucklefucks who claim it's just roleplay or, indeed, put the fascist tag on their region.

I thought they were though

I can’t think of anywhere in reputable portions of NS where this isn’t the case.

Do most people even know what nazbols are? Feels like something that wouldn't be that widespread knowledge, even in NS.

It's seen a revival from the russian propaganda machine because the ukraine war. FYI, you see somebody professing to follow duginism or saying they're a duginist, treat them as you would treat a fascist.

npr article plus youtube video which explains what the new variant of russian marxism-fascism wtf-ever is, and google search result for those who don't know.

[Free Algerstonia]

Mainly because anyone actually just RPing what could be described as a fascist country is generally doing it much more originally, and much more removed from the gameplay community, than any of the chucklefucks who claim it's just roleplay or, indeed, put the fascist tag on their region.Do most people even know what nazbols are? Feels like something that wouldn't be that widespread knowledge, even in NS.

It's seen a revival from the russian propaganda machine because the ukraine war. FYI, you see somebody professing to follow duginism or saying they're a duginist, treat them as you would treat a fascist.

npr article plus youtube video which explains what the new variant of russian marxism-fascism wtf-ever is, and google search result for those who don't know.

god how much time do you have to waste to watch hours long youtube videos, nobody is going to watch an hour and a half long youtube video on the fourth theory

[Bolshevik Natsoc]

Your thread about how people should tolerate your roleplay fascism resulted in a real fascist feeling welcome in the space you created.

This should demonstrate the exact point people here are trying to get through to you.

Or maybe it's just a troll? Like the two or three others that came through here? Besides, a forum post is hardly a 'space I've created,' If no one responded and got the discussion going then they probably never would have seen it. Not trying to shift blame, but I didn't create a safe space for fascists by making a forum post.

Besides, I'm just talking about fascism RP. Not real fascism. I think people just don't like the term. You can be fascist (in game), have a fascist governent, etc but as long as you don't call it that no one bats an eye.

why did you ban me from your region??

[Rivogna]

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[-Pashtunistan]

It makes sense, fascism is very bad, but I still think its weird that Stalinist tankists are completely accepted, as are supporters of the Kim regime in North Korea.

Once again, It's a case of "Rules for thee, but not for me". But in this case, "Accountability for thee, but not for me"

[Arkhengelskz]

Or maybe it's just a troll? Like the two or three others that came through here? Besides, a forum post is hardly a 'space I've created,' If no one responded and got the discussion going then they probably never would have seen it. Not trying to shift blame, but I didn't create a safe space for fascists by making a forum post.

Besides, I'm just talking about fascism RP. Not real fascism. I think people just don't like the term. You can be fascist (in game), have a fascist governent, etc but as long as you don't call it that no one bats an eye.

why did you ban me from your region??

You're a nazbol, aka literally RPing as a Nazi. That, I cannot tolerate. Even says it in the region. I'm gonna assume you're new because your nation is a few hours old. Fascist, as many people in this thread have stated, has a stigma to it. Deserved or not, you will get some flak for it. Even most people who RP fascist won't defend National Socialism or Nazbol. (Like you are) Most people on here wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole, unless its to tell you how horrible you are, or they're just as horrible.

I hope your nation doesn't match you IRL beliefs. You're welcome to join my region under different nation, but no nazis, nor any variant, are allowed. That also goes for real fascists, if that's you then you can get lost.

[Bolshevik Natsoc]

bro how are you gonna say "fascists allowed' and then ban me over a fascist ideology lmao

Hypocrite much?

[Artimos]

why did you ban me from your region??

You're a nazbol, aka literally RPing as a Nazi. That, I cannot tolerate. Even says it in the region. I'm gonna assume you're new because your nation is a few hours old. Fascist, as many people in this thread have stated, has a stigma to it. Deserved or not, you will get some flak for it. Even most people who RP fascist won't defend National Socialism or Nazbol. (Like you are) Most people on here wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole, unless its to tell you how horrible you are, or they're just as horrible.

I hope your nation doesn't match you IRL beliefs. You're welcome to join my region under different nation, but no nazis, nor any variant, are allowed. That also goes for real fascists, if that's you then you can get lost.

I don't know why you named a region with the word "Fascist" and then felt entitled to cry when actual fascists come in and/or people begin to complain.

[Arkhengelskz]

You're a nazbol, aka literally RPing as a Nazi. That, I cannot tolerate. Even says it in the region. I'm gonna assume you're new because your nation is a few hours old. Fascist, as many people in this thread have stated, has a stigma to it. Deserved or not, you will get some flak for it. Even most people who RP fascist won't defend National Socialism or Nazbol. (Like you are) Most people on here wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole, unless its to tell you how horrible you are, or they're just as horrible.

I hope your nation doesn't match you IRL beliefs. You're welcome to join my region under different nation, but no nazis, nor any variant, are allowed. That also goes for real fascists, if that's you then you can get lost.

I don't know why you named a region with the word "Fascist" and then felt entitled to cry when actual fascists come in and/or people begin to complain.

Well, at least in this specific instance, I said no Nazis or Nazbols. He's one of those, so automatic ban. I also said no IRL Fascists. And to be fair to the guy we have no idea if he's a real fascist or not. Doubt he would admit it either way, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

[PhilTech]

As long as you play it smart then we, I, have no problem with that. We have a long time (respected) member here in our region who plays as a fascist nation, guess who and see, you'll find him "clean".

[Bolshevik Natsoc]

Make it make sense bro.

So fascism isn't okay, got it. But also fascism is okay?

Or is fascism okay, but some kinds of it aren't?

Wait wait, but 'real' fascism is bad? Tf are you doing then? fake fascism?

[New Ulaambatar]

Make it make sense bro.

So fascism isn't okay, got it. But also fascism is okay?

Or is fascism okay, but some kinds of it aren't?

Wait wait, but 'real' fascism is bad? Tf are you doing then? fake fascism?

bro its pretty cut and dry. fascism doesn't inherently involve genocide and stuff, nazism DOES. Nazbols included.

What they mean with "real fascists" is people who are fascists in real life.

[HISPIDA]

fascist countries and regions are rightfully hated because fascism is rightfully hated

[Technoscience Leftwing]

Absolutely all political regimes and parties have acted through violence, since politics presupposes organized violence (the organs of violence are not only informal groups, but also the police and the army, violence remains violence even when it is committed according to the law and for the sake of the law). At the same time, violence often took on huge proportions for all groups: bourgeois-democratic regimes dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Bolsheviks and Jacobins exterminated adherents of the old regime, Christians gave rise to crusades and Inquisition, Muslims jihad, etc. Only supporters of Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi refused violence, and in the latter case, they had to abandon the principle of nonviolence, creating an army and police to forcefully counter Pakistan and local separatists.

If everyone practices violence, then fascists are hated not for violence at all - but for their social purpose, for their image of the future. And this goal is a hierarchy that permeates the whole society: the domination of the chosen nation over foreigners, fascist leaders over the nation, capitalists over workers, men and elders over wives and juniors. Nietzsche cited as an ideal the caste "laws of Manu", under which the lower castes are absolutely disenfranchised and live in constant suffering. Fascism is trying to hide this caste oppression under the slogan of "the welfare of the whole nation," but even within the nation, the caste division is escalating and bringing suffering to the oppressed majority.

And most of the readers of the forum identify themselves just with the oppressed majority, with the plebs - after all, there are not Fuhrers and billionaires sitting here. That's why they don't like fascists, and this is good - it means that the players are aware of their interests as egalitarian, whether in a Christian form ("there is neither a Greek nor a Jew"), in a communist ("to each according to needs"), in an anarchist (self-government of equal comrades), or bourgeois-democratic ("equality all before the law").

As for the fascist regions in a role-playing game, or during historical reconstructions, perhaps it is useful for study history, or even to create a dystopia, the kind of which will alienate readers from fascist practice. After all, these are not political organizations, and they do not claim power in the state. This is just a virtual model created for cognitive purposes.

[Wehlin]

Absolutely all political regimes and parties have acted through violence, since politics presupposes organized violence (the organs of violence are not only informal groups, but also the police and the army, violence remains violence even when it is committed according to the law and for the sake of the law). At the same time, violence often took on huge proportions for all groups: bourgeois-democratic regimes dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Bolsheviks and Jacobins exterminated adherents of the old regime, Christians gave rise to crusades and Inquisition, Muslims jihad, etc. Only supporters of Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi refused violence, and in the latter case, they had to abandon the principle of nonviolence, creating an army and police to forcefully counter Pakistan and local separatists.

If everyone practices violence, then fascists are hated not for violence at all - but for their social purpose, for their image of the future. And this goal is a hierarchy that permeates the whole society: the domination of the chosen nation over foreigners, fascist leaders over the nation, capitalists over workers, men and elders over wives and juniors. Nietzsche cited as an ideal the caste "laws of Manu", under which the lower castes are absolutely disenfranchised and live in constant suffering. Fascism is trying to hide this caste oppression under the slogan of "the welfare of the whole nation," but even within the nation, the caste division is escalating and bringing suffering to the oppressed majority.

And most of the readers of the forum identify themselves just with the oppressed majority, with the plebs - after all, there are not Fuhrers and billionaires sitting here. That's why they don't like fascists, and this is good - it means that the players are aware of their interests as egalitarian, whether in a Christian form ("there is neither a Greek nor a Jew"), in a communist ("to each according to needs"), in an anarchist (self-government of equal comrades), or bourgeois-democratic ("equality all before the law").

As for the fascist regions in a role-playing game, or during historical reconstructions, perhaps it is useful for study history, or even to create a dystopia, the kind of which will alienate readers from fascist practice. After all, these are not political organizations, and they do not claim power in the state. This is just a virtual model created for cognitive purposes.

This was really well said, IMO.

[Reploid Productions]

why did you ban me from your region??

You're a nazbol, aka literally RPing as a Nazi. That, I cannot tolerate. Even says it in the region. I'm gonna assume you're new because your nation is a few hours old. Fascist, as many people in this thread have stated, has a stigma to it. Deserved or not, you will get some flak for it. Even most people who RP fascist won't defend National Socialism or Nazbol. (Like you are) Most people on here wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole, unless its to tell you how horrible you are, or they're just as horrible.

I hope your nation doesn't match you IRL beliefs. You're welcome to join my region under different nation, but no nazis, nor any variant, are allowed. That also goes for real fascists, if that's you then you can get lost.

Might I suggest you stop hitting yourself then? It's quite poor form to puppetwank to try and score points in a debate.

[The Grand World Order]

Fash regions make actual fascists think they’re welcome and are permitted to politick here. Indeed, the region was probably only intended for edgy roleplay, but those who conduct those “raids” can tell better stories than I can of actual fascists among us.

I am, though, and there's nothing you can do about it unless and until the actual site policy changes.

Because they aren't Fascist, they're a front for NatSoc. They don't use futurist aesthetics, they use NatSoc aesthetics. They don't attempt to implement corporatism, extracontinentalism, party-serve-state or any other Fascist ideals. They implement autocracy with NatSoc ideals.
Much like their critics, they don't know what Fascism is nor what it's supposed to look like. "Big bad" trope is assumed if any type of roleplay or regional identity is even attempted.

Pretty much this. Most "Fascists" on NS end up not really being anything but just super racists and trolls, generally more libertarian than anything else if they even have coherent worldviews.

Because fascism at its very core is violent, divisive, imperialistic, and oppressive. It promotes the conquest and genocide of others to establish state superiority and seeks to end individual freedoms of its own people to instill ultra-nationalism, sometimes via horrendous methods.

It is a cruel and unusual set of ideals born from desperation and anger and history has proven it's basically a lose-lose situation for all involved.

There's also China apologists, Communists, unironic Satanists, Z-fetishists, and neoliberals who think neoliberalism's failures can be solved by killing DA FASH/DA DEMS/[enter political group here].

[Glagoly]

I'm a fascist. I support racial cleansing and deportation based on race and ethnicity, racist. But at the same time, I am a very intelligent, hard-working and talented person.

See how easy it is? Now, any person reading this will think that this is indeed the case, even though there is no hard evidence. This is affected by my flag and the classification of my state. The brain has already built a “logical story” and believed it, ignoring insufficient information.

If I had put the last words in the first paragraph first, the previous reaction to me and my words would have been milder.

You... seriously thought just throwing "I support racial cleansing" out there was at all a good idea? And that ANY order of that statement with the rest of the post would somehow get a milder response?

*** Glagoly, 3-day ban for trollling. ***

I seem to have been completely misunderstood. But this is exactly the confirmation of my words. What I said is not true, it is an absolute lie. However, this is a great example of how easy it is to manipulate society. That's what I wanted to convey. I hope I succeeded.

[Glagoly]

why am I not surprised an actual fascist showed up lol

Your thread about how people should tolerate your roleplay fascism resulted in a real fascist feeling welcome in the space you created.

This should demonstrate the exact point people here are trying to get through to you.

As I thought, I was indeed mistaken for a fascist. Why am I not surprised?)

[Free Algerstonia]

You... seriously thought just throwing "I support racial cleansing" out there was at all a good idea? And that ANY order of that statement with the rest of the post would somehow get a milder response?

*** Glagoly, 3-day ban for trollling. ***

I seem to have been completely misunderstood. But this is exactly the confirmation of my words. What I said is not true, it is an absolute lie. However, this is a great example of how easy it is to manipulate society. That's what I wanted to convey. I hope I succeeded.

you fooled me, bravo

[The Aituia]

fascism=bad

/thread

Give me one thing that the Germans have done a great contribution to the world (other than lowering the carbon emissions used, or something, I don't speak geography.)

[Portzania]

fascism=bad

/thread

Give me one thing that the Germans have done a great contribution to the world (other than lowering the carbon emissions used, or something, I don't speak geography.)

GERMANS DID NOTHING RIGHT