Why are Fascist Countries / Regions so hated?

[Pifferian osterreich]

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[The Great Nevada Overlord]

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

We're talking about the regions and most of us say it's because fascism is bad but apparently some of us disagree so bit of a side tangent, but still connected

[Temple State]

about that last point (it's undeniable that the USSR was behind population transfers, i'm not going to argue that): the VKP(b) did actually try to aid especially ukraine but their hands were pretty tide given that the exportation of grain was a major driving force in the mechanization of industry, industrialization of the army, electrification of the country, and other goals of the five-year plans which were undeniably the biggest factors in the soviet union's defeat of nazi germany just over a decade later

stalin personally approved an ordinance in 1933 that lowered the grain levies from ukraine by ~14 thousand tons, with central soviet authorities giving over 400,000 poods (about 6,552 metric tons) in total to both odessa and dnipropetrovsk (both receiving around 200,000 poods) by february of 1933, with dnipropetrovsk receiving an extra million and odessa receiving 800 thousand a few weeks later. between february and june of 1933 the soviet government aided ukraine with over 35 million poods, comprising half of soviet agricultural aid, primarily given to the hardest affected areas. the ukrainian government ordered that starving peasants be housed with the wounded and ill, which provided them greater nutritional intake.

most of the food aid that was withheld (especially in kazakhstan) was by local officials, not the central soviet government, such as levon mirzoyan, first secretary of the communist party of kazakhstan. stalin and the politburo definitely tried to alleviate the ukrainian and kazakh famines during the hardest years of 1933. it's not that hard to research!


don't disparage alger's good name like that. he's a national hero

I don't know much about the Holodomor and less about the Kazakh famine so I won't argue this point.

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

God is either completely made up or cruel unfeeling asshole. He sent Native Americans to hell in 1 AD for not believing in him a millenia and a half before they even knew he existed. He's playing a sick joke on us if he even does exist. Which of course, there is no reason to believe he does, because we have no evidence other than a 2000 year old book that has been changed hundreds of times to fit various narratives that just says "trust me bro". Fascism is a dictatorship at it's very best and Dictatorship is unforgivable. But it's never just dictatorship. It's always Racist, ultranationalistic, anti-worker, anti-freedom of speech, etc. It's against the very nature of human existance, being corporatist, and anti-freedom. It suppresses the human spirit and makes it impossible to speak your own mind about your situation and turns you into essentially drones that work and work and die. Regardless, just because you like Fascism does not make it inherently correct. Other people will very much disagree with you and want a different system if it is implimented. But they can't, because Fascism is anti-democratic. It's forcing your ideals on others on top of literally everything else.

It says "Gott Mit Uns" in your signature, lol.

You have no idea who God graced or not with salvation. It says in Romans even the heathens can be saved if they have the Law written in their hearts.

The Fascist economies were the first to legislate 40 hour work weeks and 8 hour work days afaik. And paid vacation. They were not anti-worker. Your slander does not hold up to historical scrutiny.

And a Corporate Chamber is much better than a liberal parliament.

I stand by what I said. You believe in lies.

[Portzania]

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

Not denying Mussolini was a bad person, but haile selassie was no angel either.

[The Dodo Republic]

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

Mussolini just became the mafia the most powerful boss of the land thats it

[Repreteop]

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

Mussolini just became the mafia the most powerful boss of the land thats it

All government is the Mafia.

[The Great Nevada Overlord]

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

Not denying Mussolini was a bad person, but haile selassie was no angel either.

But no matter what, two wrongs don't make a right.

[Holy Patagonia]

No. I'm not researching when your account was made because I don't care. You sound like a really bad troll. Fascism is harmful and stupid, and should've died with the bullet in the tiny brain of Mussolini.

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

Rich that the fascist is the one talking about believing lies

[Portzania]

Not denying Mussolini was a bad person, but haile selassie was no angel either.

But no matter what, two wrongs don't make a right.

Of course, I'm not saying that.

[Repreteop]

No. I'm not researching when your account was made because I don't care. You sound like a really bad troll. Fascism is harmful and stupid, and should've died with the bullet in the tiny brain of Mussolini.

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

Gods not on your side and only mistakes were atheism don't fit in the same post.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

I don't know much about the Holodomor and less about the Kazakh famine so I won't argue this point.
God is either completely made up or cruel unfeeling asshole. He sent Native Americans to hell in 1 AD for not believing in him a millenia and a half before they even knew he existed. He's playing a sick joke on us if he even does exist. Which of course, there is no reason to believe he does, because we have no evidence other than a 2000 year old book that has been changed hundreds of times to fit various narratives that just says "trust me bro". Fascism is a dictatorship at it's very best and Dictatorship is unforgivable. But it's never just dictatorship. It's always Racist, ultranationalistic, anti-worker, anti-freedom of speech, etc. It's against the very nature of human existance, being corporatist, and anti-freedom. It suppresses the human spirit and makes it impossible to speak your own mind about your situation and turns you into essentially drones that work and work and die. Regardless, just because you like Fascism does not make it inherently correct. Other people will very much disagree with you and want a different system if it is implimented. But they can't, because Fascism is anti-democratic. It's forcing your ideals on others on top of literally everything else.

It says "Gott Mit Uns" in your signature, lol.

You have no idea who God graced or not with salvation. It says in Romans even the heathens can be saved if they have the Law written in their hearts.

The Fascist economies were the first to legislate 40 hour work weeks and 8 hour work days afaik. And paid vacation. They were not anti-worker. Your slander does not hold up to historical scrutiny.

And a Corporate Chamber is much better than a liberal parliament.

I stand by what I said. You believe in lies.

I used to be moreso into nation RP than talking on forums about this stuff, so that's for my IC nation. I'm agnostic IRL.

Maybe it does, but does preaching against God not also get you hell?

Source? The U.S. was the first to implement eight hour work days for government employees in 1869, and the 40-hour work week was implemented in 1940 (in the US).

A corporate chamber is not better than a liberal parliament. Corporations have no interest in improving the lives of their employees or paying them a good wage, because they make less money. This already happens in America, it'd be many times worse under fascism.

Well, that's funny, You believe in lies. It's almost like arguments require two people to disagree. Drop the "holier than thou" bullshit because you are outright supporting Mussolini's murders of Ethiopians and oppression in his colonial holdings as well as much more.

Oh, BTW, God told the israelites to murder every single man and woman in the city of Jericho in cold blood in their conquest of canaan. Not very merciful, eh?

[Temple State]

It says "Gott Mit Uns" in your signature, lol.

You have no idea who God graced or not with salvation. It says in Romans even the heathens can be saved if they have the Law written in their hearts.

The Fascist economies were the first to legislate 40 hour work weeks and 8 hour work days afaik. And paid vacation. They were not anti-worker. Your slander does not hold up to historical scrutiny.

And a Corporate Chamber is much better than a liberal parliament.

I stand by what I said. You believe in lies.

I used to be moreso into nation RP than talking on forums about this stuff, so that's for my IC nation. I'm agnostic IRL.

Maybe it does, but does preaching against God not also get you hell?

Source? The U.S. was the first to implement eight hour work days for government employees in 1869, and the 40-hour work week was implemented in 1940 (in the US).

A corporate chamber is not better than a liberal parliament. Corporations have no interest in improving the lives of their employees or paying them a good wage, because they make less money. This already happens in America, it'd be many times worse under fascism.

Well, that's funny, You believe in lies. It's almost like arguments require two people to disagree. Drop the "holier than thou" bullshit because you are outright supporting Mussolini's murders of Ethiopians and oppression in his colonial holdings as well as much more.

Oh, BTW, God told the israelites to murder every single man and woman in the city of Jericho in cold blood in their conquest of canaan. Not very merciful, eh?

I am not preaching against God, you are.

I am talking about mandating 40 and 8 for all workers, public or private. The New Deal of Roosevelt was only imitating Fascist and Social Democratic economies. You'd also be surprised how Fascist-leaning some Social Democrats were, e.g. the SAP of Sweden.

Corporations under corporatism are not the same as current corporations. A better word for the corporatist corporation is 'syndicate'.

Most European countries at the time had African colonies. To blame this on Fascism is hypocrisy.

Trying to hold God accountable to atheist "morality" is a pathetic oxymoron. Since you would only have Darwinism to guide atheist morals you could justify literally anything, just like liberals, commies and nazis did.

Now, to get back on topic. I see a lot of talk about how "most real Fascists on NS are toxic" and etc.
I don't see that in my region, so that must also be lies.

[The Great Nevada Overlord]

I used to be moreso into nation RP than talking on forums about this stuff, so that's for my IC nation. I'm agnostic IRL.

Maybe it does, but does preaching against God not also get you hell?

Source? The U.S. was the first to implement eight hour work days for government employees in 1869, and the 40-hour work week was implemented in 1940 (in the US).

A corporate chamber is not better than a liberal parliament. Corporations have no interest in improving the lives of their employees or paying them a good wage, because they make less money. This already happens in America, it'd be many times worse under fascism.

Well, that's funny, You believe in lies. It's almost like arguments require two people to disagree. Drop the "holier than thou" bullshit because you are outright supporting Mussolini's murders of Ethiopians and oppression in his colonial holdings as well as much more.

Oh, BTW, God told the israelites to murder every single man and woman in the city of Jericho in cold blood in their conquest of canaan. Not very merciful, eh?

I am not preaching against God, you are.

I am talking about mandating 40 and 8 for all workers, public or private. The New Deal of Roosevelt was only imitating Fascist and Social Democratic economies. You'd also be surprised how Fascist-leaning some Social Democrats were, e.g. the SAP of Sweden.

Corporations under corporatism are not the same as current corporations. A better word for the corporstist corporaion is syndicate.

Most European countries at the time had African colonies. To blame this on Fascism is hypocrisy.

Trying to hold God accountable to atheist "morality" is a pathetic oxymoron. Since you only would have Darwinism to guide atheist morals you could literally justify anything, just like commies and nazis did.

Now, to get back on topic. I see a lot of talk about how "most real Fascists on NS are toxic" and etc.
I don't see that in my region, so that must also be lies.

This is the only part I agree with. They might spread alt-right propaganda but man are they the nicest people I've met

How does that work?

Support brutal dictatorships and horrors beyond comprehension.
Kind and chill.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

I used to be moreso into nation RP than talking on forums about this stuff, so that's for my IC nation. I'm agnostic IRL.

Maybe it does, but does preaching against God not also get you hell?

Source? The U.S. was the first to implement eight hour work days for government employees in 1869, and the 40-hour work week was implemented in 1940 (in the US).

A corporate chamber is not better than a liberal parliament. Corporations have no interest in improving the lives of their employees or paying them a good wage, because they make less money. This already happens in America, it'd be many times worse under fascism.

Well, that's funny, You believe in lies. It's almost like arguments require two people to disagree. Drop the "holier than thou" bullshit because you are outright supporting Mussolini's murders of Ethiopians and oppression in his colonial holdings as well as much more.

Oh, BTW, God told the israelites to murder every single man and woman in the city of Jericho in cold blood in their conquest of canaan. Not very merciful, eh?

I am not preaching against God, you are.

I am talking about mandating 40 and 8 for all workers, public or private. The New Deal of Roosevelt was only imitating Fascist and Social Democratic economies. You'd also be surprised how Fascist-leaning some Social Democrats were, e.g. the SAP of Sweden.

Corporations under corporatism are not the same as current corporations. A better word for the corporstist corporaion is syndicate.

Most European countries at the time had African colonies. To blame this on Fascism is hypocrisy.

Trying to hold God accountable to atheist "morality" is a pathetic oxymoron. Since you only would have Darwinism to guide atheist morals you could literally justify anything, just like commies and nazis did.

Now, to get back on topic. I see a lot of talk about how "most real Fascists on NS are toxic" and etc.
I don't see that in my region, so that must also be lies.

Oh, then Illinois made the 8-hour work day mandatory for everyone in 1889.

No, because that's called Syndicalism.

But you are saying it is good. You never mentions his blatant racism and genocide as negatives.

No, I have the social landscape for my morals. I know Murder is bad, I know assault is bad. Athiests don't just look at what makes them live longer, we're moral just like you. The idea that athiests are all immoral monsters driven only by "survival of the fittest" is a classic religious strawman that doesn't hold up against any scrutiny. And god can justify immoral things too, like, again, genociding an entire town of people? That's objectively awful, but god told you to!

That's an anecdote. Most fascists are toxic, just because you don't think yours are doesn't change the rest of them.

[Sedgistan]

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[United Calanworie]

That other moderator would be me. Trawl in progress.

EDIT: And let the bloodbath commence

fascism=bad

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Give me one thing that the Germans have done a great contribution to the world (other than lowering the carbon emissions used, or something, I don't speak geography.)

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Genuine question for anyone in this thread:

Let's say a group is ultra-imperialist, with a strong desire to enslave the entire world's population to assigned supportive roles, with intent to have total control over every resource, and encourage everyone who questions its intentions to die violently. Does this represent Fascism or can it be something else?

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Genuine question for anyone in this thread:

Let's say a group is ultra-imperialist, with a strong desire to enslave the entire world's population to assigned supportive roles, with intent to have total control over every resource, and encourage everyone who questions its intentions to die violently. Does this represent Fascism or can it be something else?

Sounds more communist

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why am I not surprised an actual fascist showed up lol

NOT LOL. THIS IS BAD PEOPLE!

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What?
Communist were some of the most vocal against any exploitation of the working class. Slavery is a no go.
If any thing its sounds like a recap of any western nation.

They said it sounds communist, because they have no idea what communism is.

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1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

Mussolini just became the mafia the most powerful boss of the land thats it

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I don’t even know what fascist means if it’s not nazi.
I think the word fascist now means nazi.
Find another word for what you say is an authoritarian but not an inherently meth driven genocidal human catastrophe.

*insert ACKSHUALY picture*

Technically fascism doesn't need genocide. Just assimilation or deportation.

Nzism is only genocide.

Doesn't make it any better but there are still M I N O R differences.

Not denying Mussolini was a bad person, but haile selassie was no angel either.

But no matter what, two wrongs don't make a right.

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

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I am not preaching against God, you are.

I am talking about mandating 40 and 8 for all workers, public or private. The New Deal of Roosevelt was only imitating Fascist and Social Democratic economies. You'd also be surprised how Fascist-leaning some Social Democrats were, e.g. the SAP of Sweden.

Corporations under corporatism are not the same as current corporations. A better word for the corporstist corporaion is syndicate.

Most European countries at the time had African colonies. To blame this on Fascism is hypocrisy.

Trying to hold God accountable to atheist "morality" is a pathetic oxymoron. Since you only would have Darwinism to guide atheist morals you could literally justify anything, just like commies and nazis did.

Now, to get back on topic. I see a lot of talk about how "most real Fascists on NS are toxic" and etc.
I don't see that in my region, so that must also be lies.

Oh, then Illinois made the 8-hour work day mandatory for everyone in 1889.

No, because that's called Syndicalism.

But you are saying it is good. You never mentions his blatant racism and genocide as negatives.

No, I have the social landscape for my morals. I know Murder is bad, I know assault is bad. Athiests don't just look at what makes them live longer, we're moral just like you. The idea that athiests are all immoral monsters driven only by "survival of the fittest" is a classic religious strawman that doesn't hold up against any scrutiny. And god can justify immoral things too, like, again, genociding an entire town of people? That's objectively awful, but god told you to!

That's an anecdote. Most fascists are toxic, just because you don't think yours are doesn't change the rest of them.

Well i mean our ideology doesnt state that other people are inferior....nor do we (generally) commend the genocide and/or enslavement of anyone anywhere. A political purge is not genocide its more like maintenance. I personally believe there should be purges in most political arenas every decade or so...not killing of course but just fire the politicians that have been there too long. At our core Stalinist want peace, stability, and industry for all people. Facist just want the superior race to crush everything.





Also is this thread real? Like it isnt one of those edgy "Playing devils advocate" threads?

Stalin committed his fair share of Genocide and even ignoring that he certainly wasn't some friend of non-russians. He resettled 5 million people, many of which were Poles, Germans, Estonians, Ukrainians, and others. He might not have purposefully caused the Holodomor or the Kazakh Famine but he sure as hell didn't try very hard to stop it.

Because Fascism is good, right and true while most people are wicked, wrong and love lies.
And crying on your RMB for not getting enough larpers there is pathetic.

Also, as some have already pointed out, if the contents of Fascism is rebranded as something else it wouldn't meet with even a fraction of the resistance. That's why IRL Fascists rarely call themselves Fascists. Just like libs or commies push some single issue narrative about taxes or environment, likewise do we push single issue narratives concerning family values and other ideals of ours.
Ideology in the 21st century, in large part because people have such small attention spans, is dead.

And btw, Hitler was an anglozionist puppet that single-handedly created Israel with the Haavara Agreement. Nazism is cringe.

Very funny, new troll account? You'll fit right in with Algerstonia.

ur not gonna fucking believe this

Also pretty much every single other expansionist world power in history.

Think I've had this account since 2018 at least. Try doing research before cooking up opinions.

No. I'm not researching when your account was made because I don't care. You sound like a really bad troll. Fascism is harmful and stupid, and should've died with the bullet in the tiny brain of Mussolini.

Relocating is not the same as genocide....if the Belgians "Relocated" the (congonese?) people they wouldnt have went down in history for it. Stalin never signed off on any killing. I swear the only reason people even care about that relocation is because they hate communism...If you compare Stalin to any Western leader at the time he looks like a god damned pacifist.

Relocating groups across a large region and (often) working them to death in camps very quickly destroys ethnic groups because they can't sustain their communities, especially with smaller ethnic groups like Cossacks or the Ukrainians that lived in Green, Grey, and Yellow Ukraine. It is genocide. And the difference between your Congo example and this is that the Congo's natives were the only people to live in the region. There were hardly any Belgians in it. So if they relocated half of all Congonese to god knows where, the remaining half still wouldn't have any belgians to compete with. Their communities will survive. But in Russia, Russians lived in the former homelands of these relocated groups.
and regardless, I wasn't saying it was a genocide. I'm saying he definitely didn't care for his minorities. He horribly mistreated them, even if he didn't outright kill them. He abused them and certainly didn't fight for the little guy, at least ethnically.

about that last point (it's undeniable that the USSR was behind population transfers, i'm not going to argue that): the VKP(b) did actually try to aid especially ukraine but their hands were pretty tide given that the exportation of grain was a major driving force in the mechanization of industry, industrialization of the army, electrification of the country, and other goals of the five-year plans which were undeniably the biggest factors in the soviet union's defeat of nazi germany just over a decade later

stalin personally approved an ordinance in 1933 that lowered the grain levies from ukraine by ~14 thousand tons, with central soviet authorities giving over 400,000 poods (about 6,552 metric tons) in total to both odessa and dnipropetrovsk (both receiving around 200,000 poods) by february of 1933, with dnipropetrovsk receiving an extra million and odessa receiving 800 thousand a few weeks later. between february and june of 1933 the soviet government aided ukraine with over 35 million poods, comprising half of soviet agricultural aid, primarily given to the hardest affected areas. the ukrainian government ordered that starving peasants be housed with the wounded and ill, which provided them greater nutritional intake.

most of the food aid that was withheld (especially in kazakhstan) was by local officials, not the central soviet government, such as levon mirzoyan, first secretary of the communist party of kazakhstan. stalin and the politburo definitely tried to alleviate the ukrainian and kazakh famines during the hardest years of 1933. it's not that hard to research!


don't disparage alger's good name like that. he's a national hero

I don't know much about the Holodomor and less about the Kazakh famine so I won't argue this point.

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

God is either completely made up or cruel unfeeling asshole. He sent Native Americans to hell in 1 AD for not believing in him a millenia and a half before they even knew he existed. He's playing a sick joke on us if he even does exist. Which of course, there is no reason to believe he does, because we have no evidence other than a 2000 year old book that has been changed hundreds of times to fit various narratives that just says "trust me bro". Fascism is a dictatorship at it's very best and Dictatorship is unforgivable. But it's never just dictatorship. It's always Racist, ultranationalistic, anti-worker, anti-freedom of speech, etc. It's against the very nature of human existance, being corporatist, and anti-freedom. It suppresses the human spirit and makes it impossible to speak your own mind about your situation and turns you into essentially drones that work and work and die. Regardless, just because you like Fascism does not make it inherently correct. Other people will very much disagree with you and want a different system if it is implimented. But they can't, because Fascism is anti-democratic. It's forcing your ideals on others on top of literally everything else.

God is on everybody's side. He is benevolent, He is all loving, He is all good; to claim as you do that God does not love anyone and is supportive of fascism of all things is unfounded, arguably blasphemous, and undeniably disgusting

Disgusting ideologies like to find ways that they are objectively correct that they think nobody can argue with. Usually that's with either religion (god is on our side) or genetics ([these people] are objectively worse than us because).

It says "Gott Mit Uns" in your signature, lol.

You have no idea who God graced or not with salvation. It says in Romans even the heathens can be saved if they have the Law written in their hearts.

The Fascist economies were the first to legislate 40 hour work weeks and 8 hour work days afaik. And paid vacation. They were not anti-worker. Your slander does not hold up to historical scrutiny.

And a Corporate Chamber is much better than a liberal parliament.

I stand by what I said. You believe in lies.

I used to be moreso into nation RP than talking on forums about this stuff, so that's for my IC nation. I'm agnostic IRL.

Maybe it does, but does preaching against God not also get you hell?

Source? The U.S. was the first to implement eight hour work days for government employees in 1869, and the 40-hour work week was implemented in 1940 (in the US).

A corporate chamber is not better than a liberal parliament. Corporations have no interest in improving the lives of their employees or paying them a good wage, because they make less money. This already happens in America, it'd be many times worse under fascism.

Well, that's funny, You believe in lies. It's almost like arguments require two people to disagree. Drop the "holier than thou" bullshit because you are outright supporting Mussolini's murders of Ethiopians and oppression in his colonial holdings as well as much more.

Oh, BTW, God told the israelites to murder every single man and woman in the city of Jericho in cold blood in their conquest of canaan. Not very merciful, eh?

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Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

Rich that the fascist is the one talking about believing lies

Communist regimes are also violent, and many have engaged in ethnic cleansing.

While this is true, it's kind of missing the point. Communist nations have engaged in ethnic cleansing, but ethnic cleansing is not a core belief of Communism. It is, however, a core belief of fascism.

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I used to be moreso into nation RP than talking on forums about this stuff, so that's for my IC nation. I'm agnostic IRL.

Maybe it does, but does preaching against God not also get you hell?

Source? The U.S. was the first to implement eight hour work days for government employees in 1869, and the 40-hour work week was implemented in 1940 (in the US).

A corporate chamber is not better than a liberal parliament. Corporations have no interest in improving the lives of their employees or paying them a good wage, because they make less money. This already happens in America, it'd be many times worse under fascism.

Well, that's funny, You believe in lies. It's almost like arguments require two people to disagree. Drop the "holier than thou" bullshit because you are outright supporting Mussolini's murders of Ethiopians and oppression in his colonial holdings as well as much more.

Oh, BTW, God told the israelites to murder every single man and woman in the city of Jericho in cold blood in their conquest of canaan. Not very merciful, eh?

I am not preaching against God, you are.

I am talking about mandating 40 and 8 for all workers, public or private. The New Deal of Roosevelt was only imitating Fascist and Social Democratic economies. You'd also be surprised how Fascist-leaning some Social Democrats were, e.g. the SAP of Sweden.

Corporations under corporatism are not the same as current corporations. A better word for the corporatist corporation is 'syndicate'.

Most European countries at the time had African colonies. To blame this on Fascism is hypocrisy.

Trying to hold God accountable to atheist "morality" is a pathetic oxymoron. Since you would only have Darwinism to guide atheist morals you could justify literally anything, just like liberals, commies and nazis did.

Now, to get back on topic. I see a lot of talk about how "most real Fascists on NS are toxic" and etc.
I don't see that in my region, so that must also be lies.

Because Fascism is good, right and true while most people are wicked, wrong and love lies.
And crying on your RMB for not getting enough larpers there is pathetic.

Also, as some have already pointed out, if the contents of Fascism is rebranded as something else it wouldn't meet with even a fraction of the resistance. That's why IRL Fascists rarely call themselves Fascists. Just like libs or commies push some single issue narrative about taxes or environment, likewise do we push single issue narratives concerning family values and other ideals of ours.
Ideology in the 21st century, in large part because people have such small attention spans, is dead.

And btw, Hitler was an anglozionist puppet that single-handedly created Israel with the Haavara Agreement. Nazism is cringe.

No. I'm not researching when your account was made because I don't care. You sound like a really bad troll. Fascism is harmful and stupid, and should've died with the bullet in the tiny brain of Mussolini.

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

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Didn't mussolini convert in his final moments? And he had a better view of religion after his socialist phase?

It was later than his socialist phase but yes afaik he did eventually convert.

God is on everybody's side. He is benevolent, He is all loving, He is all good; to claim as you do that God does not love anyone and is supportive of fascism of all things is unfounded, arguably blasphemous, and undeniably disgusting

Wrong. God annihilated Sodom and Gomorra and you are certainly just pretending to argue from a Christian POV right now.

I don't know much about the Holodomor and less about the Kazakh famine so I won't argue this point.
God is either completely made up or cruel unfeeling asshole. He sent Native Americans to hell in 1 AD for not believing in him a millenia and a half before they even knew he existed. He's playing a sick joke on us if he even does exist. Which of course, there is no reason to believe he does, because we have no evidence other than a 2000 year old book that has been changed hundreds of times to fit various narratives that just says "trust me bro". Fascism is a dictatorship at it's very best and Dictatorship is unforgivable. But it's never just dictatorship. It's always Racist, ultranationalistic, anti-worker, anti-freedom of speech, etc. It's against the very nature of human existance, being corporatist, and anti-freedom. It suppresses the human spirit and makes it impossible to speak your own mind about your situation and turns you into essentially drones that work and work and die. Regardless, just because you like Fascism does not make it inherently correct. Other people will very much disagree with you and want a different system if it is implimented. But they can't, because Fascism is anti-democratic. It's forcing your ideals on others on top of literally everything else.

It says "Gott Mit Uns" in your signature, lol.

You have no idea who God graced or not with salvation. It says in Romans even the heathens can be saved if they have the Law written in their hearts.

The Fascist economies were the first to legislate 40 hour work weeks and 8 hour work days afaik. And paid vacation. They were not anti-worker. Your slander does not hold up to historical scrutiny.

And a Corporate Chamber is much better than a liberal parliament.

I stand by what I said. You believe in lies.

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Give me one thing that the Germans have done a great contribution to the world (other than lowering the carbon emissions used, or something, I don't speak geography.)

GERMANS DID NOTHING RIGHT

Well i mean our ideology doesnt state that other people are inferior....nor do we (generally) commend the genocide and/or enslavement of anyone anywhere. A political purge is not genocide its more like maintenance. I personally believe there should be purges in most political arenas every decade or so...not killing of course but just fire the politicians that have been there too long.





Also is this thread real? Like it isnt one of those edgy "Playing devils advocate" threads?

Stalin quite literally did all of this though, including the genocide and slavery (technically just legal state slavery), so I'm still not sure why people would unironically be an apologist for him outside being an edgy 13 year old that found out about hoi4.

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

Didn't mussolini convert in his final moments? And he had a better view of religion after his socialist phase?

1: I see some stuff about Mussolini and I have to give my two cents.

Mussolini was an abhorrent monster who murdered innocent Ethiopians and persecuted Jewish people fir the fun of it.
Also he didn't get rid of the Mafia.

2: Are we talking about fascist REGIONS or fascism itself? Last time I looked at the thread I thought it was REGIONS.

Not denying Mussolini was a bad person, but haile selassie was no angel either.

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It makes sense, fascism is very bad, but I still think its weird that Stalinist tankists are completely accepted, as are supporters of the Kim regime in North Korea.

Well i mean our ideology doesnt state that other people are inferior....nor do we (generally) commend the genocide and/or enslavement of anyone anywhere. A political purge is not genocide its more like maintenance. I personally believe there should be purges in most political arenas every decade or so...not killing of course but just fire the politicians that have been there too long. At our core Stalinist want peace, stability, and industry for all people. Facist just want the superior race to crush everything.





Also is this thread real? Like it isnt one of those edgy "Playing devils advocate" threads?

Stalin quite literally did all of this though, including the genocide and slavery (technically just legal state slavery), so I'm still not sure why people would unironically be an apologist for him outside being an edgy 13 year old that found out about hoi4.

Because stalin was a bad ass that just stayed in power too long,got paranoid, and ruined his otherwise flawless career.
The political purges happen from what im assuming was some sort of PTSD of WW2...the man shouldnt have been in power after it. They should have fired him like churchill

Genuine question for anyone in this thread:

Let's say a group is ultra-imperialist, with a strong desire to enslave the entire world's population to assigned supportive roles, with intent to have total control over every resource, and encourage everyone who questions its intentions to die violently. Does this represent Fascism or can it be something else?

So long as they arent targeting a specific race or ethnicity i think they are just Imperialist....i could be wrong.

Sounds more communist

What?
Communist were some of the most vocal against any exploitation of the working class. Slavery is a no go.
If any thing its sounds like a recap of any western nation.

Stalin committed his fair share of Genocide and even ignoring that he certainly wasn't some friend of non-russians. He resettled 5 million people, many of which were Poles, Germans, Estonians, Ukrainians, and others. He might not have purposefully caused the Holodomor or the Kazakh Famine but he sure as hell didn't try very hard to stop it.

Very funny, new troll account? You'll fit right in with Algerstonia.

Relocating is not the same as genocide....if the Belgians "Relocated" the (congonese?) people they wouldnt have went down in history for it. Stalin never signed off on any killing. I swear the only reason people even care about that relocation is because they hate communism...If you compare Stalin to any Western leader at the time he looks like a god damned pacifist.

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Mussolini just became the mafia the most powerful boss of the land thats it

All government is the Mafia.

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

Gods not on your side and only mistakes were atheism don't fit in the same post.

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Stalin committed his fair share of Genocide and even ignoring that he certainly wasn't some friend of non-russians. He resettled 5 million people, many of which were Poles, Germans, Estonians, Ukrainians, and others. He might not have purposefully caused the Holodomor or the Kazakh Famine but he sure as hell didn't try very hard to stop it.

about that last point (it's undeniable that the USSR was behind population transfers, i'm not going to argue that): the VKP(b) did actually try to aid especially ukraine but their hands were pretty tide given that the exportation of grain was a major driving force in the mechanization of industry, industrialization of the army, electrification of the country, and other goals of the five-year plans which were undeniably the biggest factors in the soviet union's defeat of nazi germany just over a decade later

stalin personally approved an ordinance in 1933 that lowered the grain levies from ukraine by ~14 thousand tons, with central soviet authorities giving over 400,000 poods (about 6,552 metric tons) in total to both odessa and dnipropetrovsk (both receiving around 200,000 poods) by february of 1933, with dnipropetrovsk receiving an extra million and odessa receiving 800 thousand a few weeks later. between february and june of 1933 the soviet government aided ukraine with over 35 million poods, comprising half of soviet agricultural aid, primarily given to the hardest affected areas. the ukrainian government ordered that starving peasants be housed with the wounded and ill, which provided them greater nutritional intake.

most of the food aid that was withheld (especially in kazakhstan) was by local officials, not the central soviet government, such as levon mirzoyan, first secretary of the communist party of kazakhstan. stalin and the politburo definitely tried to alleviate the ukrainian and kazakh famines during the hardest years of 1933. it's not that hard to research!

Very funny, new troll account? You'll fit right in with Algerstonia.

don't disparage alger's good name like that. he's a national hero

Didn't mussolini convert in his final moments? And he had a better view of religion after his socialist phase?

nmgh

mussolini was weird but fascism as a whole is pretty anti-clerical and vitalist (see: nazi germany and their plans for the church as a prime example) so i wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't genuine but it's kinda hard to say for sure. fascism really views religion as a national and cultural phenomenon than any actual concrete set of principles (although there are definitely some outliers like arguably the iron legion and KKK, and it's not impossible that fascists can be genuinely religious but the ideology as a whole isn't the friendliest to religion)

yes i'm aware this is ironic coming from a christian who is also a maoist but. uh. shut up

Keep believing lies. God is not on your side.
Mussolini's only mistakes were atheism, allying with Hitler and invading the Balkans.

God is on everybody's side. He is benevolent, He is all loving, He is all good; to claim as you do that God does not love anyone and is supportive of fascism of all things is unfounded, arguably blasphemous, and undeniably disgusting

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