Why are Fascist Countries / Regions so hated?

[Fort Concord]

In an ideal world, nazbols would join the fascists in being hated.

I can’t think of anywhere in reputable portions of NS where this isn’t the case.

[Unmet Player]

In an ideal world, nazbols would join the fascists in being hated.

I thought they were though

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Fash regions make actual fascists think they’re welcome and are permitted to politick here. Indeed, the region was probably only intended for edgy roleplay, but those who conduct those “raids” can tell better stories than I can of actual fascists among us.

Even so, I can probably count the amount of times "we're just roleplaying" turned out to actually just be roleplaying on one hand, and I've been here nearly 7 years personally.

Mainly because anyone actually just RPing what could be described as a fascist country is generally doing it much more originally, and much more removed from the gameplay community, than any of the chucklefucks who claim it's just roleplay or, indeed, put the fascist tag on their region.

In an ideal world, nazbols would join the fascists in being hated.

I thought they were though

In an ideal world, nazbols would join the fascists in being hated.

I can’t think of anywhere in reputable portions of NS where this isn’t the case.

Do most people even know what nazbols are? Feels like something that wouldn't be that widespread knowledge, even in NS.

[Unmet Player]

Even so, I can probably count the amount of times "we're just roleplaying" turned out to actually just be roleplaying on one hand, and I've been here nearly 7 years personally.

Mainly because anyone actually just RPing what could be described as a fascist country is generally doing it much more originally, and much more removed from the gameplay community, than any of the chucklefucks who claim it's just roleplay or, indeed, put the fascist tag on their region.

I thought they were though

I can’t think of anywhere in reputable portions of NS where this isn’t the case.

Do most people even know what nazbols are? Feels like something that wouldn't be that widespread knowledge, even in NS.

I wouldn't be surprising if most people dont know what nazbols are, as the movement seems mostly dead from what I can find

[Mlakhavia]

i think it can be quite comfortably established that there are probably like two self-described "nazbols" on the site and they'd all be persona non grata in most mainstream GP if they ever interacted with it, so it's a bit of a non issue

[A m e n r i a]

Japan, that's why.

[Portzania]

Like AN said, Nazi Germany and Japan completely stained the view of fascism ever being an acceptable ideology, even if you don't want to murder millions. The only reason Stalinism/Marxist Leninism is acceptable today for most people is because they beat the bad guys, simple as that. They deposed a selfish tsar regime, beat a schizophrenic salty Austrian man from ww2 and only collapsed pretty recently, 1991 isn't that long from now.

[Durius]

Uh? No!

Lets see, Communism: gulags, regional starvation and basically forced labor; Democracy: has not caused anything directly, but Democratic countries have done some terrible stuff; Fascism: genocide; Anarchists: this one is pretty self-explanatory; Socialism: same as Democracy; Capitalism: work or die from, starvation, lethal injury, dehydration, jailed for homelessness, etc; Monarchies/dictatorships: restricted freedoms, genocide.

plenty of ideologies have done some some bad things, if there was a perfect ideology there wouldnt be so many problems in the world

Plenty of ideologies have done bad things. Some did the most horrible things. Some didn't do nothing.

[Dawn Denac]

Like AN said, Nazi Germany and Japan completely stained the view of fascism ever being an acceptable ideology, even if you don't want to murder millions. The only reason Stalinism/Marxist Leninism is acceptable today for most people is because they beat the bad guys, simple as that. They deposed a selfish tsar regime, beat a schizophrenic salty Austrian man from ww2 and only collapsed pretty recently, 1991 isn't that long from now.

*cough cough* Italy, Mussolini *cough cough*

He was as overt as Germany or Japan with his war crimes (see Spanish Civil War, Italian Libya, Ethiopia) and he was the founding father of fascism as an idea for the most part, Hitler based his Nazism off of Mussolini's fascism. Japan also wasn't...fascist in the way we see it. Its shintoism reinforced loyalty to the Emperor and state with a fanatcism that'd make the Waffen-SS blush, and the Sino-Japanese War's atrocities weren't committed under a fascist regime, but that's diving off topic.

And...this view is an interesting one. Had WW2 gone differently (Trotsky instead of Stalin, perhaps), we might hate communism as much as we hate fascism and its bedfellows for the most part, whether it's Nazism, Italian fascism or yes, even Japanese militarism in the Showa Era. Aside from that, felt the need to highlight the fact that Mussolini had perhaps the biggest role in fascism's existence, it was his brainchild. The Cold War made funny bedfellows though, which leads to the repression of information such as Italy's warcrimes, or the revitalization of the myth of the clean Wehrmacht.

EDIT: Cleaning.

[Arkhengelskz]

You're the Founder of Fascist Peoples Union. The fact that anyone is entertaining you at all is frankly a testament to how bored Gameplay is right now.

The amount of nitpicking and whataboutism from OP makes pretty clear where their leanings/motivations lie. I don't really give a shit about the nonsense before the last sentence of the opening post, so I'm going to respond to that because nothing else is worth responding to. The argument about the servers is actually even more nonsensical than your immediate whataboutisms though, so congrats on that I guess.

I'm not looking for sympathy (well I kinda am)

You won't be getting it.

but rather just some understanding besides the generic "fascism bad IRL, so not acceptable in game either" mindset most people on here seem to have.

That's literally it. What further understanding do you need, except to fuel your desperate nitpicking? The NS Gameplay community has made pretty clear that it does not tolerate far-right ideologies, and will aggressively seek to destroy those communities anywhere we see them rise up. If you're a right-winger that has an issue with your region being targeted for its ideological views, you should probably consider that you're the problem. You will not find a peaceful existence on this site.

Ok just ignore all times I said those weren't my beliefs. Its all RP.

[Portzania]

Like AN said, Nazi Germany and Japan completely stained the view of fascism ever being an acceptable ideology, even if you don't want to murder millions. The only reason Stalinism/Marxist Leninism is acceptable today for most people is because they beat the bad guys, simple as that. They deposed a selfish tsar regime, beat a schizophrenic salty Austrian man from ww2 and only collapsed pretty recently, 1991 isn't that long from now.

*cough cough* Italy, Mussolini *cough cough*

He was as overt as Germany or Japan with his war crimes (see Spanish Civil War, Italian Libya, Ethiopia) and he was the founding father of fascism as an idea for the most part, Hitler based his Nazism off of Mussolini's fascism. Japan also wasn't...fascist in the way we see it. Its shintoism reinforced loyalty to the Emperor and state with a fanatcism that'd make the Waffen-SS blush, and the Sino-Japanese War's atrocities weren't committed under a fascist regime, but that's diving off topic.

And...this view is an interesting one. Had WW2 gone differently (Trotsky instead of Stalin, perhaps), we might hate communism as much as we hate fascism and its bedfellows for the most part, whether it's Nazism, Italian fascism or yes, even Japanese militarism in the Showa Era. Aside from that, felt the need to highlight the fact that Mussolini had perhaps the biggest role in fascism's existence, it was his brainchild. The Cold War made funny bedfellows though, which leads to the repression of information such as Italy's warcrimes, or the revitalization of the myth of the clean Wehrmacht.

EDIT: Cleaning.

Yeah, that's the thing with Mussolini, his crimes, while atrocious, were not as sick and deprived as the nazis, and Italian fascist history was buried under cold war propaganda. This wasn't me denying Italian war crimes, just stating how the world really sees Hitler as the face of fascism now, and not Mussolini.

edit: also didn't help that mussolini was totally incompetent in warfare

[Etrea]

because fascism = bad!!!!!! waaaaaah waaaa waaaaaa i haATE fascists......... boohoo

[Dawn Denac]

*cough cough* Italy, Mussolini *cough cough*

He was as overt as Germany or Japan with his war crimes (see Spanish Civil War, Italian Libya, Ethiopia) and he was the founding father of fascism as an idea for the most part, Hitler based his Nazism off of Mussolini's fascism. Japan also wasn't...fascist in the way we see it. Its shintoism reinforced loyalty to the Emperor and state with a fanatcism that'd make the Waffen-SS blush, and the Sino-Japanese War's atrocities weren't committed under a fascist regime, but that's diving off topic.

And...this view is an interesting one. Had WW2 gone differently (Trotsky instead of Stalin, perhaps), we might hate communism as much as we hate fascism and its bedfellows for the most part, whether it's Nazism, Italian fascism or yes, even Japanese militarism in the Showa Era. Aside from that, felt the need to highlight the fact that Mussolini had perhaps the biggest role in fascism's existence, it was his brainchild. The Cold War made funny bedfellows though, which leads to the repression of information such as Italy's warcrimes, or the revitalization of the myth of the clean Wehrmacht.

EDIT: Cleaning.

Yeah, that's the thing with Mussolini, his crimes, while atrocious, were not as sick and deprived as the nazis, and Italian fascist history was buried under cold war propaganda. This wasn't me denying Italian war crimes, just stating how the world really sees Hitler as the face of fascism now, and not Mussolini.

edit: also didn't help that mussolini was totally incompetent in warfare

Oh, didn't mean to insinuate you were, man.

But yeah, valid point.

[Syberis]

You're the Founder of Fascist Peoples Union. The fact that anyone is entertaining you at all is frankly a testament to how bored Gameplay is right now.

The amount of nitpicking and whataboutism from OP makes pretty clear where their leanings/motivations lie. I don't really give a shit about the nonsense before the last sentence of the opening post, so I'm going to respond to that because nothing else is worth responding to. The argument about the servers is actually even more nonsensical than your immediate whataboutisms though, so congrats on that I guess.


You won't be getting it.



That's literally it. What further understanding do you need, except to fuel your desperate nitpicking? The NS Gameplay community has made pretty clear that it does not tolerate far-right ideologies, and will aggressively seek to destroy those communities anywhere we see them rise up. If you're a right-winger that has an issue with your region being targeted for its ideological views, you should probably consider that you're the problem. You will not find a peaceful existence on this site.

Ok just ignore all times I said those weren't my beliefs. Its all RP.

Too bad. People have said "It's all RP" for years as a shroud for RL fascist beliefs and active recruitment into RL fascist ideologies and organizations. The benefit of the doubt when it comes to organized roleplay died about 15-16 years ago.

I doubt you're telling the truth. Even if you were, there have been enough people in your boat who lied through their teeth that gameplay as a whole has learned not to trust you. The Fash Who Cried Roleplay is a classic NSop's Fable.

[Portzania]

Ok just ignore all times I said those weren't my beliefs. Its all RP.

Too bad. People have said "It's all RP" for years as a shroud for RL fascist beliefs and active recruitment into RL fascist ideologies and organizations. The benefit of the doubt when it comes to organized roleplay died about 15-16 years ago.

I doubt you're telling the truth. Even if you were, there have been enough people in your boat who lied through their teeth that gameplay as a whole has learned not to trust you. The Fash Who Cried Roleplay is a classic NSop's Fable.

ok

[Arkhengelskz]

Ok just ignore all times I said those weren't my beliefs. Its all RP.

Too bad. People have said "It's all RP" for years as a shroud for RL fascist beliefs and active recruitment into RL fascist ideologies and organizations. The benefit of the doubt when it comes to organized roleplay died about 15-16 years ago.

I doubt you're telling the truth. Even if you were, there have been enough people in your boat who lied through their teeth that gameplay as a whole has learned not to trust you. The Fash Who Cried Roleplay is a classic NSop's Fable.

It's ignorant to judge a person because of a group they're part of. That's the guiding principal behind racism and other ideas held by real nazis and fascists.

Go on a case by case basis instead of judging me based on others' mistakes.

[Galactic Powers]

Because people want to pretend they are doing some great good to the world, so they beat up a bunch of dead regions and cal it Antifa.

[Untecna]

Part of the OP states other "bad" ideologies, some of which aren't ideologies but are instead forms of government. That isn't what I would be addressing.

Right, so let's lay this down: Fascism, especially in the cases of Nazism, is inherently hurtful. Part of its ideology, even if that ideology evolved over time, is generally a nationalist, racist, and violent stance.

Compare that to socialism at its core. Socialism doesn't call for that (You could try and argue that a "revolution" would be similar, but it wouldn't. A revolution doesn't necessitate violence, nor does the ideology actively call for violence or racism directly).

Socialist governments have been prone to committing genocide, yes, but that doesn't necessarily stand as a component of socialism as a whole. That is an important distinction to make.

In addition, fascist ideologies don't exist on mainstream political scales today, and generally, they do not stand as legitimate ideologies. Contrast that to socialism, which has a foothold in many countries and remains relevant today. That's something else to distinguish - socialism is still presentable and holds its weight, whereas fascism is long dead in mainstream politics.

If you want to ask why these regions are so hated, it's due to the above, plus the fact that they attract real fascists and those whom we so cutely call "summerposters"; i.e those who come from 4chan every summer when school gets off to be "edgy".

[Laasmistan]

Fascism purely as a roleplay/in-character gimmick is fine. Actually being fascist is not. Unfortunately it seems to usually be the latter around here. I think that's why those nations and regions are viewed with such disdain.

[Comfed]

Go on a case by case basis instead of judging me based on others' mistakes.

ok. I see that you have decided to create a region called "Fascist Peoples Union" devoted explicitly to fascism and your only justification for doing so is tu quoque arguments about other ideologies. Therefore, I judge that you are a fascist. I really don't understand how this is so unreasonable to you.

[The Great Nevada Overlord]

I made a post earlier in the thread that was mainly a joke but I figured that I should add my actual opinion.

I think fascism in all forms is despised on NS because you don't know who is fascist and who isn't.

For me, I'm a liberal Democrat Biden supporter.
For TGNO, it's an Alt-Right Neo-Fascist prison.

As I and many others make it apparent that we are JUST JOKING, others don't do that.

So you don't really know if that fash roleplayer is just joshing or if they are actually a NatSoc.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

if you aren’t a fascist, why do you want to be in a fascist region?

[Kenowa]

among us.

I honestly think that it's also a bit tied to roleplay. Fascists are pretty much hated by every single ideology other than their adjacents, and if you are a dictatorship you get the perfect excuse to lamb them in order to appear more benevolent, so it's IC to attack them most of the time.

Also because people here are too sensitive to opposing ideals, so they are quick to pull the trigger on anything. Fascism is more niche than communism, so they get weeded off by angry leftists easier than socialists get weeded off by angry rightists.

[Arkhengelskz]

Go on a case by case basis instead of judging me based on others' mistakes.

ok. I see that you have decided to create a region called "Fascist Peoples Union" devoted explicitly to fascism and your only justification for doing so is tu quoque arguments about other ideologies. Therefore, I judge that you are a fascist. I really don't understand how this is so unreasonable to you.

Lol. This game is for roleplay and world building. If you see a communist region, where people roleplay as communists and have communist nations, would you assume they are commies IRL?

If no, well then that's hypocritical. If yes, then you clearly don't understand the game. Its not "copy and paste your beliefs onto your country" its "literally make any country you want"

I even state in the group, hey we aren't Fascists. But go off I guess.

[Arkhengelskz]

if you aren’t a fascist, why do you want to be in a fascist region?

Same reason people with communist countries join communist regions?

My country is Fascist, I thought that was obvious.

My point is, fascist in game =/= fascist IRL