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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:05 pm

I have updated the OP with "DRAFT 2", as seen below. Originally-scheduled bickering can now resume:

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A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Aivintis
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Aivintis » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:07 pm

Atlanticana is indeed defender sympathizer - embassy policy automatically declines Raider regions AND independent regions (for their raider operations)

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Postby Aivintis » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:18 pm

Also some more minor things:

- You spelt Heaveria wrong
- TWI is indeed the correct abbreviation for The Western Isles, to my knowledge
- South Pacific is abbreviated as SP
- Warzone Sandbox is usually abbreviated as WZSB or WZSX, at least when people talk about it in my presence
- Warzone Asia is often WZAS, at least when people talk about it in my presence

I think that's it from me.

EDIT: Vandoosa also directly founded Eientei Gensokyo, and owns the founder accounts in Hetalia and Slavija, according to Enlais. Enlais herself founded Tsumonrin.

EDIT2: Ainland was the original founder of SLU. Following the coup, the current Trustees (shared owners of the Founder nation) are Kanoria, Courelli, and Anaaxes according to the "Founder Nation Trustee and Backup Region Administrator Reports" in their regional form. This report was last confirmed on November 6th of this year.

EDIT3: It appears Wintercrest was founded jointly by by "Zenny" and "Piper Winter."
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Comfed
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Postby Comfed » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:31 pm

Aivintis wrote:Atlanticana is indeed defender sympathizer - embassy policy automatically declines Raider regions AND independent regions (for their raider operations)

No it doesn’t - it bars raider regions and raider regions that “refer to themselves as independent” - Europeia has an embassy with them, for example.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1467610

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Postby Aivintis » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:37 pm

Clearly at some point I decided to actively research the founder stuff, so here's some stuff I found since my last edit. I bolded the conclusions I made for easy reading.

- Eurth is a continuation of Europa, which was founded by The Europa Empire. It was made when The Europa Empire went rogue. According to Tagmatium, this was because "He was unhappy with the fact we weren't bowing to his demands on how to run our community, something that he had not been involved in for years." Eurth itself may be founded by Orioni 2, but it never explicitly says that. Orioni 2 was the one who announced the regionwide move to Eurth on the RMB of Europa, but seems to have been assisted by Tagmatium, Miiros, and Free Port of Cristina, the latter of which previously held the Delegacy. So I'm not sure, although Tagmatium's RMB posts imply they, at least, are not the new founder. Eurth Founder: ??? (Might need to ask Orioni 2 themselves. I could do it on your behalf, if you want.)

- The ? near Vancouvia implies that you're unsure if the nation is controlled by someone else. The Constitution, which says "The role of Founder is, by nature, filled by Vancouvia." implies that Vancouvia is a unique individual, and not an inherited founder nation. "The Successor" is a position for whomever will replace Vancouvia, and the Constitution gives them the role of fulfilling the Executive WA in the event of Vancouvia's CTE. From that point on, the Founder role is replaced by the Executive Delegate role, which implies that there won't be any sort of refound thing, or shared founder nation or anything. Also, since the founder nation is in the WA, it is highly unlikely it is controlled by someone else. TWI Founder: Vancouvia

- For European Union, Angleter is listed as the "Chief Gameside Admin" who has authority over "gameplay and roleplay". This may mean Angleter is in possession of the founder nation. They also were the one who posted the constitution and the list of Admins, so it seems like they're in charge. EU Founder: [Angleter?]

- For Chaylia, according to the wiki, two main candidates in the August 2021 Council of Soviets elections were Lily, "the Director of the Joint Task Force, former positions as Guru (Minister) of Foreign Affairs for Karma, former founder & Empress of Hartfelden", and Takura, a former Karmic "Guru of Chameleons", "Guru of the WA" (WAD), "Prime Guru" (seems like a Prime Minister), "Sha Sage" (Admin) and "Editor of the Augury." According to the wiki page on "Sessions of the Council of Soviets" for the August 2021 term, Takura was a member, but Lily was not, meaning Takura was elected and Lily was not. Take this how you will. I noticed they also had an embassy with the League, but my search for the League in the wiki ended up with no results. Again, take this how you will for the sphere section.

- Apparently the current Sovereign of KoGB is Charles III. According to the previous King (Henry IX aka Kingdom of East Anglia), this is Welfinland. Thus, they are likely the one in control of the Founder Account, King Alexander. KoGB Founder: [Welfinland]

- According to the IDU Timeline in their forums, posted April 12th 2005, "The Xtraordinary Gentlemen, Randomerica, Nieuwe Munchinland, Cheney-Land, and Mikitivity left the North Pacific (organization) to form the International Democratic Union." This makes them the original founders. According to Sanctaria in a discussion on the Regional Security Act (an act legislating founder privileges), "The Founder nation has had Bears [Armed], Grosse[schnauzer], Scion[grad], and [Sanctaria] able to access it since 2013. Longer for Bears and Grosse! We're not giving anyone else access." This post was made on August 14th 2019. Sciongrad has since CTE'd, so they are likely no longer a founder. The rest seem to remain active. IDU Founder: [Bears Armed, Grosseschnauzer, Sanctaria]

- "La Pasionaria" is supposedly the first founder of the Internationale, according to the Internationale History on NSLeft's website. The founder nation, however, is held by the "Comrade Custodian," a position established by the Charter. According to the voting archive on the same website, a vote was held on Nov 29 2019 to replace Caeleps in the Custodian position. This archive links a result posted by Proletaire (former Delegate from Sept 11 2009 to Oct 7 2010), which states that Courelli was voted in as the Custodian on Dec 11 2019. There have been no additions to the voting archive since Dec 20 2019. The Internationale Founder: [Courelli]

- "Kim Yong Il" originally founded North Korea. It was refounded by The Defender Alliance, a supposedly right wing nation, but handed back to the community, specifically Marxist-Feminists, who led the community effort to refound the region. Despite several retirements from and returns to leadership positions, Marxist-Feminists seems to maintain the founder nation and the security of the region rather consistently, with varying activity levels. This is according to the founder nation's history dispatch. North Korea Founder: [Marxist-Feminists]

- Halcones founded The Black Hawks, according to the pinned History dispatch. However, Red Back's RO title is the "Region Guardian", they are listed on the forums as the Commander-in-Chief, and use the pretitle "TBH Commander." Additionally, TBH Commander, in their RMB posts, sign off as "RB" which could stand for "Red Back." Dakota also replied to one of these RMB posts calling TBH Commander aka RB the Commander-in-Chief. This implies that Red Back is the current founder. TBH Founder: [Red Back]
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Postby Aivintis » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:38 pm

Comfed wrote:
Aivintis wrote:Atlanticana is indeed defender sympathizer - embassy policy automatically declines Raider regions AND independent regions (for their raider operations)

No it doesn’t - it bars raider regions and raider regions that “refer to themselves as independent” - Europeia has an embassy with them, for example.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1467610

Ah thank you for the correction. I just assumed that meant that they saw Indies as just another brand of Raiders, that is entirely my fault for misinterpreting that sentence.

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Postby Emodea » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:44 pm

Aivintis wrote:For European Union, Angleter is listed as the "Chief Gameside Admin" who has authority over "gameplay and roleplay". This may mean Angleter is in possession of the founder nation. They also were the one who posted the constitution and the list of Admins, so it seems like they're in charge. EU Founder: [Angleter?]

Duxburian Union (better known as Vincent Drake) controls the founder nation of EU, as he refounded it after it went founderless.
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Postby Aivintis » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:57 pm

Emodea wrote:
Aivintis wrote:For European Union, Angleter is listed as the "Chief Gameside Admin" who has authority over "gameplay and roleplay". This may mean Angleter is in possession of the founder nation. They also were the one who posted the constitution and the list of Admins, so it seems like they're in charge. EU Founder: [Angleter?]

Duxburian Union (better known as Vincent Drake) controls the founder nation of EU, as he refounded it after it went founderless.

Aha! Thank you very much.

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Postby Sylh Alanor » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:27 pm

Neat.
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Jar Wattinree
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:13 pm

I like Laz the best. Most Rotund Sphere.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:47 am

Draft 2 has left me nothing to correct nor complain about. You've done a good job, AMOM.

Now excuse me while I wash my mouth out with soap :p
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Postby Kavagrad » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:16 pm

So, some stuff on the NSLeft listings.

Wintercrest is now an official NSLeft region as of March 2021.

Dyl is in fact TLA's third Founder, so that no longer requires a question mark :P

It's also my understanding (someone else can confirm this) that The Internationale's Founder nation is controlled by Courelli.
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Legio I Firma
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Postby Legio I Firma » Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:11 am

Chaylia is defender/founderless and the abbreviation is CHY btw

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Postby Sandaoguo » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:52 am

If I truly control TSP with a vise grip, and TSP has been pretty instrumental in the organizing of the current defender diplomatic network, I think my name deserves to be on this map somewhere.

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Postby Belschaft » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:48 pm

Whilst I may despise the fact that TSP went Defender, the fact that AMOM is using TSP blue for that bloc somewhat makes up for it. It may be a shitty bloc but at least we're apparently leading it.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:53 pm

Belschaft wrote:Whilst I may despise the fact that TSP went Defender

Come on Bels, what could be more important than saving the natives? :P
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Postby Belschaft » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:54 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Belschaft wrote:Whilst I may despise the fact that TSP went Defender

Come on Bels, what could be more important than saving the natives? :P

Good scotch, cigars and shit-posting?
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:02 pm

Belschaft wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Come on Bels, what could be more important than saving the natives? :P

Good scotch, cigars and shit-posting?

Hmm. You may have got me there.
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Postby Qvait » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:09 pm

Sandaoguo wrote:If I truly control TSP with a vise grip, and TSP has been pretty instrumental in the organizing of the current defender diplomatic network, I think my name deserves to be on this map somewhere.

I'd say it was more of a team effort, but the agendists will ignore that and say that you rule us with an iron fist. :p
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Postby One Small Island » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:28 pm

Aivintis wrote:- Warzone Sandbox is usually abbreviated as WZSB or WZSX, at least when people talk about it in my presence

WZSB is the abbreviation that is used in the warzones; and it's the abbreviation we prefer.
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Postby Aivintis » Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:19 pm

Orioni 2 replied to my telegram with some helpful insight. The main takeaway is that it is them that controls the founder nation. However, there's another point that corrects some of my information and provides some clarification at some of the overlap I ignored for consistency purposes:

"Eurth was founded in July 2018. It served as a way to "claim" our name on IIWiki. The actual, unforeseen demise of Europa (region) came about in April 2019."

So that clears that up.

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Postby Orioni 2 » Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:22 pm

Yes, I hereby confirm that this is correct.
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Postby Diamatiya » Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:49 pm

Aivintis wrote:- "Kim Yong Il" originally founded North Korea. It was refounded by The Defender Alliance, a supposedly right wing nation, but handed back to the community, specifically Marxist-Feminists, who led the community effort to refound the region. Despite several retirements from and returns to leadership positions, Marxist-Feminists seems to maintain the founder nation and the security of the region rather consistently, with varying activity levels. This is according to the founder nation's history dispatch. North Korea Founder: [Marxist-Feminists]


This is correct. However, she's usually known as V Ming

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:22 pm

Areulder wrote:
A mean old man wrote:There are also some medium-sized regions like Forest that I didn't include because they strike me as dormant or uninvolved in GP and generally-unaligned but maybe that's just my shit take.

I'd argue Forest is most closely aligned with the Partnership for Sovereignty, esp Spritus. We just doesn't participate in organized military gameplay. We still have something resembling a defensive pact, and we participate in the potato alliance

Not sure Potato really qualifies one for being the Defendersphere (particularly considering the membership of that one includes many parts of other spheres, etc) - nor is Forest in particular aligned exactly with defenders by my last impression (close relationships with individual regions, yes - but that doesn’t make part of the sphere).

More generally, I’m of the opinion that a lot of the founderless/aligned by necessity group are perhaps better off separated off simply because that is true, but also doesn’t describe actual defender power (to use Forest, it as a region is only constitutionally allowed to participate in a meaningful region way with invasions of Forest or embassies, which are a minority of raids & papering over the lack of military to do so with).

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:25 pm

Aivintis wrote:
- Halcones founded The Black Hawks, according to the pinned History dispatch. However, Red Back's RO title is the "Region Guardian", they are listed on the forums as the Commander-in-Chief, and use the pretitle "TBH Commander." Additionally, TBH Commander, in their RMB posts, sign off as "RB" which could stand for "Red Back." [Dakota] also replied to one of these RMB posts calling TBH Commander aka RB the Commander-in-Chief. This implies that Red Back is the current founder. TBH Founder: [Red Back]

RB is in fact the holder of the founder nation, and refounder of the region in general. Halcones is technically the founder of the original TBH that the current counts as history, but I’ve yet to see anyone truly count him as the founder in anything other than that technical sense in the present.
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