NationStates

What do you think will happen in the NationStates future? Do you think fascism will be entirely eliminated? Do you think NationStates will turn into a more right leaning site? Do you think Regional Officers will hold more power? Well this is the thread for whatever happens in the future. Anything can happen, only YOU need to make it happen!

I'm so spent on fascism being discussed as a gameplay issue. It really should be something the site moderators resolve.

I'd like to see more growth in region mechanics. The banners were a lovely new touch. I'm also quite a fan of Declarations. So I guess I'm hoping we continue to have improvements in the Security Council and gameplay/region-building stuff. That's just me, though, because those are the things I do here

Judging by the 15 years I've been here so far, probably about the same as it does now.

NS, NS never changes.

The year is 2023. Defending has been dead for 2 years, and Holor has been appointed as Commander in Chief.

Then, TSP tries to restore defending or something like that...

The year is 2025. TSP has been destroyed. Emperor Puppet2 of TRR rules the world.

The double edged blade of free speech means that fascism will always be allowed to exist by those who preach it, and those who are disenfranchised enough to turn to hate as a coping mechanism will adhere to it.

But using your free speech, you can also spread unity, love and co-operation.

The ideologies, the diplomatic squabbles, and the constant debates will always be there; however, who is backing each argument might change.

If Fascism has been eliminated then the Left will be trying to eliminate Conservatism; or. if they have already succeeded in that as well, then -- depending on the extent of their other successes so far --they will be trying to eliminate Centrists... then Social Democrats... then democratic Socialists... then, depending on how they prioritize these latter ideologies as targets, Revolutionary Socialists and/or Anarcho-Syndicalists... then,again pending on how they prioritize these latter ideologies, Anarcho-Communists and/or non-revolutionary [Menshevik-style?] Marxists...
... and if they've managed to eliminate all of the other ideologies, already, then the Stalinists, Trotskyites, and Maoists, will be trying to eliminate each other...
... All of that presuming, of course, that the Stalinists, Trotskyites, and Maoists, don't just jump directly to the last of those stages.

In the Grim Darkness of NationStates 2031, there is only Centrism
The Left and Right lay broken, corpses stretched upon the wheels of stasis.
The population is kept in check by the Grill Patrol Organization, who imprison all those who use charcoal grills
It is 2031, and there is only mediocrity

To take "look like" literally...

Find a website you think looks really good today, like the perfect example of today's design standards.

In 15 years, NS will look like that website does today. ;p

Anyways, Quebecshire is right that the existing of fascists on this website is entirely at the feet of the admins and moderators, who think they have no role to play, that NS doesn't exist in the grander scheme of online extremism, and as long as they remain ignorant of anything happening elsewhere, it's not their problem.

Besides, Antifa ops are providing such great R/D activity, why would we want to take that away? Players are forming entire treaty networks to fight fascists, if mods stepped in that would just be interrupting Gameplay!

Durm wrote:The year is 2023. Defending has been dead for 2 years, and Holor has been appointed as Commander in Chief.

Then, TSP tries to restore defending or something like that...

The year is 2025. TSP has been destroyed. Emperor Puppet2 of TRR rules the world.

Good luck with that.

Bears Armed wrote:If Fascism has been eliminated then the Left will be trying to eliminate Conservatism; or. if they have already succeeded in that as well, then -- depending on the extent of their other successes so far --they will be trying to eliminate Centrists... then Social Democrats... then democratic Socialists... then, depending on how they prioritize these latter ideologies as targets, Revolutionary Socialists and/or Anarcho-Syndicalists... then,again pending on how they prioritize these latter ideologies, Anarcho-Communists and/or non-revolutionary [Menshevik-style?] Marxists...
... and if they've managed to eliminate all of the other ideologies, already, then the Stalinists, Trotskyites, and Maoists, will be trying to eliminate each other...
... All of that presuming, of course, that the Stalinists, Trotskyites, and Maoists, don't just jump directly to the last of those stages.

Yes, it's the evil leftist cabal that rules the site!

Sandaoguo wrote:Anyways, Quebecshire is right that the existing of fascists on this website is entirely at the feet of the admins and moderators, who think they have no role to play, that NS doesn't exist in the grander scheme of online extremism, and as long as they remain ignorant of anything happening elsewhere, it's not their problem.

Besides, Antifa ops are providing such great R/D activity, why would we want to take that away? Players are forming entire treaty networks to fight fascists, if mods stepped in that would just be interrupting Gameplay!

Okay, so why not rid the site of Communists, then? In the realm of extremism, they're just as bad. And this is just a game. It's not the real world. Why do you have a problem with letting everyone let off steam together? By all means, use gameplay to push your real-world views and "win" against genuinely terrible ideologies. But insofar as the site is concerned, it makes sense for it to be mostly politically neutral.

I don't really care whatever bullshit nonsense is going on with the WA stuff. Or maybe I do? I dunno, I've been here since 2016 (well, -ish - I was DOS'd until 2018) and only now did I (sort of) find out that WA actually has some power over how the site is run?? Weird. If that's the case, then I think WA should be removed (or repurposed), but it probably won't be.

Outside of that, given that in 2021 NS still uses the "smilies" which I remember from mid-2000s forums/shoutboxes, I don't think it's going to change one bit. (<- this "smilie" in particular is the most nostalgic, since I used to spam/abuse it as a kid online, and thus sometimes got nicknamed "alien", "greenie", etc xd)

Galiantus III wrote:

Sandaoguo wrote:Anyways, Quebecshire is right that the existing of fascists on this website is entirely at the feet of the admins and moderators, who think they have no role to play, that NS doesn't exist in the grander scheme of online extremism, and as long as they remain ignorant of anything happening elsewhere, it's not their problem.

Besides, Antifa ops are providing such great R/D activity, why would we want to take that away? Players are forming entire treaty networks to fight fascists, if mods stepped in that would just be interrupting Gameplay!

Okay, so why not rid the site of Communists, then? In the realm of extremism, they're just as bad. And this is just a game. It's not the real world. Why do you have a problem with letting everyone let off steam together? By all means, use gameplay to push your real-world views and "win" against genuinely terrible ideologies. But insofar as the site is concerned, it makes sense for it to be mostly politically neutral.

If communist regions are being used a recruiting tools to get young people to join offsite chats and forums, where they’re engaging in vile racism, QAnon-level conspiracies, actual QAnon conspiracies, religious hatred, and other extremist shit… then yes, let’s ban them too.

Online chat tools, as they advance, will impact NS too. NS at one time used Yahoo Groups, then AIM, MSN… then IRC, Skype, now Discord.

Durm wrote:

[i]The year is 2025. Emperor Puppet2 of TRR rules the world.

I mean, after 5 failed citizenship applications, this seems unlikely.

As an Antuquity user, exactly the same as it does now.

Sandaoguo wrote:

Galiantus III wrote:Okay, so why not rid the site of Communists, then? In the realm of extremism, they're just as bad. And this is just a game. It's not the real world. Why do you have a problem with letting everyone let off steam together? By all means, use gameplay to push your real-world views and "win" against genuinely terrible ideologies. But insofar as the site is concerned, it makes sense for it to be mostly politically neutral.

If communist regions are being used a recruiting tools to get young people to join offsite chats and forums,

If a region is using NS to advertise other websites and whatnot, that is definitely a problem and I would expect moderation to handle it.

where they’re engaging in vile racism, QAnon-level conspiracies, actual QAnon conspiracies, religious hatred, and other extremist shit… then yes, let’s ban them too.

That is all your personal value judgment of an ideology. I happen to agree with your evaluation of said ideology, but I don't think it is fair to demand site moderation and admin become activists on your behalf. Max can do what he likes with the site, and there are valid reasons to allow communities with dissenting opinions to exist, including the fact that this is a political game.

Only three things are certain in life. Death, Taxes and NationStates' design.

I believe that Fascism will be gone also. I expect a resurgence in raiding but also expect it to die so defending will be useless. I also expect some fascist vs anti fascist war on NationStates or something like ww1 here.

Team Lennox wrote:I believe that Fascism will be gone also. I expect a resurgence in raiding but also expect it to die so defending will be useless. I also expect some fascist vs anti fascist war on NationStates or something like ww1 here.

Nah.

Fascists have always been a small niche on NS. I don't see that suddenly becoming so big that it becomes a huge war.

The Blaatschapen wrote:

Team Lennox wrote:I believe that Fascism will be gone also. I expect a resurgence in raiding but also expect it to die so defending will be useless. I also expect some fascist vs anti fascist war on NationStates or something like ww1 here.

Nah.

Fascists have always been a small niche on NS. I don't see that suddenly becoming so big that it becomes a huge war.

Oh, I am a 1 year old nation, I don't really know a lot of history on NationStates.

Keira wrote:I don't really care whatever bullshit nonsense is going on with the WA stuff. Or maybe I do? I dunno, I've been here since 2016 (well, -ish - I was DOS'd until 2018) and only now did I (sort of) find out that WA actually has some power over how the site is run?? Weird. If that's the case, then I think WA should be removed (or repurposed), but it probably won't be.

Outside of that, given that in 2021 NS still uses the "smilies" which I remember from mid-2000s forums/shoutboxes, I don't think it's going to change one bit. (<- this "smilie" in particular is the most nostalgic, since I used to spam/abuse it as a kid online, and thus sometimes got nicknamed "alien", "greenie", etc xd)

How do you become UNDOS'd? I thought DOS's stay forever.

I mean the fascists (I sympathize them but can hardly be qualified as one if you look at the big picture) are definitely not going away. Antifa will raid our regions indefinitely, however, what I am sure of is that they’re essentially fighting an already lost war- the fascist regions are always recreated again and again… WA may try to ban them via declarations, which is too destined to fail- after all most of them don’t even care about gameplay or something…

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Team Lennox wrote:

Keira wrote:I don't really care whatever bullshit nonsense is going on with the WA stuff. Or maybe I do? I dunno, I've been here since 2016 (well, -ish - I was DOS'd until 2018) and only now did I (sort of) find out that WA actually has some power over how the site is run?? Weird. If that's the case, then I think WA should be removed (or repurposed), but it probably won't be.

Outside of that, given that in 2021 NS still uses the "smilies" which I remember from mid-2000s forums/shoutboxes, I don't think it's going to change one bit. (<- this "smilie" in particular is the most nostalgic, since I used to spam/abuse it as a kid online, and thus sometimes got nicknamed "alien", "greenie", etc xd)

How do you become UNDOS'd? I thought DOS's stay forever.

Nah. You may request, after some time, to have the DOS lifted.