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The total population of every nation in NationStates

Postby Kingdom of the Indus » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:03 pm

Has anybody tried calculating the total population of every single nation in all of NationStates?
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Postby Xynlandia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:08 pm

Right now there are 221,517 nations, with an average population of 4,497,580,000. This gives us a total population of 996,290,428,860,000 (just short of 1 quadrillion). Obviously as nations are created/cte/gain population etc. this will be constantly changing.
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:17 pm

Xynlandia wrote:Right now there are 221,517 nations, with an average population of 4,497,580,000. This gives us a total population of 996,290,428,860,000 (just short of 1 quadrillion). Obviously as nations are created/cte/gain population etc. this will be constantly changing.

That's about 126,000 Earths of people.

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Postby Capitol Hill Occupied Protest » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:19 pm

Xynlandia wrote:average
Where did you take the average from?
Also, https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pallidonia is impressive, congrats

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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:21 pm

There's multiple old fart nations like mine near or over 40 billion population too, so basing a guesstimate on average population may not be especially accurate.
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:25 pm

Capitol Hill Occupied Protest wrote:
Xynlandia wrote:average
Where did you take the average from?
Also, https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pallidonia is impressive, congrats

Thanks!

I took the average from here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pen ... =3?world=1 (just click on my nation name at the bottom to remove my line and just view the World line) and then read the most recent number for today's value

On these graphs, the World line is the mean of all nations, so simply multiplying it by the number of nations will give me the correct answer.
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Postby The Hazar Amisnery » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:31 pm

Using the power of estimation I'm gonna say somewhere around 3 trillion give or take the constantly changing populations. I just used the fact that 1,000 billions goes into a trillion so that's everyone who is already in the billions and everyone who isn't probably adds up to a few billions.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:34 pm

Least a trillion in population in my guess in estimates of nation state entirely

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Postby The Hazar Amisnery » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:38 pm

Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:
Capitol Hill Occupied Protest wrote:Where did you take the average from?
Also, https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pallidonia is impressive, congrats

Thanks!

I took the average from here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pen ... =3?world=1 (just click on my nation name at the bottom to remove my line and just view the World line) and then read the most recent number for today's value

On these graphs, the World line is the mean of all nations, so simply multiplying it by the number of nations will give me the correct answer.

What's that sudden dip in population?
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:50 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:There's multiple old fart nations like mine near or over 40 billion population too, so basing a guesstimate on average population may not be especially accurate.

The average is the arithmetic mean, not the median.
The median is shy of 2 billion, which isn't half the average reported in the trend.
The Hazar Amisnery wrote:What's that sudden dip in population?

Average population dips would be from influxes of new players. That big drop from April-May last year is thanks to a popular YTer (Drew Durnil) who made a video on NS.
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Postby Dexterra » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:14 pm

If it's possible to figure out the total population despite daily varying increases, establishments/deactivations of accounts and nations with differing IC populations, Max Barry's account would definitely skew the average :lol:

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Postby Khevo » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:09 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:There's multiple old fart nations like mine near or over 40 billion population too, so basing a guesstimate on average population may not be especially accurate.

An average population is taken by dividing the total world population by the number of nations, so multiplying the average population by the number of nations should produce the total world population - large nations wouldn't skew that metric.
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:43 pm

Total population last ZDay (Oct 2020) was 812 trillion, so 1 quadrillion sounds about right.

ImperialRussia wrote:Least a trillion in population in my guess in estimates of nation state entirely

My biggest 15 nations amount to about 565 billion*, so, 1 trillion would be waaay too small for the whole world. :p
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:35 am

Dexterra wrote:If it's possible to figure out the total population despite daily varying increases, establishments/deactivations of accounts and nations with differing IC populations, Max Barry's account would definitely skew the average :lol:

Testlandia is both a general admin account, but also hardly the most populous nation.

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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:41 am

Accurate as of 2021-06-15 19:41:13, consisting of 232271 nations.

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:03 pm

Valentine Z wrote:Accurate as of 2021-06-15 19:41:13, consisting of 232271 nations.




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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:08 pm

Valentine Z wrote:Accurate as of 2021-06-15 19:41:13, consisting of 232271 nations.




Really interesting to see that Mother Knows Best State is the classification with the highest average population, by a margin. I guess it's because more experienced players are more likely to know how to get it. It's pretty hard to stumble across it for new nations.
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Postby Phyr » Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:29 pm

Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Accurate as of 2021-06-15 19:41:13, consisting of 232271 nations.




Really interesting to see that Mother Knows Best State is the classification with the highest average population, by a margin. I guess it's because more experienced players are more likely to know how to get it. It's pretty hard to stumble across it for new nations.

Since it is limited to nations with a female-leaning pretitle that seems to make sense. You're likely a fairly deep player if you found out that getting father knows best state and then adding certain pretitles gets you a hidden classification.

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Postby Guy » Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:22 am

Valentine Z wrote:Accurate as of 2021-06-15 19:41:13, consisting of 232271 nations.

At the rate of gain since then, we can't be too far from 1 quadrillion population. Possibly worthy of a news post?
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Guy wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Accurate as of 2021-06-15 19:41:13, consisting of 232271 nations.

At the rate of gain since then, we can't be too far from 1 quadrillion population. Possibly worthy of a news post?

Only to have a mass die-off of old puppets to drive us back below the mark :p
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Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Guy wrote:At the rate of gain since then, we can't be too far from 1 quadrillion population. Possibly worthy of a news post?

Only to have a mass die-off of old puppets to drive us back below the mark :p

Probably wouldn’t affect much - lowballing the nation number (200k) and daily growth (5m) gives a daily population growth of one trillion. A few thousand of the oldest puppets would undo a month of that at most.

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Postby Valentine Z » Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:47 am

If we take the average World stat from NS stats page, along with the total number of nations now, we get:

4 522 230 000 × 220 281 = 996.161 e12 = 996.161 trillion. Assuming none of the nations CTE during this period, it will take at least (1 e15 − 996.161 e12) / ((6 e6) × 220 281 / day) = 2 d + 21 h + 42 min + 16.796 764 13 s.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:53 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Only to have a mass die-off of old puppets to drive us back below the mark :p

Probably wouldn’t affect much - lowballing the nation number (200k) and daily growth (5m) gives a daily population growth of one trillion. A few thousand of the oldest puppets would undo a month of that at most.

I could probably revive at least 100 puppets that averaged 10 billion or so people each, for one trillion in total, just by myself.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:10 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Guy wrote:At the rate of gain since then, we can't be too far from 1 quadrillion population. Possibly worthy of a news post?

Only to have a mass die-off of old puppets to drive us back below the mark :p


"mass die-off".

Is that a euphemism for "puppetsweep"? :p
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