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The Notorious Mad Jack
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:40 am

Sedgistan wrote:Just block their telegrams if you don't want them.

Alternatively the PfS could not spam a large part of the game with unwanted tag:WA tgs that break the laws of their own member regions.

Just a thought.
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Quebecshire
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:24 am

The same people complaining about the PfS doing something did it themselves within the subsequent hours, so at the very least you should admit that this is less about the moral highground and more about playing politics in a hypocritical fashion.

Cheap shots against XKI are rather thinly veiled, per usual.
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Haganham
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Postby Haganham » Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:59 am

Quebecshire wrote:The same people complaining about the PfS doing something did it themselves within the subsequent hours, so at the very least you should admit that this is less about the moral highground and more about playing politics in a hypocritical fashion.

Cheap shots against XKI are rather thinly veiled, per usual.

That's not going to fly. For one I am Mingulay Isle, the guy who served as XKI's first Deputy WA Secretary, among numerous other positions.

For another, as far as I know, TNP does not have any law forbidding the use of wa telegrams in it's region, so it's not hypocritical for them to use it.

just because someone's your friend does not mean they can do no wrong.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:14 am

Seeing TNPers of all people try to once again posture about WA TG’s is hilarious.

If you don’t want campaign TG’s, block them. Otherwise, I’m sure you can find a way to survive.
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Postby The Python » Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:58 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Just block their telegrams if you don't want them.

Alternatively the PfS could not spam a large part of the game with unwanted tag:WA tgs that break the laws of their own member regions.

Just a thought.

The PfS can't but WALL can?
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:02 pm

The Python wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Alternatively the PfS could not spam a large part of the game with unwanted tag:WA tgs that break the laws of their own member regions.

Just a thought.

The PfS can't but WALL can?

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Postby Goobergunchia » Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:10 pm

The Python wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Alternatively the PfS could not spam a large part of the game with unwanted tag:WA tgs that break the laws of their own member regions.

Just a thought.

The PfS can't but WALL can?

Hey, I usually don't get invader propaganda in my main nation's inbox. Still not quite as funny as the time LWU (I think? Been a while) sent me a recruitment TG though.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:14 pm

Hmmmmm….. A defenders only organization, with League in its name. Hopefully this one fairs better than the last. :roll:
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:33 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Hmmmmm….. A defenders only organization, with League in its name. Hopefully this one fairs better than the last. :roll:

World Assembly Legislative League =/= Defender

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Postby Toerana » Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:24 pm

The Python wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Alternatively the PfS could not spam a large part of the game with unwanted tag:WA tgs that break the laws of their own member regions.

Just a thought.

The PfS can't but WALL can?

XKI takes a hard line stance against WA Campaign telegrams, and yet PfS sends one anyway.

The hypocrisy doesn't go away just because WALL did it too.

In fairness, I don't know the WA Campaign telegram policy held by all the other regions in PfS.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:31 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Hmmmmm….. A defenders only organization, with League in its name. Hopefully this one fairs better than the last. :roll:

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Postby The Union of British North America » Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:41 pm

Could NS nation-accounts be observers to the PfS? Voluntarily abide by the collective decisions yet have little to no role (aside from debate, if others accept that) as they are not a region and their region might be neutral towards something like this?

Just have affiliated voters for the Security Council recognized in some way?
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Postby Homyland » Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:55 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:Seeing TNPers of all people try to once again posture about WA TG’s is hilarious.

If you don’t want campaign TG’s, block them. Otherwise, I’m sure you can find a way to survive.

Ok, I'll block them.
Oh, wait no, I can't! TNP's IFVs are marked with the "campaign" tag.

Anyways, it sounds a bit hypocritical that XKI is so opposed to tag:WA telegrams that their voting bloc sent one.

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Postby Haganham » Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:42 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:Seeing TNPers of all people try to once again posture about WA TG’s is hilarious.

If you don’t want campaign TG’s, block them. Otherwise, I’m sure you can find a way to survive.

The issue isn't the TG's, its the hypocrisy of using tag:WA campaigns while treating the tag:WA campaigns of others as a violation of their sovereignty.
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Postby Wischland » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:11 pm

If anyone wants to discuss XKI law with the Delegate of XKI and the one who makes the decisions on these kind of matters, my inbox is always open. In the meantime, stop misconstruing our laws and twisting our values to fit your own political needs. These kind of cheap shots are neither constructive nor particularly truthful.

The Union of British North America wrote:Could NS nation-accounts be observers to the PfS?

While we don't yet have any official observer status, you're more than welcome to join our discord (see the link on the region WFE), where we always announce recommendations and would love to discuss them with you. That's also the fastest way to get updates on the PfS's work in expanding and opening up the bloc, including any potential creation of such an observer status.
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Postby Dreadton » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:35 pm

Wischland wrote:If anyone wants to discuss XKI law with the Delegate of XKI and the one who makes the decisions on these kind of matters, my inbox is always open. In the meantime, stop misconstruing our laws and twisting our values to fit your own political needs. These kind of cheap shots are neither constructive nor particularly truthful.



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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:11 pm

Dreadton wrote:
Wischland wrote:If anyone wants to discuss XKI law with the Delegate of XKI and the one who makes the decisions on these kind of matters, my inbox is always open. In the meantime, stop misconstruing our laws and twisting our values to fit your own political needs. These kind of cheap shots are neither constructive nor particularly truthful.

"We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."

When someone suggests you read the law you are talking about, it is wise not to loudly demonstrate you haven't done so.

NS 181-1 § 2: "Forbids WA campaigning by "mass telegrams" to islanders unless prior permission had been given by the Delegate;"
NS 181-1 § 3: "ALLOWS limited WA campaigning by native WA nations through the use of 'mass telegrams' if that nation had been in 10000 Islands and the WA for at least 3 months."
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Postby Dreadton » Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:50 pm

Wallenburg wrote:When someone suggests you read the law you are talking about, it is wise not to loudly demonstrate you haven't done so.

NS 181-1 § 2: "Forbids WA campaigning by "mass telegrams" to islanders unless prior permission had been given by the Delegate;"
NS 181-1 § 3: "ALLOWS limited WA campaigning by native WA nations through the use of 'mass telegrams' if that nation had been in 10000 Islands and the WA for at least 3 months."


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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:00 pm

Dreadton wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:When someone suggests you read the law you are talking about, it is wise not to loudly demonstrate you haven't done so.

NS 181-1 § 2: "Forbids WA campaigning by "mass telegrams" to islanders unless prior permission had been given by the Delegate;"
NS 181-1 § 3: "ALLOWS limited WA campaigning by native WA nations through the use of 'mass telegrams' if that nation had been in 10000 Islands and the WA for at least 3 months."

A kicked dog hollers.

Lol, I haven't even spent a day in TKI, your brilliant one-liners are going in the wrong direction. All I'm pointing out is that this is a nonsense argument against PfS's advocacy for the at-Vote SC resolution.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:29 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Hmmmmm….. A defenders only organization, with League in its name. Hopefully this one fairs better than the last. :roll:

You really do always miss don't you?

As long as it keeps you engaged and entertained, my job is complete. :hug:
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:25 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:You really do always miss don't you?

As long as it keeps you engaged and entertained, my job is complete. :hug:

You give me an easy excuse to reply in the thread of an ally I wish to see remain high profile. I'm glad you spend your time both bumping their thread and looking ridiculous at the same time.
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Postby Haganham » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:36 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Dreadton wrote:"We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."

When someone suggests you read the law you are talking about, it is wise not to loudly demonstrate you haven't done so.

NS 181-1 § 2: "Forbids WA campaigning by "mass telegrams" to islanders unless prior permission had been given by the Delegate;"
NS 181-1 § 3: "ALLOWS limited WA campaigning by native WA nations through the use of 'mass telegrams' if that nation had been in 10000 Islands and the WA for at least 3 months."

Are you seriously suggesting it's not hypocritical because they got permission from XKI's delegate?
Imagine reading a signature, but over the course of it the quality seems to deteriorate and it gets wose an wose, where the swenetence stwucture and gwammer rewerts to a pwoint of uttew non swence, an u jus dont wanna wead it anymwore (o´ω`o) awd twa wol owdewl iws jus awfwul (´・ω・`);. bwt tw sinawtur iwswnwt obwer nyet, it gwos own an own an own an own. uwu wanyaa stwop weadwing bwut uwu cwant stop wewding, uwu stwartd thwis awnd ur gwoing two fwinibsh it nowo mwattew wat! uwu hab mwoxie kwiddowo, bwut uwu wibl gwib ub sowon. i cwan wite wike dis fwor owors, swo dwont cwalengbe mii..

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Postby Homyland » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:23 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Dreadton wrote:"We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."

When someone suggests you read the law you are talking about, it is wise not to loudly demonstrate you haven't done so.

NS 181-1 § 2: "Forbids WA campaigning by "mass telegrams" to islanders unless prior permission had been given by the Delegate;"
NS 181-1 § 3: "ALLOWS limited WA campaigning by native WA nations through the use of 'mass telegrams' if that nation had been in 10000 Islands and the WA for at least 3 months."


Don't you see it? They forbid sending WA Campaign telegrams to their citizens, but send a WA Campaign telegram themselves. Case closed.

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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:58 am

Homyland wrote:
Don't you see it? They forbid sending WA Campaign telegrams to their citizens, but send a WA Campaign telegram themselves. Case closed.

They forbid WA telegrams that aren't approved by the Delegate. Sure, people can say that they shouldn't have sent one to others when they typically oppose them. But if WALL really remotely cared about people being sent telegrams they didn't approve of, they wouldn't have also sent one within the following hours.

Usually, if someone wants to maintain a moral high ground, they should at least put some effort into not mimicking the behavior of the group they are upset with.
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Postby Minskiev » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:08 am

Guess I'll post.

I don't think it's too unreasonable for a Delegate of XKI (or at least an organization they're highly involved in) to send a mass telegram...to XKI. As well as the rest of the world, which we shouldn't have an issue with. Instead, all I'm seeing is a bunch of bad takes coming from North Pacificans.

Homyland wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:When someone suggests you read the law you are talking about, it is wise not to loudly demonstrate you haven't done so.

NS 181-1 § 2: "Forbids WA campaigning by "mass telegrams" to islanders unless prior permission had been given by the Delegate;"
NS 181-1 § 3: "ALLOWS limited WA campaigning by native WA nations through the use of 'mass telegrams' if that nation had been in 10000 Islands and the WA for at least 3 months."


Don't you see it? They forbid sending WA Campaign telegrams to their citizens, but send a WA Campaign telegram themselves. Case closed.


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