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How do I achieve a horrible capitalist economy?

Postby The Reformation of Qing Dynasty » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:03 pm

I know this is an oddly specific question and all, but this is for an experiment on a puppet nation. How do I achieve a garbage capitalist economy? I was thinking making the nation very primitive but what do you guys think?

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:07 pm

The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:I know this is an oddly specific question and all, but this is for an experiment on a puppet nation. How do I achieve a garbage capitalist economy? I was thinking making the nation very primitive but what do you guys think?


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Basically you need to ruin your economic sectors while retaining a high degree of economic freedoms.

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:32 pm

Just do what all capitalist states do. After all, capitalism has failed in every nation where it has been tried.
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Postby New Ruchaar » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:35 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:Just do what all capitalist states do. After all, capitalism has failed in every nation where it has been tried.

And here I am overwhelmed with all of the examples of thriving top-tier freedom-loving economically superior socialist and communist countries in history
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:40 pm

1. Choose the "capitalist" policy for your nation.
2. Make horrible decisions on issues so that your economy is a basket case, or set it up to be horrible from the get-go.
3. Sit back and watch the world burn while saying, "This is fine."

Postauthoritarian America wrote:Just do what all capitalist states do. After all, capitalism has failed in every nation where it has been tried.

It hasn't failed in the United States.
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:59 pm

This is an interesting question, and I guess depends on your definition of the word 'capitalism', but for the sake of my answer, I'll assume you want a high level of economic freedom combined with legal private enterprise, rather than just one or the other.

It's tough to achieve because economic freedom is linked in-game to economic efficiency. In some cases, options can increase economic freedom and decrease the economy, but these are very rare.

The key is to have no business subsidisation. Any time you hear a business person saying "the government should give us funds", don't choose that option, as it will significantly boost your economy. You should also choose any option which allows you to defund your government, or any government expenditure, since it may have a negative impact on business subsidation, which is the goal. Having said that, most pro-market options will increase your economy so you may find yourself dismissing most economic issues.

An example of what you are looking for is my puppet Pencil Sharpeners. Its economy is sitting at -2.59, the 7th worst economy in the World. It is no coincidence that its business subsidisation sits at -68.34, the 12th lowest in the World. This nation's economic freedom sits at 97.33, putting it in the top 1% of the World for capitalism (assuming that is how you want to measure how capitalist a nation is, which is a theory debate I am not getting involved in). As a bonus, this nation also has an average income of just 5.6, the lowest possible in the game. This is harder to achieve, and I'm not telling you how I did that :P
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:00 pm

Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:This is an interesting question, and I guess depends on your definition of the word 'capitalism', but for the sake of my answer, I'll assume you want a high level of economic freedom combined with legal private enterprise, rather than just one or the other.

It's tough to achieve because economic freedom is linked in-game to economic efficiency. In some cases, options can increase economic freedom and decrease the economy, but these are very rare.

The key is to have no business subsidisation. Any time you hear a business person saying "the government should give us funds", don't choose that option, as it will significantly boost your economy. You should also choose any option which allows you to defund your government, or any government expenditure, since it may have a negative impact on business subsidation, which is the goal. Having said that, most pro-market options will increase your economy so you may find yourself dismissing most economic issues.

An example of what you are looking for is my puppet Pencil Sharpeners. Its economy is sitting at -2.59, the 7th worst economy in the World. It is no coincidence that its business subsidisation sits at -68.34, the 12th lowest in the World. This nation's economic freedom sits at 97.33, putting it in the top 1% of the World for capitalism (assuming that is how you want to measure how capitalist a nation is, which is a theory debate I am not getting involved in). As a bonus, this nation also has an average income of just 5.6, the lowest possible in the game. This is harder to achieve, and I'm not telling you how I did that :P

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:05 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:1. Choose the "capitalist" policy for your nation.
2. Make horrible decisions on issues so that your economy is a basket case, or set it up to be horrible from the get-go.
3. Sit back and watch the world burn while saying, "This is fine."

Postauthoritarian America wrote:Just do what all capitalist states do. After all, capitalism has failed in every nation where it has been tried.

It hasn't failed in the United States.


34 million Americans live in poverty. A quarter of all American households and 5 million children experienced food insecurity in 2020. US income inequality is highest among developed nations and has been increasing for 30 years; the top 1% earn nearly 40 times more than the bottom 90%.

Capitalism has failed in every nation where it has been tried.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:18 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:1. Choose the "capitalist" policy for your nation.
2. Make horrible decisions on issues so that your economy is a basket case, or set it up to be horrible from the get-go.
3. Sit back and watch the world burn while saying, "This is fine."


It hasn't failed in the United States.


34 million Americans live in poverty. A quarter of all American households and 5 million children experienced food insecurity in 2020. US income inequality is highest among developed nations and has been increasing for 30 years; the top 1% earn nearly 40 times more than the bottom 90%.

Capitalism has failed in every nation where it has been tried.

Food insecurity went up because the economy was forcibly shut down. And we're still capitalist; we haven't failed. No, a 10% poverty rate is not good, and yes, there are very corrupt people (such as the average politician and Jeff Bezos), but the economy has not failed because of capitalism, if what happenedbthis year can be considered s failure, which it is. Lots of corrupt and incompetent people seem to be in charge, but it could he worse. They could be dictators.
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Postby The Reformation of Qing Dynasty » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:21 pm

Ok guys, I was just asking how to get a low stat economy rating in a capitalist economy, I don't want to see any political or economical debates spark up in here.

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:23 pm

The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:Ok guys, I was just asking how to get a low stat economy rating in a capitalist economy, I don't want to see any political or economical debates spark up in here.

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Postby The Reformation of Qing Dynasty » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:25 pm

And as a side note, I believe centrism is the most successful ideology, and it is what I believe should be in every nation, including the US.

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Postby New Skithia » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:30 pm

The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:I know this is an oddly specific question and all, but this is for an experiment on a puppet nation. How do I achieve a garbage capitalist economy? I was thinking making the nation very primitive but what do you guys think?


You can't. Maybe try a socialist country? You get a horrible economy in no time

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Postby Kragholm Free States » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:33 pm

The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:And as a side note, I believe centrism is the most successful ideology, and it is what I believe should be in every nation, including the US.

Centrism isn't even an ideology. Where is the centre? Depends where in the world you are. Depends what year it is. Depends which individual you ask. Depends what mood they're in when you ask them. You'll never get the same answer twice. How do you intend to use that as a model for the political system of the entire world?
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Postby The Reformation of Qing Dynasty » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:36 pm

Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:This is an interesting question, and I guess depends on your definition of the word 'capitalism', but for the sake of my answer, I'll assume you want a high level of economic freedom combined with legal private enterprise, rather than just one or the other.

It's tough to achieve because economic freedom is linked in-game to economic efficiency. In some cases, options can increase economic freedom and decrease the economy, but these are very rare.

The key is to have no business subsidisation. Any time you hear a business person saying "the government should give us funds", don't choose that option, as it will significantly boost your economy. You should also choose any option which allows you to defund your government, or any government expenditure, since it may have a negative impact on business subsidation, which is the goal. Having said that, most pro-market options will increase your economy so you may find yourself dismissing most economic issues.

An example of what you are looking for is my puppet Pencil Sharpeners. Its economy is sitting at -2.59, the 7th worst economy in the World. It is no coincidence that its business subsidisation sits at -68.34, the 12th lowest in the World. This nation's economic freedom sits at 97.33, putting it in the top 1% of the World for capitalism (assuming that is how you want to measure how capitalist a nation is, which is a theory debate I am not getting involved in). As a bonus, this nation also has an average income of just 5.6, the lowest possible in the game. This is harder to achieve, and I'm not telling you how I did that :P

Yes, I have seen pencil Sharpeners before. Must of taken you a long time to achieve a nation so radical in a way, especially when the economy is only controlled by the black market. It also seems very primitive, which might somewhat contribute to its horrible economy. And yes, i constantly look at and try to improve my economic freedom, just look at mine.
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Postby The Reformation of Qing Dynasty » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:17 pm

Kragholm Free States wrote:
The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:And as a side note, I believe centrism is the most successful ideology, and it is what I believe should be in every nation, including the US.

Centrism isn't even an ideology. Where is the centre? Depends where in the world you are. Depends what year it is. Depends which individual you ask. Depends what mood they're in when you ask them. You'll never get the same answer twice. How do you intend to use that as a model for the political system of the entire world?


Why the hell did i write centrism? I meant to write Capitalism, its the stupid auto-corrector. Though I still am interested in centrism.

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Postby Pricia Cittomsojuaistan » Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:33 pm

I know this is an oddly specific question and all, but this is for an experiment on a puppet nation. Some tips on how to write better you will find at https://justdomyhomework.com/ How do I achieve a garbage capitalist economy? I was thinking making the nation very primitive but what do you guys think?


This threads belongs into gameplay

Basically you need to ruin your economic sectors while retaining a high degree of economic freedoms.


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Postby KIDS Country » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:09 pm

New Skithia wrote:
The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:I know this is an oddly specific question and all, but this is for an experiment on a puppet nation. How do I achieve a garbage capitalist economy? I was thinking making the nation very primitive but what do you guys think?


You can't. Maybe try a socialist country? You get a horrible economy in no time

Easy, actually. Just get an anarchist gov't.


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