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Mecha Bavarian
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The Embassy and a worrying precedent

Postby Mecha Bavarian » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:01 am

First of all, i am the founder of Aryan Resistance, and i am well aware that i am not welcome here, and i do not care, i am doing my best to follow the rules without betraying my ideals.
That beign said, i noticed that i a number of embassies in my region are beign closed.
Nothing wrong with that, after all, people change their mind, or did not noticed who is the one offering the embassy.
But one after another is not usual, so i contacted the founders, no reply to the momment, and then i decided to check some of the RMB of those regions and i found this:

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https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=42212040

So there you have: The Ambassadors Reception, is going all the way to have the embassies closed to my region, and all region tagged as "fascist".
Of course most of you will aplaude his crusade to save the regions of beign contaminated by an evil ideology, because is not like the residents have a mind of their own.

But this also set a precedent.
If The Embassy does not like you or your region they will use their power and position to isolate you.

My message to The Ambassadors Reception is: how about you let other people make their own choices instead of shaming them into submision?
Or maybe you can change the part of your WFE saying "connecting thousands to each other through a single, neutral point."

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Comfed
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Postby Comfed » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:21 am

A few things:
1. The Embassy used to hold embassies with fascist regions until someone threatened to write a WA liberation for their region.
2. The Embassy doesn’t really have diplomatic power
3. It’s a good thing to isolate ideologies that have resulted in the slaughter of millions of innocent individuals based on an aspect of character that they cannot and should not be expected to change.

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Postby Xoriet » Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:15 am

Mecha Bavarian wrote:So there you have: The Ambassadors Reception, is going all the way to have the embassies closed to my region, and all region tagged as "fascist".
Of course most of you will aplaude his crusade to save the regions of beign contaminated by an evil ideology, because is not like the residents have a mind of their own.=

If The Embassy has embassies with fascist or Nazi regions, they can expect a raid to close all of those embassies by a number of hostile parties to those ideologies the minute they become vulnerable exactly for that reason.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:37 am

Xoriet wrote:
Mecha Bavarian wrote:So there you have: The Ambassadors Reception, is going all the way to have the embassies closed to my region, and all region tagged as "fascist".
Of course most of you will aplaude his crusade to save the regions of beign contaminated by an evil ideology, because is not like the residents have a mind of their own.=

If The Embassy has embassies with fascist or Nazi regions, they can expect a raid to close all of those embassies by a number of hostile parties to those ideologies the minute they become vulnerable exactly for that reason.

Or forcibly become vulnerable, as Jakker threatened some time back.

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Postby Gibraltarica » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:16 pm

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Postby Nova Vandalia » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:25 pm

Mecha Bavarian wrote:If The Embassy does not like you or your region they will use their power and position to isolate you.


As they should Fascism is a despicable ideology and should be silenced wherever it crops up, and those who practice it should be shamed and shunned, until they either course correct or disappear.
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Postby Quartia and Karafuto » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:29 pm

Yeah, this is a problem. I'm not in support of your ideology but this really does set a precedent. Either stop calling yourself "neutral", or actually be neutral.
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Spode Humbled Minions
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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:27 pm

1.What power does The Embassy have?
Like really, they just want embassies, all the embassies that they can get. It happens to be that having any embassy with a Nazi region isn't conducive to having the largest number of embassies.

2. What precedent does this begin that wasn't in place long before Aryan Resistance?
The Embassy has been shutting down these sorts of embassies for awhile, it was hopefully a mistake that they even had an embassy with this region in the first place.

3. If what gets people to remove embassies with a region is literally just someone explaining what the name is/means.... Then we're finally learning why Nazi movements have to constantly rebrand themselves. A bit late tho
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Postby Jakker » Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:53 pm

Spode Humbled Minions wrote:The Embassy has been shutting down these sorts of embassies for awhile, it was hopefully a mistake that they even had an embassy with this region in the first place.


This has been happening since earlier this year largely because of my Liberation proposal. The fascist embassies were not done accidently. They simply prioritized having as many embassies as possible for their regional hub.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:20 pm

It does set a precedent. Just not the one you thought. And the precedent it does set (that nazi regions should be isolated to protect people from its ideology) was set a very long time ago. If this surprises you then, well...that's a you problem. I'm afraid you'll find no sympathy here in this matter.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:29 pm

Quartia and Karafuto wrote:Yeah, this is a problem. I'm not in support of your ideology but this really does set a precedent. Either stop calling yourself "neutral", or actually be neutral.

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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:45 pm

Mecha Bavarian wrote:First of all, i am the founder of Aryan Resistance


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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:00 pm

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Postby Atheris » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:37 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Mecha Bavarian wrote:First of all, i am the founder of Aryan Resistance


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"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

Damn orphans and terminally ill hospital patients, ruling over us with an iron fist...
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Postby The Church of Satan » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:15 am

Atheris wrote:"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

Damn orphans and terminally ill hospital patients, ruling over us with an iron fist...

I'll criticize an orphan. Gimme an orphan to criticize!
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:19 am

The Church of Satan wrote:
Atheris wrote:"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

Damn orphans and terminally ill hospital patients, ruling over us with an iron fist...

I'll criticize an orphan. Gimme an orphan to criticize!

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Jar Wattinree wrote:
The Church of Satan wrote:I'll criticize an orphan. Gimme an orphan to criticize!

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Postby The Church of Satan » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:06 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
The Church of Satan wrote:I'll criticize an orphan. Gimme an orphan to criticize!

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Alright Evil Cub, get ready for it...

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The Ambassadors Reception
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Postby The Ambassadors Reception » Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:02 am

Mecha Bavarian wrote:-stuff-

Hi,

Thanks for raising those points. Hopefully I've suitably addressed them here:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... #embassies

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Postby Jakker » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:29 am

The Ambassadors Reception wrote:
Mecha Bavarian wrote:-stuff-

Hi,

Thanks for raising those points. Hopefully I've suitably addressed them here:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... #embassies


The fact that you needed to be "bribed" with a bunch of empty regions with the same founder shows that your biggest priority is simply having as many embassies as possible. You can try and pretend as though the Liberation proposal did not push the change, but clearly it wouldn't have happened without being called out. And it seems like plenty of people are happy with the result so you are welcome.
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