NationStates

Don’t bother, Islands. The region isn’t worth the time it takes to type out your reply. Just let them fade into obscurity while they scream for attention in the distance.

The 12 apostles wrote:

Free Las Pinas wrote:Not quite the gotcha! I was expecting. As far as I know, you aren’t supposed to appoint them as “diocese”, you’re supposed to appoint a diocese, hence my confusion as to whether you own them or not. You didn’t explain why I was wrong, instead, you repeated what you said in the post I previously quoted. It doesn’t quite seem right either, as CrimsonScribbles is appointed as bishop in NRB and UCEW. You’d think that “Embassies accepted only in regions with a VRCC diocese” means some sort of ambassador/deputy position to the VRCC.

TL;DR: I could still be wrong, but I don’t quite understand how that answers me.

See, that's how VRCC works as regards embassies. That's their gameplay interaction with other regions. That's what we were told by VRCC, when we sent embassy requests. One has to appoint a regional officer as diocese.
If your doubts still persist, you may go ahead and ask VRCC. You can TG them directly. You may also verfy with the other regions which have their diocese.

I can't say anything more than that.

Edit:
Cough...cough...Just looked at the VRCC RMB. They are an almost 11 yr old region. Neither ERoGC or Genua were in existence then. So...this insinuation is absurd.

I didn’t mean to insinuate you owned VRCC, all I asked was clarification as to whether CrimsonScribbles was diocese or bishop, because it was confusing as to whether that meant you were claiming VRCC or not. I’ve got no idea how we managed to make this a full-blown argument, and I’m willing to drop this. That said, this last post from you does fix up some things. In previous posts, you were saying something different. While I still don’t believe Jesus Christ is not fully owned by Genua, I’m at least glad that was cleared up (though it would’ve been faster to say “yeah, I meant bishop” or something along those lines).

Quebecshire wrote:

Wayneactia wrote:Ironic.

Ironic how?

I'm sure it will come to you eventually.

On the 29th of October, our region of Jesus Christ shall celebrate the Feast of Michael and all Angels, popularly called Michaelmas. On this day, we give thanks for the many ways in which God's loving care watches over us, both directly and indirectly, and we are reminded that the richness and variety of God's creation far exceeds our knowledge of it.
As per pre Christ Jewish tradition, there are four Archangels, named Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel.
Jesus Christ welcomes all to the celebrations on that day. The exact venue shall be declared later.

The 12 apostles wrote:On the 29th of October, our region of Jesus Christ shall celebrate the Feast of Michael and all Angels, popularly called Michaelmas

I think you're a month off there...

Yes, we know. But the region didn't exist on Sept 29th. We wish to start the regional festivities with this day. So we are taking the liberty to host it a full month later.

Someone may want to have a chat with Christian Democrats. I think he may not be aware that he just formed an embassy with a fascist region.

Stop abusing my religion for your shitty ideology. It's trash anyway, Jesus would sooner draw pentagrams and perform satanic rituals than endorse your shit.

The 12 apostles wrote:On the 29th of October, our region of Jesus Christ shall celebrate the Feast of Michael and all Angels, popularly called Michaelmas. On this day, we give thanks for the many ways in which God's loving care watches over us, both directly and indirectly, and we are reminded that the richness and variety of God's creation far exceeds our knowledge of it.
As per pre Christ Jewish tradition, there are four Archangels, named Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel.
Jesus Christ welcomes all to the celebrations on that day. The exact venue shall be declared later.

Are you going to have a Luftwaffe flyover?

Free Las Pinas wrote:

The 12 apostles wrote:When we speak of the Church in our locality as "our Church", it does not belong to us par se. It is a similar sentiment in Genua, that their natives take Jesus Christ to be their Spiritual Centre and never a colony.
As I see, Genuans like many other regions, including Jesus Christ, New Reich of Bunicken etc have also appointed CrimsonScribbles as the diocese of Virtual Roman Catholic Church, but VRCC does not belong to Genua, does it?
It is the religious affiliation of the region of Genua, alongwith VRCC.
Hope I could make my point.

Wait, so if VRCC allegedly doesn’t belong to you guys, what right do you have exactly to appoint CrimsonScribbles as diocese of their region? Appointing a diocese in a different region insinuates that they are connected to you and is supervised by a bishop, presumably from your region.

I may be mistaken, but this is how I understand it works. Correct me if I’m wrong.

that is not true. CrimsonScribbles regions doesn't involve in politics at all. They are completely religious based. To get an Embassy one must request the embassy, then appoint CrimsonScribbles as the diocee. They require though in order to receive their ministry, rather take prayer request and post prayers up , that one appoints CrimsonScribbles as the diocese. This is because CrimsonScribbles got in trouble before for spamming in regions, despite having been invited. They only except embassies that wish to get their ministry. Outside of his religious post, he doesn't engage at all with the regions and nor they with his region. His regions has no involvement in any regions government nor is it owned or influenced by any regions government. They just don't discriminate on whom they will spread the word of the Lord to. That would go against the very teachings of Christ. Christ was often condemned by the Pharisees because spent much time sitting and eating with sinners. Christ responded to that by explaining, it is the sinner that need him the most. If they rejected an embassy because of their politics, they would be going against the very teachings of Christ.

LadyMorrighan wrote:that is not true. CrimsonScribbles regions doesn't involve in politics at all. They are completely religious based. To get an Embassy one must request the embassy, then appoint CrimsonScribbles as the diocee. They require though in order to receive their ministry, rather take prayer request and post prayers up , that one appoints CrimsonScribbles as the diocese. This is because CrimsonScribbles got in trouble before for spamming in regions, despite having been invited. They only except embassies that wish to get their ministry. Outside of his religious post, he doesn't engage at all with the regions and nor they with his region. His regions has no involvement in any regions government nor is it owned or influenced by any regions government.

Unfortunately, this is a theme we've seen far too often with fascists - using existing institutions and organizations as a means to try and legitimize themselves. We saw it here: Genua claimed this region as their own in a dispatch until it became clear (in this thread!) that being owned by fascists undermines their goal of getting Christians to join their region based purely off of its name. When the obvious link was pointed out, they quickly scrubbed the evidence from their dispatch, making it clear that this is little more than a group of fascists using the trappings of Christianity to draw people in.

LadyMorrighan wrote:They just don't discriminate on whom they will spread the word of the Lord to. That would go against the very teachings of Christ. Christ was often condemned by the Pharisees because spent much time sitting and eating with sinners. Christ responded to that by explaining, it is the sinner that need him the most. If they rejected an embassy because of their politics, they would be going against the very teachings of Christ.

You've almost stumbled upon a good analogy. But the fascists aren't the "sinners" depicted in the Gospels who flocked to Jesus - those people knew they were in the wrong and were looking to do right. There is a group of people depicted in the Gospels who, like fascists, cared about the legitimacy and status that appearing to be religious would bring. People who did all their deeds to be seen by others, and not to win people to their religion. People who desperately tried to look righteous to others, but who were filled with hypocrisy - as one must be, to practice an oppressive ideology and preach a religion that promises freedom to all.

The best parallel to fascists in this story, of course, are the Pharisees. Jesus condemned them loudly and repeatedly, and gave the rest of us a masterclass on how to spot charlatans who are using the language and behavior of religion to try and appear holy when they are anything but.

Nice to see a good debate.
@Twobagger
As you say the parallels to Fascism in the Bible are Pharisees. Good enlightenment.
I wish to ask of you for academic purposes, who are the parallels to the Communists and Liberals in the Bible?
I am dying to know.

Anti-communism isn't fascist ffs

The 12 apostles wrote:

The Church of Satan wrote:Since, by GENUA's own omission in one of their dispatches, this region is one which has been "converted into Genuan [...] Govt.'s usage" wouldn't this mean that this is quite literally a second GP thread for GENUA? And the rules in the Gameplay forum are clear in that each region gets just one GP thread. Just trying to clarify this because it would be a violation of the rules.

And I'm sure GENUA wouldn't try to get around that to gain an illegal advantage, right?

The region Jesus Christ is an independent region, with a focus on spreading the message of Christ . The aim of the two regions are entirely different. It is written in our WFE that the region belongs to Christ the Redeemer.
The defense of the region, of course, is looked after by Genua,as do the defender groups for other regions as well, as Jesus Christ does not have a military of it's own.

So you’re GENUA’s vassal then. You can see they’re playing you for saps, right?

Matthew 5:10 ESV
“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The more Jesus Christ is persecuted by the Left, the more members we attract. It is a win win situation for us.

The 12 apostles wrote:Matthew 5:10 ESV
“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The more Jesus Christ is persecuted by the Left, the more members we attract. It is a win win situation for us.

Ain’t nobody persecuting you except for your overlords back at GENUA. They hold de facto control over the region, and you are too blind to see it. GENUA made it very clear they’re in control, and yet you deny it. Can’t you see they’re lying to you?

"Genua is the flag bearer of fascism"

I think I have seen enough.

Those are some "great" allies to have.

Kandorith wrote:"Genua is the flag bearer of fascism"

I think I have seen enough.

Those are some "great" allies to have.

“Allies”. Genua OWNS the region, but 12 apostles doesn’t seem to know or care. The whole region is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. Genua is their false prophet.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Kandorith wrote:"Genua is the flag bearer of fascism"

I think I have seen enough.

Those are some "great" allies to have.

“Allies”. Genua OWNS the region, but 12 apostles doesn’t seem to know or care. The whole region is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. Genua is their false prophet.

It is sheer falsehood. Genua does not own us at all. We have made it clear to them that their role is just for our defense. There's only one entity our region fears, the Communist and Left regions as their ideologies espouges a Godless society. We felt that it is Genua which could help us ward off communist influence and attacks.
That was our decision, and we stand by it.

The 12 apostles wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:“Allies”. Genua OWNS the region, but 12 apostles doesn’t seem to know or care. The whole region is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. Genua is their false prophet.

It is sheer falsehood. Genua does not own us at all. We have made it clear to them that their role is just for our defense. There's only one entity our region fears, the Communist and Left regions as their ideologies espouges a Godless society. We felt that it is Genua which could help us ward off communist influence and attacks.
That was our decision, and we stand by it.

Genua has other ideas. They literally list you as having been “Converted into a Government Estate”. You sold yourselves to them in exchange for “protection”. They’re running a racket, swindling you. I may not know much about Christianity, but I do know that Genua is acting the part of Judas.

Parable of the Sower:
Jesus said:
"Listen! Behold, a sower went out to sow. And as he sowed, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured it. Other seed fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil, and immediately it sprang up, since it had no depth of soil. And when the sun rose, it was scorched, and since it had no root, it withered away. Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no grain. And other seeds fell into good soil and produced grain, growing up and increasing and yielding thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold.” And he said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

— Mark 4:3–9 (ESV)

The explanation given by Jesus.

And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parable,so that

“‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’”

And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? The sower sows the word. And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them. And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: the ones who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy. And they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away. And others are the ones sown among thorns. They are those who hear the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. But those that were sown on the good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold.”.

— Mark 4:10–20

The 12 apostles wrote:Matthew 5:10 ESV
“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The more Jesus Christ is persecuted by the Left, the more members we attract. It is a win win situation for us.

Left, Right, it's all a part of the same destructive bird. Please do not mix what is supposed to be the evangelistic spirit of the gospel with political hypocrisy, because it's a bizarre trend that the Right seems to favor a faith that advocates revolutionary transformation through Christ through repentance. Just like in my region, Bible Believers, we have folks who are socialists as well as conservatives, but we all understand the urgency of Biblical applications of evangelism in our life through faith in Christ without our personal political preferences interfering.

If Genua wasn't so involved with the region, I don't think your presentation would've raised this much controversy.

The 12 apostles wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:“Allies”. Genua OWNS the region, but 12 apostles doesn’t seem to know or care. The whole region is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. Genua is their false prophet.

It is sheer falsehood. Genua does not own us at all. We have made it clear to them that their role is just for our defense. There's only one entity our region fears, the Communist and Left regions as their ideologies espouges a Godless society. We felt that it is Genua which could help us ward off communist influence and attacks.
That was our decision, and we stand by it.

Ah yes... because no one else would "defend" you but fascists....

Because all other people are godless?

That is one huuuuuge leap and spin.

The 12 apostles wrote:Matthew 5:10 ESV
“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The more Jesus Christ is persecuted by the Left, the more members we attract. It is a win win situation for us.

Nobody is persecuting you. Nobody cares enough about some 6 nation UCR that they’d honestly spend time persecuting you. The notion that there’s some force working against you is almost adorable in its ignorance.

The 12 apostles wrote:<snip>

This is the Gameplay forum, not a bible discussion group.