Daytime to Night wrote:A Bloodred Moon wrote:I’d do my very best to spin it as a victory too.
Nothing to do with that, the North Ustaynga natives were ready to give up on NS entirely there and then. Our efforts gave them some hope but the region has never been the same since the raid and it pretty much flattened their interest in the game. Its to Nakari's credit and the efforts of those who attempted liberations that they had a chance to regroup and rebuild post-raid. They didn't have the enthusiasm to rebuild unfortunately and that community is more or less lost from the game. That not a victory at all, its deeply depressing.
The same occurred in the Iran invasion, with the long term delegate fully ready to give up on the game and let the region die. Thankfully defender efforts were more successful to support them, restore their delegacy and work with them on a refound. Iran now has the potential to become a genuine, secure community again and is making efforts to do so. Roavin and Kuriko deserve their fair share of credit for that and without their work with Iramerica that region might have become a dead shell too.
The context of the discussion was the discourse around morality and the importance of defending natives for natives sake. Those examples very much show the need for defending and the evils of invading. It's not about propaganda points and spin, its about helping people outside of r/d enjoy the game still without their experience being destroyed by r/d.
That's been my biggest beef with raiding from the moment I got involved in R/D too. People being driven from the game so a few others can get their rocks off is wrong. It's a damn shame that it still happens at all. I'd hoped that sort of thing from raiders was done for after TBR died.