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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:37 am
by Qvait
If Atlae is an NPO plant and also intruded, what you're saying is that there's a chance that I can intrude the NPO.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:40 am
by Xoriet
Qvait wrote:If Atlae is an NPO plant and also intruded, what you're saying is that there's a chance that I can intrude the NPO.

Over my dead body. >:(

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:37 pm
by Unibot III
Xoriet wrote:
Unibot III wrote:
I'll never understand why NPO Senators believe that "I'm a NPO Senator" makes them sound like a more credible source when it comes to the goals and deliberations of the NPO Senate. The NPO Senate does not operate on the basis of public transparency or public accountability. The NPO Senate is the governing body of an autocratic regime. Your allegiance is to the Order and to the Emperor.

While I'm absolutely sure that the NPO would have tried to prevent the consolidation of power by the Rahls in the East Pacific and the West Pacific prior to the Scardino coup, and have heard as much from past NPO officials, the reality was the NPO was at its weakest point politically and diplomatically at that point in time. In terms of NPO's external interests, Scardino's failed takeover was the next best thing.

Describing NPO's Cold War influence in TEP and TWP as "purely natural" is downplaying the severity of the influence that the NPO once had in TEP and TWP. I'm sure there are people who earnestly believe that it is good for the NPO to have a foothold in TEP, that without a strong NPO-TEP connection, TEP's system of government might cosmopolitanize. The irony of the NPO is it's cosmopolitanism for regionalists!

The official who told you that did see the Rahls as a rival because that was his game. Of course, the fact that you accused him of NPO planning to support the Rahls in TWP and TEP kind of guaranteed that there was only one good response. Frankly, I regret that he entertained himself by speaking with you about anything relevant, but everyone likes to find hobbies when they have time to kill.


I wasn't referring to a single senator, I said "past NPO officials." I was describing de facto NPO foreign policy.

Frankly, I find it remarkable following this bouncing ball. You've climbed down from "that wasn't NPO's policy position" to "if it was our policy, we would have acted on it sooner" to "it was the position of the most preeminent members of the NPO, but they're just some isolated views, and how dare they share their intentions with you."

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:46 pm
by Jar Wattinree
Unibot III wrote:
Xoriet wrote:The official who told you that did see the Rahls as a rival because that was his game. Of course, the fact that you accused him of NPO planning to support the Rahls in TWP and TEP kind of guaranteed that there was only one good response. Frankly, I regret that he entertained himself by speaking with you about anything relevant, but everyone likes to find hobbies when they have time to kill.


I wasn't referring to a single senator, I said "past NPO officials." I was describing de facto NPO foreign policy.

Frankly, I find it remarkable following this bouncing ball. You've climbed down from "that wasn't NPO's policy position" to "if it was our policy, we would have acted on it sooner" to "it was the position of the most preeminent members of the NPO, but they're just some isolated views, and how dare they share their intentions with you."

You forgot the key detail: previous, prior, before time, primordial, antediluvian.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:31 pm
by Qvait
Xoriet wrote:
Qvait wrote:If Atlae is an NPO plant and also intruded, what you're saying is that there's a chance that I can intrude the NPO.

Over my dead body. >:(

So you have chosen death. :p

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:54 pm
by Xoriet
Unibot III wrote:
Xoriet wrote:The official who told you that did see the Rahls as a rival because that was his game. Of course, the fact that you accused him of NPO planning to support the Rahls in TWP and TEP kind of guaranteed that there was only one good response. Frankly, I regret that he entertained himself by speaking with you about anything relevant, but everyone likes to find hobbies when they have time to kill.


I wasn't referring to a single senator, I said "past NPO officials." I was describing de facto NPO foreign policy.

Frankly, I find it remarkable following this bouncing ball. You've climbed down from "that wasn't NPO's policy position" to "if it was our policy, we would have acted on it sooner" to "it was the position of the most preeminent members of the NPO, but they're just some isolated views, and how dare they share their intentions with you."

I'll spell it out for you.

1) This wasn't our policy.
2) Because someone wouldn't stop spouting nonsense, it became necessary to point out that there would have been a strategic time and place to actually intervene if that had ever been any kind of plan. You're so obsessed with pursuing this absurd notion that there is an evil plan somewhere and if you keep shouting it from the rooftops, someone might believe it. Learn to tell the difference between waffling and strategic analysis of a situation.
3) I don't speak for the old Senate but I definitely know that they didn't have plans to go in. Again, I have access to things you don't.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:56 pm
by Dollystana
Lazarus.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:25 am
by Unibot III
Jar Wattinree wrote:
Unibot III wrote:
I wasn't referring to a single senator, I said "past NPO officials." I was describing de facto NPO foreign policy.

Frankly, I find it remarkable following this bouncing ball. You've climbed down from "that wasn't NPO's policy position" to "if it was our policy, we would have acted on it sooner" to "it was the position of the most preeminent members of the NPO, but they're just some isolated views, and how dare they share their intentions with you."

You forgot the key detail: previous, prior, before time, primordial, antediluvian.


Primordial is a big word to use for a couple of years. :lol2: Especially for an organization that’s old enough to secure a full driver’s licence.

This is a ridiculous conversation, the NPO is simultaneously asserting that ‘it wasn’t NPO’s foreign policy to oppose the Rahls’ and ‘even if it was it wasn’t widely held’ and ‘we never acted on that policy’ and ‘we’re an entirely new organization’ and ‘not responsible for them’ and ‘that’s ancient news’ and ‘you can’t know this,’ ‘you shouldn’t know this,’ ‘how dare you know this,’ and ‘you’re wrong!!! I have access to contradicting information !!’

We’ve exhausted every excuse, every bad defence under the sun. The fact remains that at one time, TEP was closely held within NPO’s sphere of influence until the Rahls consolidated power there. The fall of the Rahls has opened up an opportunity for the NPO to restore its political and cultural influence in TEP. And the legal-political context in TEP that enabled the ‘soft coup’ of the Rahls still seems to be very much present.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:34 am
by Warzone Codger
Well what's your answer Uni and NPO folks? You keep bumping the thread..

I haven't put in an answer yet either. I'll go with TEP or Osiris. Now we wait.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:29 am
by Xoriet
Warzone Codger wrote:Well what's your answer Uni and NPO folks? You keep bumping the thread..

I haven't put in an answer yet either. I'll go with TEP or Osiris. Now we wait.

I didn't vote for any of them, nor put thought into which one is a likely candidate for targeting. I have a strong aversion for coups and it is also in largely bad taste to speculate on which region should be couped for x dumb reason or state that you hope one happens for the funsies, as well as being particularly unwise when in certain political positions.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:36 am
by Honeydewistania
Warzone Codger wrote:Well what's your answer Uni and NPO folks? You keep bumping the thread..

I haven't put in an answer yet either. I'll go with TEP or Osiris. Now we wait.

Warzone Airspace

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:40 am
by A mean old man
Arguments with Unibot are circular, just like his flag. "The only winning move is not to play."

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:51 pm
by Elegarth
A mean old man wrote:Arguments with Unibot are circular, just like his flag. "The only winning move is not to play."

Ditto!

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:15 pm
by Marrabuk
The next GCR to be coup I think should be The Rejected Eastern Northern South Western Pacific Realm.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:17 pm
by Dominioan
-insert the next GCR to be taken over here-

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:42 pm
by Great Algerstonia
A mean old man wrote:Arguments with Unibot are circular, just like his flag. "The only winning move is not to play."

I’d say his flag is more rectangular, but your point is correct

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:47 am
by Mallorea and Riva
Comfed wrote:Welcome all to this thread, where we predict when a Game Created Region will be couped, and when. Place your bets, because the rewards are... non-existent.

No, Warzones do not count.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:29 pm
by Sancta Romana Ecclesia
Neither, all look pretty stable to me.