Official NationStates Defenders Alliance Thread

[The Keeper of the Alliance]

Hello! I am a somewhat experienced NationStates player who is looking for a new start. I have created a region that will allow the defenders of NationStates to communicate and create an alliance. It is called the NationStates Defenders AllianceIt is a region run by a democratic government consisting of representatives from some of the most major defending regions and myself voting on issues in one part, and anybody who wants to voting on the same issues in another part. If the issue passes in both parts, it becomes a law for defenders of the alliance to follow and is added to the international defender constitution, called the Defender's Code. If this sounds good to you, please join us or have a puppet join us. If you are a member of a significant defender region, please telegram your founder about this idea. Representatives chosen may be chosen in any way possible.

Edit: If you are a founder yourself and you have not received a telegram from me yet, then send one to me.

I will also use this thread for news if there is any.

[Tim-Opolis]

You’ve never actually Defended before, have you?

I’m Tim#6442 on Discord, feel free to get in touch so I can explain to you that we already have an extensive infrastructure set-up. It’s great that you’re enthusiastic about Defending, but you’re really going to want to enlist in one of the main Defender military groups to get trained up first.

[DACOROMANIA]

Oh, you're looking for defenders, you don't have them yet as I see.

[The Keeper of the Alliance]

Oh, you're looking for defenders, you don't have them yet as I see.

That's harsh, but true. We don't have defenders, but we aren't looking to do military gameplay. We have sent out telegrams to many of the larger defender regions, but I'm assuming they are swamped with telegrams and only one has responded so far.

You’ve never actually Defended before, have you?

I’m Tim#6442 on Discord, feel free to get in touch so I can explain to you that we already have an extensive infrastructure set-up. It’s great that you’re enthusiastic about Defending, but you’re really going to want to enlist in one of the main Defender military groups to get trained up first.

I have not defended before, this is true. I actually ran a small raiding region that gave me experience with military gameplay. The nations I had in it CTEd, and so did the region itself. Luckily, the few raids that we attempted were shut down and I shut down the region after I saw what the Black Hawks did to Boston. Please don't make assumptions based on my nation size. I started over to do this.

[Tim-Opolis]

but we aren't looking to do military gameplay. We have sent out telegrams to many of the larger defender regions, but I'm assuming they are swamped with telegrams and only one has responded so far.

Actually, I think the bolded segment highlights exactly why we're not responding. Why would we have any interest in joining the project of somebody who clearly lacks the experience to do this or the intent to involve this in Military Gameplay. You're asking military regions to join a project grounded in military concepts, but run by somebody without any experience in the matter and no intent to be MilGP active. Furthermore, I think your communication method and shotgun approach to telegrams showcases your lack of experience once again, considering that you basically sent TGs to a bunch of Regional Founders and Delegates tagged Defender. Some of those places don't have active military groups, the ones that do already have significantly more flexible and capable infrastructure in place, and ultimately most of these places don't do their diplomatic communications over telegram.

I have not defended before, this is true. I actually ran a small raiding region that gave me experience with military gameplay. The nations I had in it CTEd, and so did the region itself. Luckily, the few raids that we attempted were shut down and I shut down the region after I saw what the Black Hawks did to Boston. Please don't make assumptions based on my nation size. I started over to do this.

Cool, what raider region was that? I'm an Officer in the most well-known contemporary Defender Military, so I've probably heard of it. Ultimately, I think you yourself are continuing to re-affirm my point with what you're saying. You're not experienced in Defending, you lack significant Military GP experience as well, and ultimately nobody is going to sign up to your project if that continues to remain the case. You've created an alliance which is fundamentally flawed in multiple forms. For starters, such a strict "Constitution" style alliance is a bit dated and is part of the reason similar concepts like the FRA fell. Following that, you've created this thing where you basically give yourself a permanent vote despite the fact that, as you yourself have admitted, you don't really have experience to justify that vote. Finally, you're asking for regions to commit World Assembly nations as "Representatives" which seems to indicate you also might lack the foresight to recognize how critical WA nations are to MilGP and how silly it would be to force one to be locked in as a Rep.

Ultimately, I'll say what I said in my first post. If you want to get involved, enlist in one of the main groups. I'd personally recommend either my own military The Order of Grey Wardens, or perhaps checking out The Rejected Realms Army for a more traditional Defender military. If you want this project of yours to legitimately succeed, you need to put in that ground work to make sure that you yourself are equipped to operate it, since nobody's really gonna sign up for a project run by a noob.

[Sancta Romana Ecclesia]

Finally, you're asking for regions to commit World Assembly nations as "Representatives" which seems to indicate you also might lack the foresight to recognize how critical WA nations are to MilGP and how silly it would be to force one to be locked in as a Rep.

Whelp, at least that makes as much sense as someone without an interest in R/D creating an alliance of R/D orgs.

[The Keeper of the Alliance]

Cool, what raider region was that? I'm an Officer in the most well-known contemporary Defender Military, so I've probably heard of it. Ultimately, I think you yourself are continuing to re-affirm my point with what you're saying. You're not experienced in Defending, you lack significant Military GP experience as well, and ultimately nobody is going to sign up to your project if that continues to remain the case. You've created an alliance which is fundamentally flawed in multiple forms. For starters, such a strict "Constitution" style alliance is a bit dated and is part of the reason similar concepts like the FRA fell. Following that, you've created this thing where you basically give yourself a permanent vote despite the fact that, as you yourself have admitted, you don't really have experience to justify that vote. Finally, you're asking for regions to commit World Assembly nations as "Representatives" which seems to indicate you also might lack the foresight to recognize how critical WA nations are to MilGP and how silly it would be to force one to be locked in as a Rep.

When did I ask to commit WA nations to this process? I asked simply for reps, and I said they could be selected in any way possible. I should have clarified this. There is no need for WA nations to do this. It can be anybody, puppets preferably. Trust me, I know how critical WA nations are. I ran a raiding region once. It had two WA nations, and I couldn't do a thing, so I know how critical they are, and I would never specifically ask for a WA nation to be locked in so it couldn't participate in military GP. If you actually want to make this an idea that could work, please avoid being so salty about it and work WITH me instead of AGAINST me to improve it. I can and will take out my vote until I truly deserve it. I can't spend much time on this game and I don't use nor want to use discord or forums, so I am in a situation where most regions would not let me enter their army. If you have any more ways I could improve my validity to be in this position, please send them without being salty and I will work with them to try to make this a better idea.

[The Keeper of the Alliance]

Screw this, why would I want to make an alliance of people who are this toxic to the idea.

[Tim-Opolis]

When did I ask to commit WA nations to this process? I asked simply for reps, and I said they could be selected in any way possible. I should have clarified this.

Your WFE. "Each region will send one WA nation as a representative. The representatives, plus The Keeper of the Alliance, will vote on various issues."

If you actually want to make this an idea that could work, please avoid being so salty about it and work WITH me instead of AGAINST me to improve it.

I'm more in the business of collecting salt than dishing it out. I'm explaining to you why your regional concept will not work. It's your choice to accept that fact or go against it in a futile manner.

I can't spend much time on this game and I don't use nor want to use discord or forums, so I am in a situation where most regions would not let me enter their army. If you have any more ways I could improve my validity to be in this position, please send them without being salty and I will work with them to try to make this a better idea.

Yeah, that's a bit of a dealbreaker. While there's certainly non-update activities that can be accomplished in R/D, the vast majority of operations are done at update and you most definitely need to be on the Discord and on the military's respective forum to be able to access those. If you'd like to improve your validity to be in said position, then the best thing I can recommend is find the time to dedicate or find a different project. Gameside communication is rather inefficient, hence why most developed regions and organizations use offsite forum and discord, and you're not really going to find any developed/experienced partners that are interested in joining an exclusively on-site project. You especially won't find those partners if your topic matter is tied to MilGP, a construct tied to a shit ton of off-site content and a continuously developing off-site meta.

Screw this, why would I want to make an alliance of people who are this toxic to the idea.

Have you ever considered that it's your concept that's bad (and honestly has already been done) and not us?

[Flanderlion]

The issue with it is less that it's a bad idea and more it already exists.

[Twobagger]

Screw this, why would I want to make an alliance of people who are this toxic to the idea.

To be blunt, if this is how you handle honest constructive criticism from someone who would have been on your side had you actually done this, perhaps you should rethink whether you want to be in charge of an organization like this. Tim's comments aren't cruel, they're fair. The history of Gameplay is littered with people who are more or less exactly like you, who had the same ideas you had, and who ran their organizations into the ground - when they were lucky enough to get off the ground.

This isn't a group of naysayers telling you that you can't do anything - it's a seasoned veteran telling you that we've seen ideas like yours before, and giving you reasons why similar things have flamed out in the past. If you still think that, despite all of this, you still have the necessary drive and determination to hold together a large inter-regional organization, then go right ahead. But we're more interested in helping you enjoy the game and helping you make a lasting impact (if that's what you want to do), rather than getting burned out after putting a ton of work into something that's remembered as a trophy on a trophy case when it's remembered at all.

If you still want to learn what's up, I'm sure most of the major R/D organizations in Gameplay would be happy to have you (but perhaps it's a bad idea to tell them about this region). You could pretty easily learn how to raid or defend. If you spent any significant amount of time there, you could also see how a large, successful region is run.

[The Keeper of the Alliance]

Looking back, I was being a total jackass, to be honest. I was pissed and stressed at the time and saw Tim-Opolis's advice as just some guy ripping into my "wonderful" idea. Sorry.

[Kanglia]

Progress

But to second Tim, you can feel free to reach out to myself on Discord too)EdgeCraft#5167) to learn more in Defending. Other than that, I don't have anything else to add different from what has been stated by Tim & Twobagger, but it's great that you have an interest in defending and I hope to see you on an update real soon!

[Drop Your Pants]

I can't spend much time on this game and I don't use nor want to use discord or forums, so I am in a situation where most regions would not let me enter their army.

I'm a different sort of defender veteran, the mean kind (not like the helpful ones above). If you don't have time for NS then don't try to run a region. And if you couldn't be arsed using forums or discord then don't bother trying.