Thaecia Is Looking For New Members

[Kuriko]

I'm not buying the fact that it was a troll anymore. I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt when Candensia contacted your government about it, but after this fiasco I believe it was someone in your government trying to grow your region and then when it didn't work you went with mass WA recruitment.

We're just having fun bro. This is a big meme for us XD

You heard it here folks, this is how Thaecia regards foreign affairs and poaching. Meme. You excluded CoCD from your telegram, so that has me a bit curious. Why did you exclude them?

[Cerdenia]

Thaecia generally doesn't pay much attention to arrogant foreign leaders, so most don't really know you. If that's the case however I don't see the purpose of you complaining because Thaecia wants to grow through a legitimately legal mean.

If you're going to call the leaders of other regions "arrogant," good luck maintaining foreign relations with other regions.

ok liberal

[The Bigtopia]

We're just having fun bro. This is a big meme for us XD

You heard it here folks, this is how Thaecia regards foreign affairs and poaching. Meme. You excluded CoCD from your telegram, so that has me a bit curious. Why did you exclude them?

Because we don't want fascists in our region.

[Tinhampton]

You do realize I'm the delegate of the largest user created region in NS, right? We have 1,200 more nations than you.

Thaecia generally doesn't pay much attention to arrogant foreign leaders, so most don't really know you. If that's the case however I don't see the purpose of you complaining because Thaecia wants to grow through a legitimately legal mean.

Multiple past WA Delegates of XKI has been Commended by the Security Council. Kuriko is the most prolific author in SC history and currently has a Commendation for herself in drafting (by an unrelated nation). How and why exactly do you believe that she is an "arrogant... leader?" I'm the WA Delegate of little Thorossia, which has about five WA nations, and my opinion on the Thaecia shambles is pretty much the same as hers...

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I'm not buying the fact that it was a troll anymore. I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt when Candensia contacted your government about it, but after this fiasco I believe it was someone in your government trying to grow your region and then when it didn't work you went with mass WA recruitment.

We're just having fun bro. This is a big meme for us XD

NationStates is a game; the dignity of regional leaders, however, is not.

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You heard it here folks, this is how Thaecia regards foreign affairs and poaching. Meme. You excluded CoCD from your telegram, so that has me a bit curious. Why did you exclude them?

Because we don't want fascists in our region.

So why didn't Thaecia/Islonia exclude NAZI EUROPA, Fifth Empire, CoFN and other fascist regions from the recruitment telegram, then?

[The Bigtopia]

So why didn't Thaecia/Islonia exclude NAZI EUROPA, Fifth Empire, CoFN and other fascist regions from the recruitment telegram, then?

CCD was the biggest one and the first one to come to mind
None of us remember all those regions from the top of our heads
I've got to go now, you can TG me if need be

[Brototh]

Thaecia generally doesn't pay much attention to arrogant foreign leaders, so most don't really know you. If that's the case however I don't see the purpose of you complaining because Thaecia wants to grow through a legitimately legal mean.

If you're going to call the leaders of other regions "arrogant," good luck maintaining foreign relations with other regions.

Our words are backed with your WA delegate

[Cerdenia]

Thaecia generally doesn't pay much attention to arrogant foreign leaders, so most don't really know you. If that's the case however I don't see the purpose of you complaining because Thaecia wants to grow through a legitimately legal mean.

Multiple past WA Delegates of XKI has been Commended by the Security Council. Kuriko is the most prolific author in SC history and currently has a Commendation for herself in drafting (by an unrelated nation). How and why exactly do you believe that she is an "arrogant... leader?" I'm the WA Delegate of little Thorossia, which has about five WA nations, and my opinion on the Thaecia shambles is pretty much the same as hers...

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We're just having fun bro. This is a big meme for us XD

NationStates is a game; the dignity of regional leaders, however, is not.

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Because we don't want fascists in our region.

So why didn't Thaecia/Islonia exclude NAZI EUROPA, Fifth Empire, CoFN and other fascist regions from the recruitment telegram, then?

IDK dude, I don't really care about the WA, just an establishment organisation which doesn't allow most regions to have any influence. The fact he got his friends to help him get a commendation is hardly an achievement lmao

[Tinhampton]

Multiple past WA Delegates of XKI has been Commended by the Security Council. Kuriko is the most prolific author in SC history and currently has a Commendation for herself in drafting (by an unrelated nation). How and why exactly do you believe that she is an "arrogant... leader?" I'm the WA Delegate of little Thorossia, which has about five WA nations, and my opinion on the Thaecia shambles is pretty much the same as hers...

IDK dude, I don't really care about the WA, just an establishment organisation which doesn't allow most regions to have any influence. The fact he got his friends to help him get a commendation is hardly an achievement lmao

Are you trying to suggest that Kuriko commissioned Agalaesia to write a draft of "Commend Kuriko" in an attempt to discredit her arguments?

[Cerdenia]

IDK dude, I don't really care about the WA, just an establishment organisation which doesn't allow most regions to have any influence. The fact he got his friends to help him get a commendation is hardly an achievement lmao

Are you trying to suggest that Kuriko commissioned Agalaesia to write a draft of "Commend Kuriko" in an attempt to discredit her arguments?

Not really, I am suggesting that the fact you got yourself a commendation in the WA is pretty irrelevant. Most WA nations don't even read resolutions, in the end the organisation is just controlled by a few elites wanting to award each other badges, as such I don't particularly care much about it.

[Latrovia]

[Kuriko]

Are you trying to suggest that Kuriko commissioned Agalaesia to write a draft of "Commend Kuriko" in an attempt to discredit her arguments?

Not really, I am suggesting that the fact you got yourself a commendation in the WA is pretty irrelevant. Most WA nations don't even read resolutions, in the end the organisation is just controlled by a few elites wanting to award each other badges, as such I don't particularly care much about it.

I'm pretty sure the current SC vote counters your arguments you just made. And no, I didn't ask Aga to write the commendation on me. Outside of us working together on the TSP/XKI cultural festival we don't really know each other.

Multiple past WA Delegates of XKI has been Commended by the Security Council. Kuriko is the most prolific author in SC history and currently has a Commendation for herself in drafting (by an unrelated nation). How and why exactly do you believe that she is an "arrogant... leader?" I'm the WA Delegate of little Thorossia, which has about five WA nations, and my opinion on the Thaecia shambles is pretty much the same as hers...

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NationStates is a game; the dignity of regional leaders, however, is not.

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So why didn't Thaecia/Islonia exclude NAZI EUROPA, Fifth Empire, CoFN and other fascist regions from the recruitment telegram, then?

IDK dude, I don't really care about the WA, just an establishment organisation which doesn't allow most regions to have any influence. The fact he got his friends to help him get a commendation is hardly an achievement lmao

I'm a girl, not a guy. Please use the correct gender identification.

[Cerdenia]

Not really, I am suggesting that the fact you got yourself a commendation in the WA is pretty irrelevant. Most WA nations don't even read resolutions, in the end the organisation is just controlled by a few elites wanting to award each other badges, as such I don't particularly care much about it.

I'm pretty sure the current SC vote counters your arguments you just made. And no, I didn't ask Aga to write the commendation on me. Outside of us working together on the TSP/XKI cultural festival we don't really know each other.

IDK dude, I don't really care about the WA, just an establishment organisation which doesn't allow most regions to have any influence. The fact he got his friends to help him get a commendation is hardly an achievement lmao

I'm a girl, not a guy. Please use the correct gender identification.

proved nothing liberal, try again later

[Tinhampton]

Are you trying to suggest that Kuriko commissioned Agalaesia to write a draft of "Commend Kuriko" in an attempt to discredit her arguments?

Not really, I am suggesting that the fact you got yourself a commendation in the WA is pretty irrelevant. Most WA nations don't even read resolutions, in the end the organisation is just controlled by a few elites wanting to award each other badges, as such I don't particularly care much about it.

https://forum.nationstates.net/search.php?keywords=%22Commend%20Tinhampton%22&t=7503. I am not Kuriko or Agalaesia; this is my only WA account, as the rules dictate. For future reference, I have written exactly one Commendation, but that was targeted at a roleplayer and was written without asking for any input from him.

(The Premier's open letter about this whole recruitment shitshow)

[Cerdenia]

Not really, I am suggesting that the fact you got yourself a commendation in the WA is pretty irrelevant. Most WA nations don't even read resolutions, in the end the organisation is just controlled by a few elites wanting to award each other badges, as such I don't particularly care much about it.

https://forum.nationstates.net/search.php?keywords=%22Commend%20Tinhampton%22&t=7503. I am not Kuriko or Agalaesia; this is my only WA account, as the rules dictate. For future reference, I have written exactly one Commendation, but that was targeted at a roleplayer and was written without asking for any input from him.

(The Premier's open letter about this whole recruitment shitshow)

No-one is claiming you are either of them tbh, don't get your point.

[Tinhampton]

https://forum.nationstates.net/search.php?keywords=%22Commend%20Tinhampton%22&t=7503. I am not Kuriko or Agalaesia; this is my only WA account, as the rules dictate. For future reference, I have written exactly one Commendation, but that was targeted at a roleplayer and was written without asking for any input from him.

(The Premier's open letter about this whole recruitment shitshow)

No-one is claiming you are either of them tbh, don't get your point.

You quoted my post and said that "you got yourself a commendation in the WA" - I assume that you were meant to quote Kuriko (whose Commendation is only being drafted). In any case, Thaecia engaging in tag:wa recruitment simply because it's perfectly legal and they're only the 59th-biggest region in the world is not going to get them any brownie points any time soon.

[Cerdenia]

No-one is claiming you are either of them tbh, don't get your point.

You quoted my post and said that "you got yourself a commendation in the WA" - I assume that you were meant to quote Kuriko (whose Commendation is only being drafted). In any case, Thaecia engaging in tag:wa recruitment simply because it's perfectly legal and they're only the 59th-biggest region in the world is not going to get them any brownie points any time soon.

I was talking about WA commendations in general, seeing as most are coordinated between friends to acquire badges.

We don't need any brownie points with the establishment, we would much rather grow through our own merit while coolaborating with regions which respect our sovereignty and decisions.

[Kuriko]

You quoted my post and said that "you got yourself a commendation in the WA" - I assume that you were meant to quote Kuriko (whose Commendation is only being drafted). In any case, Thaecia engaging in tag:wa recruitment simply because it's perfectly legal and they're only the 59th-biggest region in the world is not going to get them any brownie points any time soon.

I was talking about WA commendations in general, seeing as most are coordinated between friends to acquire badges.

We don't need any brownie points with the establishment, we would much rather grow through our own merit while coolaborating with regions which respect our sovereignty and decisions.

You really have no idea how the SC works if you think that. Agalaesia and I hardly know each other, Fauxia doesn't really know Candensia, I didn't know Common Territories before writing the commendation or Sarzonia, Makdon doesn't know Almonaster, Bormiar didn't know Kindjal. Your logic is full of holes.

[One Small Island]

We don't need any brownie points with the establishment, we would much rather grow through our own merit while coolaborating with regions which respect our sovereignty and decisions.

Not trying to take sides on the recruitment/"WA Elite" debate or anything, because it's whatever. Other people are far more capable than me of arguing with you about that.

But um. How many regions do you think are going to want to collaborate with you if you keep trying to poach their members?

I imagine you have some plan like 'we'll exclude any region that wants to collab with us from future tgs', but like if you're already trying to poach their members, what region is going to want to collaborate with yours in the future? It feels like you're severely limiting your potential future collaborators with your recruitment tactics.

Just something to think about, I don't expect to change your mind on anything. You guys are gonna do you, whatever I have to say on it.

[Reploid Productions]

Seems like you could use a tinfoil hat.

And it seems like you should review the site rules lest you make an actionable habit of flamebaiting.

:eyebrow:

Don't spam. If all you have to add is a single smiley, don't bother posting.

ok liberal

proved nothing liberal, try again later

And given your warning history across prior puppets, particularly some malicious impersonation antics back in December, *** WARNED for spam/flamebaiting. ***

This is a political game. Far beyond the purely mechanical systems of founders, delegates, influence, and regional officers, one of the most vital resources a region looking to grow or become influential needs is good relations and reputation within the larger community. Burn those bridges, and you'll find yourselves severely limiting your options. If all you're after is a comfortable region for a group of friends to meme away in then the greater community doesn't matter much, but if you're looking to become a major political power the attitude displayed by your members is going to kneecap the region's efforts by tanking your reputation.

There are a great many things in the game that are perfectly game legal in that they do not break the site rules, but are considered to be very socially unacceptable and carry with them social consequences. For example, things such as targeting recruitment messages to WA players in a specific region may be game-legal, but such 'poaching' is severely frowned on by the community and can be met with community consequences such as counter-poaching campaigns, refusal to engage in inter-regional cooperation, and all the way up to total political isolation of your region. This forum is generously littered with examples of both good and poor regional politicking, I would recommend taking a spin through older threads. (And I'm sure if asked many of our longtime regulars could dig up specific examples for those curious.)


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[Cerdenia]

We don't need any brownie points with the establishment, we would much rather grow through our own merit while coolaborating with regions which respect our sovereignty and decisions.

Not trying to take sides on the recruitment/"WA Elite" debate or anything, because it's whatever. Other people are far more capable than me of arguing with you about that.

But um. How many regions do you think are going to want to collaborate with you if you keep trying to poach their members?

I imagine you have some plan like 'we'll exclude any region that wants to collab with us from future tgs', but like if you're already trying to poach their members, what region is going to want to collaborate with yours in the future? It feels like you're severely limiting your potential future collaborators with your recruitment tactics.

Just something to think about, I don't expect to change your mind on anything. You guys are gonna do you, whatever I have to say on it.

Based upon experience, our citizens have had a much better time when we were not being constantly bothered by the demands of foreign embassies bothering us because of our regional policy. If the type of collaboration they want to do with us is one in which our region has to bow down to the demands of foreign elites than our citizens for certain will enjoy much more to participate in our regional politics.

[Islonia]

God. May we stop talking about this?

Thaecia (her citizens) does not and will certainly never care of whatever can be said on the forums or NSGP. Our citizens, outside several government officials and former government officials, do not know much about our foreign relations or do not care in general. This means that whatever anyone will say on us, it will certainly not change anything as people literally don't care about you.

Furthermore, as Mysterious Player (actually his discord username) said, we do not know the difference between IC and OOC. This means that we will certainly not understand what the other is saying, at least at the moment. We will always take everything OOC no matter what, which generally leads to misunderstandings and such. I myself, cannot recognize what is IC and what isn't. We can classify ourselves as memers, shitposters, and even trolls while at the same time running a government and writing, debating and voting on laws. While these two may be classified as OOC and IC, we do not do it. This is why you may always find 'troll' answers to any serious post you can make.

Moreover, WA-Wide telegrams from Thaecia aren't new, and I am surprised you forgot them. Under Andusre's administration, those were monthly run and really effective in getting new and engaged members. While this is sawed as 'poaching' from your perspective, which is, by the way, a stupid assumption as you refer to this method as a way to damage communities. But, if a member of a community actually likes the community he/she is in, why would he/she ever leave the said community to join Thaecia? Us here, we only see this as a means of recruitment and would be completely fine if any other region decided to do the same. That's just having opposite thoughts, nothing else.

Finally, and I am speaking to both any Thaecian reading this and any non-Thaecian reading this, please stop making this such a big deal. Both sides only are feeding the other to mock each other in a vicious and stupid cycle. If you have a complaint about us operating WA-Wide telegrams, do not spread your thoughts on this, especially on a thread owned by a Thaecian citizen, but directly telegram our current Prime Minister or Foreign Affairs Minister. As for the Thaecians, please stop memeing and mocking other nations. Remember, this is a game and while we do not understand each others, there is no need to go down such idiotic routes; please let your government handle this, afterall we are the one that decided to launch this mess, and you therefore have no say in this, especially when you claim to not care about whatever people outside Thaecia are saying.

Thank you for reading me.

Yours truly,
Islonia

♥

[Tinhampton]

Ultimately, it is also our choice how we conduct our recruitment.

We have every right to WA-TG recruit unless you have creditable proof we can't?

Leave your regulations at the door, we don't go by your rules. We are Thaecia. We are Thaecia. I care less if you believe us, who gives a ****?

Thaecia wants to grow through a legitimately legal mean.

We don't need any brownie points with the establishment, we would much rather grow through our own merit while coolaborating with regions which respect our sovereignty and decisions.

Based upon experience, our citizens have had a much better time when we were not being constantly bothered by the demands of foreign embassies bothering us because of our regional policy.

Thaecia (her citizens) does not and will certainly never care of whatever can be said on the forums or NSGP... While this is sawed as 'poaching' from your perspective[,] we only see this as a means of recruitment... If you have a complaint about us operating WA-Wide telegrams, do not spread your thoughts on this, especially on a thread owned by a Thaecian citizen, but directly telegram our current Prime Minister or Foreign Affairs Minister.

We have had two pages of non-Thaecians - mostly called Kuriko - saying that Thaecia's recruitment is unfair to their communities, followed by Thaecians flat-out refusing to give a shit about what anybody else thinks of such recruitment (so as long as it's legal). Nobody will change their mind because of this, although Thaecia may gain a few dozen new recruits - with Quitman Mississippi, who was banned from the WA until a couple of weeks ago after he plagiarised my "Commend The North Pacific," already among them.

The trend I see in the posts quoted above is definitely not helped by a Thaecian representative urging people not to complain about Thaecia's tag:wa recruitment in a thread about Thaecia created by somebody in Thaecia that is literally entitled "Thaecia Is Looking For New Members."

I've survived a lot of shambles in the past - the Lolbertarians, Neutral Zone, CCD, Femdom Empire (x2), Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy, any number of Lazarene coups - but this is the single most catastrophic crapshoot (h/t Bruce Arena) I have ever seen on this website, measured in terms of What The Fuck?s per Forum Post.

[United Cascadian Peoples]

Ultimately, it is also our choice how we conduct our recruitment.

We have every right to WA-TG recruit unless you have creditable proof we can't?

Leave your regulations at the door, we don't go by your rules. We are Thaecia. We are Thaecia. I care less if you believe us, who gives a ****?

Thaecia wants to grow through a legitimately legal mean.

We don't need any brownie points with the establishment, we would much rather grow through our own merit while coolaborating with regions which respect our sovereignty and decisions.

Based upon experience, our citizens have had a much better time when we were not being constantly bothered by the demands of foreign embassies bothering us because of our regional policy.

Thaecia (her citizens) does not and will certainly never care of whatever can be said on the forums or NSGP... While this is sawed as 'poaching' from your perspective[,] we only see this as a means of recruitment... If you have a complaint about us operating WA-Wide telegrams, do not spread your thoughts on this, especially on a thread owned by a Thaecian citizen, but directly telegram our current Prime Minister or Foreign Affairs Minister.

We have had two pages of non-Thaecians - mostly called Kuriko - saying that Thaecia's recruitment is unfair to their communities, followed by Thaecians flat-out refusing to give a shit about what anybody else thinks of such recruitment (so as long as it's legal). Nobody will change their mind because of this, although Thaecia may gain a few dozen new recruits - with Quitman Mississippi, who was banned from the WA until a couple of weeks ago after he plagiarised my "Commend The North Pacific," already among them.

The trend I see in the posts quoted above is definitely not helped by a Thaecian representative urging people not to complain about Thaecia's tag:wa recruitment in a thread about Thaecia created by somebody in Thaecia that is literally entitled "Thaecia Is Looking For New Members."

I've survived a lot of shambles in the past - the Lolbertarians, Neutral Zone, CCD, Femdom Empire (x2), Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy, any number of Lazarene coups - but this is the single most catastrophic crapshoot (h/t Bruce Arena) I have ever seen on this website, measured in terms of What The Fuck?s per Forum Post.

I feel as though there are much greater things that could be argued about, apart from a recruitment TG...
Could be just me, but this feels a bit beneath us...
We could be condemning fascists, trying to create resources to combat climate change or be creating community networks for people personally hurt by Corona virus to receive aid. Yet instead, we're arguing about Telegrams...

[Tinhampton]

SNIP MY MUTTERINGS ABOUT THIS THREAD

I feel as though there are much greater things that could be argued about, apart from a recruitment TG...
Could be just me, but this feels a bit beneath us...
We could be condemning fascists, trying to create resources to combat climate change or be creating community networks for people personally hurt by Corona virus to receive aid. Yet instead, we're arguing about Telegrams...

Condemning fascists? We don't, we liberate them instead.
Climate change? Not a Gameplay matter (unless you're using that as a euphemism for coups, which you probably aren't).
Coronavirus? Not a Gameplay matter.

One-and-a-tenth out of three ain't bad... Also interesting to note that the biggest of Thaecia's Big Three parties, which was founded by the president, claims that "efforts to boost immigration are still lacking," would love to hear Titanne's thoughts on this initiative (whether or not they have any arguments other than regional sovereignty to offer)...

[Islonia]

We have had two pages of non-Thaecians - mostly called Kuriko - saying that Thaecia's recruitment is unfair to their communities, followed by Thaecians flat-out refusing to give a shit about what anybody else thinks of such recruitment (so as long as it's legal). Nobody will change their mind because of this, although Thaecia may gain a few dozen new recruits - with Quitman Mississippi, who was banned from the WA until a couple of weeks ago after he plagiarised my "Commend The North Pacific," already among them.

The trend I see in the posts quoted above is definitely not helped by a Thaecian representative urging people not to complain about Thaecia's tag:wa recruitment in a thread about Thaecia created by somebody in Thaecia that is literally entitled "Thaecia Is Looking For New Members."

I've survived a lot of shambles in the past - the Lolbertarians, Neutral Zone, CCD, Femdom Empire (x2), Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy, any number of Lazarene coups - but this is the single most catastrophic crapshoot (h/t Bruce Arena) I have ever seen on this website, measured in terms of What The Fuck?s per Forum Post.

Sorry, it took me some time to answer because I got a general forum error that kept popping up.

Not gonna lie, if you stay more than an hour on our discord server you could do dozens of those. (In the "WTF per forum post")

As for the trend, for you it may not seem helping, but, again, this thread is not government-sponsored. This is why I posted this message. People were throwing their thoughts at each other on a government tg:wa recruitment "discussion" despite this being a citizen initiative in the first place. You (people who spoke on this thread) decided to complain about Thaecia's recruitment here and decided to meme answer. So, of course, I'm urging people not to complain about the Thaecian Government on a Non-Government thread.

Outside this, I understand what you are saying on our recruitment being unfair to non-Thaecian communities. However, what I fail to understand is how exactly would it be unfair? As said upper, WA-Wide recruitment is socially unacceptable, only because you made it so. It's unfair because some regions do not want to cross this red line. Thaecia crossed that line in the past and did it once again yesterday. If everyone was doing it, it wouldn't be unfair. Regions are only limiting themselves because of ingame constructions. Why? Poaching always comes out as the/one of the reason(s) but considering how quick this can be confronted with another supposedly solid argument, is there any other reason?

One-and-a-tenth out of three ain't bad... Also interesting to note that the biggest of Thaecia's Big Three parties, which was founded by the president, claims that "efforts to boost immigration are still lacking," would love to hear Titanne's thoughts on this initiative (whether or not they have any arguments other than regional sovereignty to offer)...

How is "regional sovereignty" an argument?