Thaecia Is Looking For New Members

[Tinhampton]

Not gonna lie, if you stay more than an hour on our discord server you could do dozens of those. (In the "WTF per forum post")

I think we might have to change the units to LOLs per Discord Message if that's what you're saying

As for the trend, for you it may not seem helping, but, again, this thread is not government-sponsored. This is why I posted this message. People were throwing their thoughts at each other on a government tg:wa recruitment "discussion" despite this being a citizen initiative in the first place. You (people who spoke on this thread) decided to complain about Thaecia's recruitment here and decided to meme answer. So, of course, I'm urging people not to complain about the Thaecian Government on a Non-Government thread.

Why should we not be allowed to hold Thaecia to account on a thread that (until its OP self-destructed) was very openly a thread about Thaecia, simply because it was not created by a government official? What are we supposed to discuss in this thread, other than hymns of praise to the Thaecian Government? You are listed as a roleplay minister and a court justice on the Thaecian Government Positions dispatch, and a deputy prime minister in your telegram; it may be a citizen initiative, but it is being conducted by a very influential citizen.

Outside this, I understand what you are saying on our recruitment being unfair to non-Thaecian communities. However, what I fail to understand is how exactly would it be unfair? ...It's unfair because some regions do not want to cross this red line. Thaecia crossed that line in the past and did it once again yesterday. If everyone was doing it, it wouldn't be unfair.

I am not arguing that Thaecia's recruitment is unfair, simply because I mentioned in my earlier post that such is a sincerely-held belief among some non-Thaecians. I wouldn't call it unfair as much as I'd call it opportunistic: If you really want your population to increase from 225 to 300 as is expressed in your telegram, consider telegramming new and refounded nations instead. Furthermore, as the New West Indies have just helped your region learn, these telegrams may have the wider effect of helping to isolate Thaecia from the wider world, which is much more concerning to Thaecia than having a few inhabitants leave would have for those regions.

As said upper, WA-Wide recruitment is socially unacceptable, only because you made it so.

Thank you for making me feel important

Regions are only limiting themselves because of ingame constructions. Why? Poaching always comes out as the/one of the reason(s) but considering how quick this can be confronted with another supposedly solid argument, is there any other reason?

This is a somewhat bizarre argument to be making, given that many Thaecians in this thread are happy with their region's tag:wa recruitment simply because it is legal.

One-and-a-tenth out of three ain't bad... Also interesting to note that the biggest of Thaecia's Big Three parties, which was founded by the president, claims that "efforts to boost immigration are still lacking," would love to hear Titanne's thoughts on this initiative (whether or not they have any arguments other than regional sovereignty to offer)...

How is "regional sovereignty" an argument?

Because that's the line that has been toed by (almost) every single Thaecian that has posted in this thread so far, including the OP. Did you look at the quoted posts at the header of my second-to-last post on Page 2?

[FNU]

I'm ready to see this evolve into a war.
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Also this definantley wasn't a troll program...I even have evidence from Thaecia's "Stamp Donation" project.

[South Reinkalistan]

Thaecia's "Stamp Donation" project.

I'm getting an awful sense of deja vu...

[Islonia]

Not gonna lie, if you stay more than an hour on our discord server you could do dozens of those. (In the "WTF per forum post")

I think we might have to change the units to LOLs per Discord Message if that's what you're saying

We have a starboard(basically a channel where messages that got enough stars [something like an upvote on reddit] appears) and a quote channel.

As for the trend, for you it may not seem helping, but, again, this thread is not government-sponsored. This is why I posted this message. People were throwing their thoughts at each other on a government tg:wa recruitment "discussion" despite this being a citizen initiative in the first place. You (people who spoke on this thread) decided to complain about Thaecia's recruitment here and decided to meme answer. So, of course, I'm urging people not to complain about the Thaecian Government on a Non-Government thread.

Why should we not be allowed to hold Thaecia to account on a thread that (until its OP self-destructed) was very openly a thread about Thaecia, simply because it was not created by a government official? What are we supposed to discuss in this thread, other than hymns of praise to the Thaecian Government? You are listed as a roleplay minister and a court justice on the Thaecian Government Positions dispatch, and a deputy prime minister in your telegram; it may be a citizen initiative, but it is being conducted by a very influential citizen.

He's not influential. He just is a citizen that decided to create a thread on a forum to bring nations to Thaecia. You (people who came here to complain about the TG) came here and made this thread important. That's all.

Outside this, I understand what you are saying on our recruitment being unfair to non-Thaecian communities. However, what I fail to understand is how exactly would it be unfair? ...It's unfair because some regions do not want to cross this red line. Thaecia crossed that line in the past and did it once again yesterday. If everyone was doing it, it wouldn't be unfair.

I am not arguing that Thaecia's recruitment is unfair, simply because I mentioned in my earlier post that such is a sincerely-held belief among some non-Thaecians. I wouldn't call it unfair as much as I'd call it opportunistic: If you really want your population to increase from 225 to 300 as is expressed in your telegram, consider telegramming new and refounded nations instead. Furthermore, as the New West Indies have just helped your region learn, these telegrams may have the wider effect of helping to isolate Thaecia from the wider world, which is much more concerning to Thaecia than having a few inhabitants leave would have for those regions.

While we sent a WA-Wide TG, a tag:new[number) TG was also sent. Sending WA-Wide TGs was already done in the past under another administration and proved to be effective in bringing active an engaged members that are still here today.

As said upper, WA-Wide recruitment is socially unacceptable, only because you made it so.

Thank you for making me feel important

I was speaking about NS in general, not you.

This is a somewhat bizarre argument to be making, given that many Thaecians in this thread are happy with their region's tag:wa recruitment simply because it is legal.

I was speaking of the "poaching" argument you use to say this method of recruitment is bad.

Because that's the line that has been toed by (almost) every single Thaecian that has posted in this thread so far, including the OP. Did you look at the quoted posts at the header of my second-to-last post on Page 2?

It's not an argument, saying "just because I can" doesn't make it an argument.

I'm ready to see this evolve into a war.
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Also this definantley wasn't a troll program...I even have evidence from Thaecia's "Stamp Donation" project.

I mean, if you consider that I put my titles in the TG and sent a tag:wa telegram that costs IRL money, there's not much chance for this to be a "troll" program. I don't get why it would be a "troll" though. As the only "troll" thing that exists and is related to Thaecia right now is her population that as I've said is mostly shitposting and off-beat humour. When it comes to the merger spam, we already explained several times on several platforms and to several people that this was NOT conducted by the Thaecian Government. We are suspecting a raider region that already harmed Thaecia in the past to be behind this.

4:02am, going to bed. I'll answer whatever post that comes next, even if at this point we're just doing circles.

[Tinhampton]

Why should we not be allowed to hold Thaecia to account on a thread that (until its OP self-destructed) was very openly a thread about Thaecia, simply because it was not created by a government official? What are we supposed to discuss in this thread, other than hymns of praise to the Thaecian Government? You are listed as a roleplay minister and a court justice on the Thaecian Government Positions dispatch, and a deputy prime minister in your telegram; it may be a citizen initiative, but it is being conducted by a very influential citizen.

He's not influential. He just is a citizen that decided to create a thread on a forum to bring nations to Thaecia. You (people who came here to complain about the TG) came here and made this thread important. That's all.

I was describing your telegram (you = Islonia), not the OP.

[Sancta Romana Ecclesia]

I was going to make a post, but Reploid already spoke of the issue better than I ever could.

People frown at WA recruitment because it specifically targets some of the most valuable nations in your region. You're not the first region to get crap for that and probably you won't be the last (because someone will try it at a later date). Don't be surprised if you are going to be targetted by counter-recruitment btw.

[Islonia]

He's not influential. He just is a citizen that decided to create a thread on a forum to bring nations to Thaecia. You (people who came here to complain about the TG) came here and made this thread important. That's all.

I was describing your telegram (you = Islonia), not the OP.

Oh. Well we really misunderstood each others in that case. The WA-Wide is not a citizen initiative but a government program. But still, this does not explain why people should complain here when it clearly is stated that this is not a government initiative (this thread).

I was going to make a post, but Reploid already spoke of the issue better than I ever could.

People frown at WA recruitment because it specifically targets some of the most valuable nations in your region. You're not the first region to get crap for that and probably you won't be the last (because someone will try it at a later date). Don't be surprised if you are going to be targetted by counter-recruitment btw.

Yes, he did.

Indeed they target some of the most valuable nations in a region, and those nations, if engaged and active in the said region, won't switch to Thaecia. They already like their region, therefore they have no reason to leave it. I could tell you that just by the sole number of people responding to me saying they won't join Thaecia because they like their region. As for counter-recruitment, we won't be surprised we already knew it would happen.

[Technocratic Founder]

This is your GP thread. Regions get one of those. Therefore this is exactly where people should be talking about Thaecia in all regards.

As for why people are complaining, they don't want their natives poached. Literally all you have to do is recruit new and/or refounded nations, as is the accepted norm, to avoid this flack. An added couple of bonuses is that nobody will target your region in return, and that it'll probably be more efficient in terms of stamps to recruits.

Your having done this before is no excuse to keep doing it. People wouldn't have been happy then, and they're not happy now.

[Aynia Moreaux]

"Moreover, WA-Wide telegrams from Thaecia aren't new, and I am surprised you forgot them. Under Andusre's administration, those were monthly run and really effective in getting new and engaged members. While this is sawed as 'poaching' from your perspective, which is, by the way, a stupid assumption as you refer to this method as a way to damage communities. But, if a member of a community actually likes the community he/she is in, why would he/she ever leave the said community to join Thaecia? Us here, we only see this as a means of recruitment and would be completely fine if any other region decided to do the same. That's just having opposite thoughts, nothing else."

This basically tells me everything I need to know about you guys.

[Latrovia]

The Enadian Union used to do tag:wa about a year and something ago. We changed entirely our recruitment policy as we saw that we were able to draw quite a significant amount of new or refunded players, nevertheless. According to our current EU Global Policy we may recruit WA nations from GCR's but that will depend to our previous months data analysis. Which means that if our passed month was a good month, we dont need to try recruiting WA nations from GCR's.

Point is, if your region is capable to sustain an influx of new players, then you don't really need tag:wa anyway, but I highly doubt that you can do any of that, judging from your past 3 split regions and constant shit talk in your Discord server. All and all, Thaecia is unable to sustain a proactive or diplomatic environment for its own players or foreign envoys. To add to that, your administrations past or present are simply incapable to sustain or adhere to the basic principles of democracy and liberty as you claim. As there is no liberty when you constantly attempt to strip it from other regions. I am happy to deliver also more documents that have been gathered against Thaecia for the deliberate suppression of democracy which caused them 3 splits and a significant number loss which they had to cover up with puppets.

[Islonia]

Point is, if your region is capable to sustain an influx of new players, then you don't really need tag:wa anyway, but I highly doubt that you can do any of that, judging from your past 3 split regions and constant shit talk in your Discord server. All and all, Thaecia is unable to sustain a proactive or diplomatic environment for its own players or foreign envoys. To add to that, your administrations past or present are simply incapable to sustain or adhere to the basic principles of democracy and liberty as you claim. As there is no liberty when you constantly attempt to strip it from other regions. I am happy to deliver also more documents that have been gathered against Thaecia for the deliberate suppression of democracy which caused them 3 splits and a significant number loss which they had to cover up with puppets.

Yes, and every one of them failed. Covering the loss of how many with puppets, exactly? What's even the point of doing this considering only the number of active nations (which is not quantifiable at the national level) counts? Tell me, since you seem to know more about Thaecia than Thaecia knows about herself.

As for suppressing democracy, you're talking about a group of people who, for a while, were extremely toxic. The way they were banned was unacceptable and undemocratic, but given the slow agony in the region weeks after their arrival (our current Prime Minister had left the region at the time), they should have left anyway. I myself would have liked things to have been different, but that is the past. Furthermore, the person who carried out the ban has no power to do so now.

There are a lot of dark spots on Thaecia, and you can be sure that we will still be questioning them as time goes by. We don't need you or anyone to use such worthless information to mischaracterise the entirety of Thaecia.

This is your GP thread. Regions get one of those. Therefore this is exactly where people should be talking about Thaecia in all regards.

As for why people are complaining, they don't want their natives poached. Literally all you have to do is recruit new and/or refounded nations, as is the accepted norm, to avoid this flack. An added couple of bonuses is that nobody will target your region in return, and that it'll probably be more efficient in terms of stamps to recruits.

Your having done this before is no excuse to keep doing it. People wouldn't have been happy then, and they're not happy now.

He became our thread because of this mess, but at first he was not.

I've already said that I understand why they're complaining, my problem is that I don't see why it's so important. We are not targeting a specific region, and if a resident of a region likes his/her residence in that region, he/she will not move to Thaecia. Is there anything else or is this argument the only reason people are unhappy? Are you really making a tag:wa TG such a big deal with so few reasons?

As people who are not happy for such an illogical reason. No one has an excuse to do what they do, but we do it anyway.

[Latrovia]

Point is, if your region is capable to sustain an influx of new players, then you don't really need tag:wa anyway, but I highly doubt that you can do any of that, judging from your past 3 split regions and constant shit talk in your Discord server. All and all, Thaecia is unable to sustain a proactive or diplomatic environment for its own players or foreign envoys. To add to that, your administrations past or present are simply incapable to sustain or adhere to the basic principles of democracy and liberty as you claim. As there is no liberty when you constantly attempt to strip it from other regions. I am happy to deliver also more documents that have been gathered against Thaecia for the deliberate suppression of democracy which caused them 3 splits and a significant number loss which they had to cover up with puppets.

Yes, and every one of them failed. Covering the loss of how many with puppets, exactly? What's even the point of doing this considering only the number of active nations (which is not quantifiable at the national level)? Tell me, since you seem to know more about Thaecia than Thaecia knows about herself.

As for suppressing democracy, you're talking about a group of people who, for a while, were extremely toxic. The way they were banned was unacceptable and undemocratic, but given the slow agony in the region weeks after their arrival (our current Prime Minister had left the region at the time), they should have left anyway. I myself would have liked things to have been different, but that is the past. Furthermore, the person who carried out the ban has no power to do so now.

There are a lot of dark spots on Thaecia, and you can be sure that we will still be questioning them as time goes by. We don't need you or anyone to use such worthless information to mischaracterise the entirety of Thaecia.

That is true. You don't need me or anyone else to mischaracterise Thaecia, you and your officials seem very capable of doing that by yourselves.
Also I don't think that, there is really any point speaking about democracy, freedom or liberty in Thaecia, when you follow these principles only when it suits you.
The very least that your government could do, now that you are made aware that this path is not acceptable as it hurts the work of many other UCR's is to gather the strength and apologize.

But I guess, we would be asking for way too much anyway.

[United Republic Empire]

I guess I need to go put together a nice little collage of all the times Thaecia asked us for help, the time when Thaecia was booted from AoR and we worked as a mediator for your region.

Your people are good and decent, it's the sketchy government that is dragging Thaecia down. If the region has an attitude of "we'll do it regardless and because we can" then that sounds much like political tyranny and explains why large groups of your people left in droves. It's a testimony to your region's government character and explains why your region is struggling to make ends meet.

[Islonia]

That is true. You don't need me or anyone else to mischaracterise Thaecia, you and your officials seem very capable of doing that by yourselves.

Exactly. We don't need people that know little to absolutely nothing about Thaecia to come and brag about anything. Because at least when we're doing it, we can correct ourselves. But if for example, YOU do it, people will choose to believe you and your lies.

Also I don't think that, there is really any point speaking about democracy, freedom or liberty in Thaecia, when you follow these principles only when it suits you.

We're both biased in this, so you saying this won't change anything.

The very least that your government could do, now that you are made aware that this path is not acceptable as it hurts the work of many other UCR's is to gather the strength and apologize.

But I guess, we would be asking for way too much anyway.

Latrovia, the only argument people are giving us is "poaching". We do not understand this argument, and none in here seem interested to develop or defend it, instead, they are just throwing it here.

To quote another Thaecian;

I wouldn't call it 'poaching', but that's semantics. I believe that if nations are truly dedicated to their home region, a recruitment telegram would do little to dissuade them anyway. We have drawn criticism for this in the past, but all parties came to their senses a week or two later and the issue quieted down. It is, after all, just a telegram. Some regions have already expressed their intention to begin 'poaching' our members with retaliatory recruiting. I don't particularly take offense to this, since I know our region has a dedicated core of individuals who won't be lured away.

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I guess I need to go put together a nice little collage of all the times Thaecia asked us for help, the time when Thaecia was booted from AoR and we worked as a mediator for your region.

To be honest, no one really cared about the AoR. They only saw them as people interfering in something they shouldn't. And, I believe you are talking about Levantx who may yes have asked you for help with the AoR. But it ends here, it was only him.

Your people are good and decent, it's the sketchy government that is dragging Thaecia down. If the region has an attitude of "we'll do it regardless and because we can" then that sounds much like political tyranny and explains why large groups of your people left in droves. It's a testimony to your region's government character and explains why your region is struggling to make ends meet.

To you, it may look like this. But, the majority of the citizens agree with the policy of tag:wa recruitment. And, be sure that if any political tyranny exists, I'll be the first person to confront it.

It's a testimony to our region's character, yes. It just shows how disconnected we are from your world.

And outside throwing the "poaching" argument at us, saying that it is our unwillingness to understand it (despite opposing supposedly valid criticism to the argument), you don't even try to explain anything. Just see how Josh & Co like to mock us on the NSGP Discord server, or how Latrovia literally posts here that he has some evidence of flaws in the Thaecian Democracy. This also gives us a testimony to your character and explains why we are struggling to understand each other.
Right now, the only person that decided to somewhat discuss with us of this argument is a Thalassian diplomat, that's it.

[Brototh]

Anyway, this was fun, chaps, anyone up for a cup of tea?

[Islonia]

Anyway, this was fun, chaps, anyone up for a cup of tea?

Sure, but first let me come to London to unplug your Wi-Fi.

[Brototh]

Anyway, this was fun, chaps, anyone up for a cup of tea?

Sure, but first let me come to London to unplug your Wi-Fi.

Ah you always know just what to say

[Tinhampton]

To you [United Republic Empire], it may look like this. But, the majority of the citizens agree with the policy of tag:wa recruitment.

Source?

It's a testimony to our region's character, yes. It just shows how disconnected we are from your world.

Is this just your lot trotting out the RegSov argument that you've been using for the past three pages to defend your actions?

And outside throwing the "poaching" argument at us, saying that it is our unwillingness to understand it (despite opposing supposedly valid criticism to the argument), you don't even try to explain anything. Just see how Josh & Co like to mock us on the NSGP Discord server, or how Latrovia literally posts here that he has some evidence of flaws in the Thaecian Democracy. This also gives us a testimony to your character and explains why we are struggling to understand each other.

So apparently it's no longer OK to criticise Thaecia anywhere in public (rather than just "not on this thread")? If it is somehow OK, then why are you denouncing it otherwise?

[The Marconian State]

Source?

You can come onto Thaecia's discord server and ask its residents for yourself. Be warned, however, you are likely to get trolled by a wild Cerdenia.

Is this just your lot trotting out the RegSov argument that you've been using for the past three pages to defend your actions?

We're going in circles here, you're making the same argument about WA-wide TGs. There's not likely to be any resolution to this.

So apparently it's no longer OK to criticise Thaecia anywhere in public (rather than just "not on this thread")? If it is somehow OK, then why are you denouncing it otherwise?

Again, again, we're going in circles. Sure, you're absolutely free to discuss us here, but that's not what we're doing. The argument hasn't developed, no one is sufficed, we're not going anywhere until you can make a better case for your side.

Let's both go back to the drawing board for now and do better than revolve around the same talking points, eh? After all, neither side wants to deal with this headache.

[Xoriet]

Source?

You can come onto Thaecia's discord server and ask its residents for yourself. Be warned, however, you are likely to get trolled by a wild Cerdenia.

Apparently we don't have to go anywhere near Thaecia's Discord to be pestered by a wild Cerdenia.

[Technocratic Founder]

You can come onto Thaecia's discord server and ask its residents for yourself. Be warned, however, you are likely to get trolled by a wild Cerdenia.

Apparently we don't have to go anywhere near Thaecia's Discord to be pestered by a wild Cerdenia.

Luckily some server bans were dispensed...

[Boda]

Why is ceredenia mean? That really shouldn't have to happen when I reenter thaecia's discorx. (Which I probably won't enter anyhow)

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

I was going to make a post, but Reploid already spoke of the issue better than I ever could.

People frown at WA recruitment because it specifically targets some of the most valuable nations in your region. You're not the first region to get crap for that and probably you won't be the last (because someone will try it at a later date). Don't be surprised if you are going to be targetted by counter-recruitment btw.

I mean, there's even a declaration about it! It's here by the way.

[Kaystein]

You recruited from my region so now I'll recruit from yours. That's all I'm saying on the matter.

[Aynia Moreaux]

So having been in your discord and literally watching you guys planning how to troll the nsgp discord, I'm just going to come to the conclusion that ya'll are just a group of trolls so far successfully, getting a rise out of gp. You really don't deserve the attention and it really seems like you guys just need to grow up. I don't think I'm going to waste my time with this thread anymore, might be the best idea.