The Eastern Pacific Sovereign Army

[Yokiria]

Good job flexing on me for absolutely no reason. Seriously, nothing in my comment warranted that.

Let's not pretend "maybe experienced players that have gone through coups know what they're talking about" wasn't an attempt at the same, or some kind of use of experience to back up your point.

Its also quite funny cos I experienced at least two coups in the region you currently reside in.

It wasn't a flex. You were being dismissive, I countered that with what you call "use of experience". Hell, with how experienced you are, surely you recognize that AMOM's rising status in TEP shortly after Fedele tried to coup is suspicious.

PS: Experiencing coups in Osiris used to be an old pastime for Osirans. I'm actually surprised your number isn't higher.

You missed the point of what I was saying. Where else could I possibly post these concerns? Do you think I could go on TEP's forums or Discord and be taken seriously there?

I'll admit I'm having trouble taking you seriously here.

So is Marrabuk. So is TEP. And that would be a serious problem if I was on TEP's forums or Discord, because I'd be shut up and shut down quickly. Here, I don't have to worry if I sound ridiculous. I can still voice my concerns and the best TEP can do to shut me down is make a weak case for 'threadjacking'. So, honestly? Long live the peanut gallery.

[A Bloodred Moon]

I'm certainly not happy to see them promoting the likes of you, working with Lone Wolves United and specifically Scardino/Fedele on military operations again, etc. All of that is concerning to me, not just as a gameplay observer but as a citizen of an allied region.

I fail to see how working with a raider organisation on a raid poses security threats to you/Osiris/TEP/whoever you’re speaking for. Your point regarding Fedele makes more sense, but if the region that was actually harmed by Fedele’s actions can work with Fedele, I’m not sure why you believe you have to criticise them for it.

Of course, if Osiris believes AMOM’s presence in TEP to directly threaten them, they can always withdraw from the treaty.

[Yokiria]

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Thank you for your opinions and concerns.

[Ethan Allen]

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. AMOM is an upstanding guy and player. He will lead the ESPA with honor and dignity because that’s who he is. When he sets his mind to do something, he does it right. He always told me that TEP was important to him, and I’m glad to see that he’s going back to his roots and finding success.

[ArenaC]

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. AMOM is an upstanding guy and player. He will lead the ESPA with honor and dignity because that’s who he is. When he sets his mind to do something, he does it right. He always told me that TEP was important to him, and I’m glad to see that he’s going back to his roots and finding success.

Not to mention he had a pretty solid campaign during the delegate elections a few days ago

[Tretrid]

Things aside, I must state that I find all this back-and-forth quite amusing, despite it being a bit closer to home than usual. Well, there's a reason I usually only lurk around the GP forum. I need to spend way less time in GP.

Honestly, when this op happened, I was expecting more arguments about TEP and co being evil for occupying Slatos than causing a huge drama over who posted the report. Though again, I might have greatly underestimated GP's ability to generate drama, which in general is a silly mistake.

[Ethan Allen]

I believe that once he fulfills his duties in The EPSA, he should totally launch another campaign for becoming the Delegate. I’d vote for him if I could. For now, I’ll be content rooting for EPSA.

The East Pacific was fully justified in its attack on Slatos, Tretrid.

[Tretrid]

I believe that once he fulfills his duties in The EPSA, he should totally launch another campaign for becoming the Delegate. I’d vote for him if I could. For now, I’ll be content rooting for EPSA.

The East Pacific was fully justified in its attack on Slatos, Tretrid.

Yes, having participated in said op, Slatos definitely had it coming.

But I think we all know how capable GP is of generating drama over things anyway as demonstrated by a lot of the arguing in this thread.

[Yokiria]

I'll make sure to mention to my Pharaoh that you think Osiran complaints directed at TEP housing a perpetrator of an attack on the OFO's sovereignty is just "generated drama". I'm sure that'll go over well, Minister.

[Tretrid]

I'll make sure to mention to my Pharaoh that you think Osiran complaints directed at TEP housing a perpetrator of an attack on the OFO's sovereignty is just "generated drama". I'm sure that'll go over well, Minister.

Is everything I say going to be misinterpreted in the worst way possible? Probably.

I'm not speaking out particularly in support of AMOM, as I am perfectly aware as his colorful history. I just didn't expect that matter to come up here, now.

[Numero Capitan]

The Joint Task Force is always happy to work with the EPSA to uphold the region's sovereignty

Hopefully the number of regions and nations that showed up to support this jump demonstrates that the East Pacific doesn't need to rely on its own convicted criminals for endorsements in the future

[Yokiria]

I'll just wait for whatever comes out of the talks between our two governments now.

I'll will say, in closing, that I'm bothered that an ally of Osiris would have one of Osiris' enemies in positions of power, and I'm also concerned that TEP has let another player with bad intentions gain power in their region. Osiris is my home, but I spent a good chunk of my time on NS in TEP as well. I don't want to see it come to harm any more than it already has, and I worry that will happen with AMOM there. AMOM is inactive when he's bored, and active when he's not bored, and AMOM is always bored on this site unless he's got a plan to wrek someone's day.

[Tretrid]

Going to post for the last time tonight, hopefully before sleep deprivation makes my posting completely inane. And yet I probably will write this in a way that will end up drawing me in this further.

I think a much better way to say what I phrased is to say that I didn't expect all this discussion over how AMOM is evil simply from the fact that he wrote and posted a report. Now, if we were to announce he got some important position like the Viziership or the Delegacy, I would hardly be surprised by people thinking that TEP would get couped and become another NLO.

I would also state that nothing I state on this thread will be in an official capacity. My views do not represent, nor should be construed, as representing the position of TEP. If I were to post anything official, I wouldn't be posting from this nation. I have an opinion, but try my best to detach it from any official work. Any official positions on the matter of AMOM's standing will come from elsewhere in the government, anyway, so it isn't really my place to give any sort of official statement.

The Joint Task Force is always happy to work with the EPSA to uphold the region's sovereignty

Hopefully the number of regions and nations that showed up to support this jump demonstrates that the East Pacific doesn't need to rely on its own convicted criminals for endorsements in the future

Indeed. Let this be a message to those who anger TEP and its allies.

[WayNeacTia]

Positively nauseating to see AMOM back in any position of power or influence in The East Pacific. I wish I'd fought the TEP-Osiris treaty harder.

Oh calm down. AMOM lost his commendation and got thrown to the wolves by Ivan. It maybe possible that he has changed? Pretty much everything he did was within the realm of the game anyway. It's not like he destroyed forums and shit like that. He couped a region. You have done it as well. Should we hound you to the ends of the Earth for it?

[Sedequia]

I was happy to help the operation, and glad to see our allies coming to help us with it

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Let's not pretend "maybe experienced players that have gone through coups know what they're talking about" wasn't an attempt at the same, or some kind of use of experience to back up your point.

Its also quite funny cos I experienced at least two coups in the region you currently reside in.

It wasn't a flex. You were being dismissive, I countered that with what you call "use of experience". Hell, with how experienced you are, surely you recognize that AMOM's rising status in TEP shortly after Fedele tried to coup is suspicious.

Fair enough, I guess maybe we got wires crossed somewhere along the line.

And I'm always suspicious whenever AMOM is around.

PS: Experiencing coups in Osiris used to be an old pastime for Osirans. I'm actually surprised your number isn't higher.

Depends on if you count OFO 1 as a coup tbh.

I'll admit I'm having trouble taking you seriously here.

So is Marrabuk. So is TEP. And that would be a serious problem if I was on TEP's forums or Discord, because I'd be shut up and shut down quickly. Here, I don't have to worry if I sound ridiculous. I can still voice my concerns and the best TEP can do to shut me down is make a weak case for 'threadjacking'. So, honestly? Long live the peanut gallery.

Fair enough. Peanut gallery is one of the few interesting things that happens in this forum nowadays.

[Twins of Hearts]

Positively nauseating to see AMOM back in any position of power or influence in The East Pacific. I wish I'd fought the TEP-Osiris treaty harder.

Oh calm down. AMOM lost his commendation and got thrown to the wolves by Ivan. It maybe possible that he has changed? Pretty much everything he did was within the realm of the game anyway. It's not like he destroyed forums and shit like that. He couped a region. You have done it as well. Should we hound you to the ends of the Earth for it?

Yes. Why should he get a commend/condemn for what most players get blacklisted over? Or the NPO gets teased about forever? Oh right, back scratching.

Also, TEP has always been the least interesting Pacific IMHO and I think that what Fedele/"Scardino" did was awesome, and should continue until the place gets a better vibe. I mean masonic imagery? Cringe.

I have always thought a true South American Mayan Themed region would fit the place much better.

[The Church of Satan]

Yes. Why should he get a commend/condemn for what most players get blacklisted over? Or the NPO gets teased about forever? Oh right, back scratching.

Also, TEP has always been the least interesting Pacific IMHO and I think that what Fedele/"Scardino" did was awesome, and should continue until the place gets a better vibe. I mean masonic imagery? Cringe.

I have always thought a true South American Mayan Themed region would fit the place much better.

Nobody gets blacklisted for couping regions. They might earn themselves the distrust of others for a while, but never blacklisted. Don't make this about you.

[Twins of Hearts]

Yes. Why should he get a commend/condemn for what most players get blacklisted over? Or the NPO gets teased about forever? Oh right, back scratching.

Also, TEP has always been the least interesting Pacific IMHO and I think that what Fedele/"Scardino" did was awesome, and should continue until the place gets a better vibe. I mean masonic imagery? Cringe.

I have always thought a true South American Mayan Themed region would fit the place much better.

Nobody gets blacklisted for couping regions. They might earn themselves the distrust of others for a while, but never blacklisted. Don't make this about you.

Where, exactly, and please quote, did I mention anything about me? Be very specific if you please. I dislike the dissembling and passive voice stuff.

So yes, keep attacking TEP and make it something interesting! Maybe the first "wild west" feeder in awhile. It sure is sitting as pretty as a turnip right now, waiting for a real identity...

[Blight-Bane]

Nobody gets blacklisted for couping regions. They might earn themselves the distrust of others for a while, but never blacklisted.

Therein lies the rub. I'm not saying anyone should be 'blacklisted', but you said it yourself, they earn distrust for awhile. Isn't that pretty much the thrust of the outrage here (albeit hypocritically in some cases)?

[WayNeacTia]

Nobody gets blacklisted for couping regions. They might earn themselves the distrust of others for a while, but never blacklisted. Don't make this about you.

Where, exactly, and please quote, did I mention anything about me? Be very specific if you please. I dislike the dissembling and passive voice stuff.

Subtlety really isn't your strong suit. You can figure out exactly what was being implied. No one is going to take your bait, so you may as well just drop the issue.

[Twins of Hearts]

Where, exactly, and please quote, did I mention anything about me? Be very specific if you please. I dislike the dissembling and passive voice stuff.

Subtlety really isn't your strong suit. You can figure out exactly what was being implied. No one is going to take your bait, so you may as well just drop the issue.

Bait? I am not fishing, I am typing on a computer. Are you fishing?

We were talking about blacklisting a couper, or something before the derailment. I of course do not support blacklisting, but that is for another thread.

I will assume since no proof was provided, none exists, and simply move onto TEP, and re-comment that TEP is Sovereign and having an experienced, long time gameplayer leading their army is a GOOD thing.

[Yokiria]

We were talking about blacklisting a couper

No we weren't.

[Apno Tenaros]

any anonymous account that is an anagram of an NPO Senator

Name one such account.

[The Pharcyde]

or Milo for that matter)

tbh milo was always better than npo

I appreciate Elegarth's clarification that the NPO won't deal with Milo. It's a very brave policy.

If anyone believes any of this, I have a mountain in the Himalayas to sell them. AMOM's post was a rehashed piece (circa 2012) of sweeping NPO rhetoric about infiltrators and preserving regional sovereignty (with the UDL getting an honorable mention!) from a guy whose CV includes infiltrating Lazarus, Osiris, and TEP -- then followed up by a comprehensive denial by an NPO Praetor.

I take the NPO at their word with regards to AMOM. There's an argument to be made that he caused two imperial resignations.

I am not fishing, I am typing on a computer.

Quite bold of you to assume those activities are disjoint.