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Dear Gameplay Community: Don't Feed the Trolls

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Cormactopia Prime
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Ex-Nation

Dear Gameplay Community: Don't Feed the Trolls

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:06 pm

Dear gameplayers,

Hi, it's me, Cormac. But actually that's not my name. I mention this because I think it's important on occasion that we take a step back and remember there are actual players behind these nations, behind these screens. There have been times I've failed to do that, times we all have, but the important thing is that we continue to make an effort toward being mindful of it. I'd like to ask that you make an effort to be mindful of it as you're reading this.

As some of you know, a group of vicious trolls whom I will not name because I don't want to give them the satisfaction of being named has recently targeted me with homophobic remarks and threats of violence on one of their off-site platforms. This isn't the first time this has happened to me on the internet and it won't be the last, but I mention it to establish that I'm not just some random bystander who is merely remarking on what these trolls have done to other people, I am one of the people affected by their behavior. I bring this up because I am asking you to please reconsider the way you have been dealing with these trolls, and others, in recent times.

I think some of you have forgotten the first rule of ensuring your own and others' emotional survival on the internet. Don't feed the trolls. Don't give them attention. That's how you deal with trolls on the internet, but that's not how we've been dealing with our trolls in the gameplay community. Instead, we reply to the threads they start even though it's clear they started them to get a reaction from us. When they invade dead regions with no remaining communities, we overreact to the maximum extent possible, proposing liberation resolutions they laugh off as they move on to their next song and dance designed to attract your anger and indignation. They feed on it, thrive on it, and when you give it to them you're giving them exactly what they want.

You may think sure, but it makes me feel better. If you stop and think through the implications though, I'm not sure it would make you feel any better. Because what these trolls are doing is they're trying to make themselves the center of gameplay, the focal point of your game. They're trying to coerce you into treating them as opponents in a game rather than trolls to be shunned. They're trying to force you to play the game with them on their terms, rather than opting not to play the game with them at all. They are, essentially, trying to take control of the game that belongs to all of us, and trying to insist it belongs to them. When you reply to them, when you give them the reaction they want and turn them into the opponents they want to be, you are just encouraging them, just giving them a little piece of your game and a little piece of further control over the game that belongs to each and every one of us who play by the rules and the standards set by our communities.

You may also think it's all well and good to ignore them when we can, but what about helping others who are being adversely affected by their actions, such as natives residing in the regions they invade? That's a valid point, though in many cases there aren't even natives remaining in these regions, they're dead regions. Nonetheless, we have a choice to make. We can choose to let what's happening in these founderless regions force us to engage with these trolls, or we can choose a different, subtler approach. I don't know exactly what that approach should look like, but maybe it would look like quietly contacting natives and helping them through the process of establishing a new region and abandoning the one targeted by the trolls in question. Maybe it involves other quiet, subtle methods, but there has to be something better than the full scale attention we are giving to these trolls. Let's find better ways.

This won't all be easy at first. If these trolls see this strategy going into effect, they'll escalate to try to keep getting reactions. They'll tell you you're letting them win by ignoring them. But make no mistake, these people only feel like they're winning when they're making you put your time and energy into angry, frustrated words and actions against them, when you're slipping up and getting yourselves red text while they just put a toe over the line here or there but mostly escape consequences for their actions. They feel like irrelevant losers when you ignore them and refuse to play the game with them, refuse to let them be part of your game. No matter what they say, that's the reality of it. It's what drives everything they do in the context of their trolling in this game. It's worth it for yourselves and for your communities to just quietly ban them from your communities, but otherwise give them absolutely none of the attention they're seeking. It's also worth it for the people they have victimized, myself included, who would like to see them ignored until they finally go away. They will, eventually, if we just keep ignoring them, because it's the attention they need.

I hope you'll all please seriously consider what I've had to say and not waste your attention on those who don't deserve it, not let your game be controlled by people who have no right to even participate in it. Take back your game, don't let the trolls have it.

Regards,
Me

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Refugee Arks
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Refugee Arks » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:15 pm

That was very thoughtful. Thanks for taking the time.

Hope things get better for you behind the scenes.

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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:22 pm

I agree that it's a "lose" case when one allow those who've come to this site largely to troll others with the very fact that, depsite how terrible they treat certain people offsite, they're allowed to rub their existence in your face here by feigning to be sheep, to succeed in their trolling attempt.

I however also can't move past that it's *also* a lose case to allow said folks to fill their other purpose - to whitewash their image, gain renoun, gain support to attempt to control large regions (they've discussed transforming their campaigns into controlling a GCR, as a dream and plan), and recruit others to their cause - without any public opposition or attempt to make clear their true nature, in the name of "not feeding them."

It's a lose-lose.

I advocated in the CAIN era that, statistically, loud and proud opposition to those trolls, the fash, including advertising military operation against them, gave them growth spurts and attention. But I also didn't support ignoring them entirely - letting them operate and advertise and publicize without reprimand also enables them.

Where's the middle ground? I care less about "letting them get to me" than about leaving their claims unchallenged to unaware bystanders - in large becuase historically, ignoring the group in question has never stopped them from staying/coming back, so damage control is more important to me, even if NS doesn't care about letting them recruit for their evil here.
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Altino
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Altino » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:47 pm

Yes, yes, yes. Exactly this. This was always bound to happen. But these are people who are only even here anymore because they crave our attention. If they wanted to play NS, they would be perfectly capable of doing it outside of our immediate community. But that's not what they do, they lurk around the outside of our circle either begging for us to let them back in or trying to force our hand through sheer edgy intrigue. This isn't about NS, this is about GP as a community validating them - like a child who hits because they know they will get Mommy's attention if they misbehave. It is easy to feel powerless against people who simply will not go away, but the truth of the matter is all power is in our hands. We can choose not to give them the validation that they want so badly. They can taunt us and try to force our hand and elicit reaction from us. But there is nothing at all that they can do about it if we choose not to react.

Eventually the less deplorable of them will get tired of being around people they know are vile and the group will split up. They know that they are not on the same level as these other guys and they will get themselves out of it with time. For now, my personal approach is non-intervention, and I think that's the best thing for all of us to do. We can inform people who need to be informed and build walls where they need to be built, but none of us signed up to babysit these kids and there's no reason that we should inflict that upon ourselves for their own amusement. This is not the Nanny 911 of NS.
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Ethan Allen
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Ex-Nation

Postby Ethan Allen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:11 pm

Outright lies and hypocritical grandstanding at it’s finest. Everyone loves a melodramatic soap box to clamor to, and you provide. Bravo! :clap:
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Badivermeraed
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Ex-Nation

Postby Badivermeraed » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:27 pm

I could not agree more. I hope that this changes everyone's thinking, and that we can move forward as a collective group to take NS and the Community as a whole back to, well, the Community.
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Sho
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Postby Sho » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:22 pm

Well said, Cormac! Time to push forward as a community and leave em in the dust.
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Wymondham
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Libertarian Police State

Postby Wymondham » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:27 am

Hear hear, our attention is what is keeping them alive. Without that they have nothing to do as their existence is based of trying to get a rise out of people.
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Sancta Romana Ecclesia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:48 am

That is stating the obvious, but good on you for posting this. Sometimes what is clear needs to be stated, nonetheless.

Everyone's attention is too precious of a resource to waste on such people anyway.
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Twins of Hearts
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Twins of Hearts » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:48 am

I agree, the best way to forgo the suffering of dealing with "trolls" is to ignore them.

While this seems a bit long winded, I also attempted to solve this problem in dispatch form (here for reference only) https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1303449

While I received some really positive feedback and met a bunch of new and great people, the continued presence of a systematic shun and shame "Blacklist" system remains a real issue.

Instead of shunning and shaming, or ignoring individuals we are in conflict with right off the bat, I strenuously recommend something more akin to conflict resolution, so that way everyone can game happy :hug:

I really do feel badly that some people are dealing with such strongly negative feelings as you described in your post!

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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:01 am

Good essay, Cormac. I think I'll start heeding your advice, and I think everyone else should too.
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Darkesia
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Postby Darkesia » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:30 pm

This. Cormac gets it right in the OP. Things get pretty serious when Cormac and Dark agree on stuff.
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Bowzin
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Libertarian Police State

Postby Bowzin » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:58 pm

This is something I can get behind. Which is why I haven't bothered reading a number of recent threads in GP
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Ethan Allen
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Ex-Nation

Postby Ethan Allen » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:46 pm

I’m the player known as Ethan Allen, also known as Block. But that’s not my real name. I too, also think it’s important to remember that there are real people behind these nations. I’ve been hurt by a number of people posting in this thread and others. However instead of ignoring these players, which is not a solution to anything, I seek to follow ToH’s advice and seek conflict resolution with the people that have hurt me. Only then will we really see peace in our time on this site.
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The Gilded Star
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Gilded Star » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:08 pm

Though it's been frequently said before, I think putting it into perspective this way really drives it home, and you have my respect for stepping forward to do so. Thank you, Cormac.


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