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Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:12 am**

The Stalker wrote:
Fossils and Friends wrote:The Team:
A Dark Shadow (POINT) (Fossil)

Hmm interesting how A Dark Shadow lives in Children of the Grave, a now founderless raider region with a password...

What's that saying about glass houses and rocks... Be a shame if someone where to liberate it...

That would be a travesty wouldn't it? But hey, they are working with fash, so why not? Should you write it, or shall we let someone else?

A Dark Shadow wrote:You should talk Stalker. You live in the same type of house as I...glass. We were raided before by TBR, TBH, and Den, and yet we survive. You face the same danger and any raider could turn their attention to you and Hell. So be careful who you threaten, because your words may come back to haunt you.

Yes, because influence, let alone the trials aren't a thing at all right? Hell only allows trusted individuals in. Somehow I don't believe you would meet the qualifications. Also empty threats are just that, empty.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:50 am**

Vando0sa wrote:So to all of you in GP.. can I join this region and not be black listed? Ignore the ones you don't approve of.. I just like Shadow a lot.. she very old friend.

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You sure you want to get mixed up in that Vandy? You have a rather large community of your own to worry about. You really want to get labeled as a fash sympathizer?

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:11 am**

Wayneactia wrote:
Vando0sa wrote:So to all of you in GP.. can I join this region and not be black listed? Ignore the ones you don't approve of.. I just like Shadow a lot.. she very old friend.

viewtopic.php?p=36709603#p36709603

You sure you want to get mixed up in that Vandy? You have a rather large community of your own to worry about. You really want to get labeled as a fash sympathizer?

If not labelled that, then labelled a blacklisted player sympathizer, or perhaps get blacklisted yourself by all these fine, upstanding and kind trolls that live under this particular bridge.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:14 am**

I have a feeling that these messages are all the same...

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:00 am**

Wayneactia wrote:
Vando0sa wrote:So to all of you in GP.. can I join this region and not be black listed? Ignore the ones you don't approve of.. I just like Shadow a lot.. she very old friend.

viewtopic.php?p=36709603#p36709603

You sure you want to get mixed up in that Vandy? You have a rather large community of your own to worry about. You really want to get labeled as a fash sympathizer?

EEP. I do have a nation in CoTG.. I might have to be a defender for a bit due to long tern history with shadow .. guess that means I'm officially a fascist now?

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:11 am**

Lord Dominator wrote:It's a rather simple one, commenting on their commenting on Hell's security

Don't comment too much. One of my puppets got banjected for that once.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:19 am**

I mean if all of GP blacklists individuals then said individuals have nothing left to lose and will naturally work with Fascists and the like, and each other. This entire "blacklist" idea is destroying and has destroyed Gameplay, not the blacklisted players themselves. The standards on which an individual is blacklisted for or the existence of the system as it applies to the violation of regional sovereignty needs to be seriously reconsidered.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:27 pm**

Vaculatestar64 wrote:And to respond to Tim, I gotta find friends where I can find em. You'ore acting like I was being welcomed back with open arms before I was working with Blockhead. I'm not just gonna sit out here isolated on my own twittling my thumbs hoping the glorious GCR elite welcome me back into their super seekret squirrely club.

No, you weren't being welcomed back. It's likely you're not gonna be welcomed back at all, but you can't really go claim to be reformed and then go work with those types of people.

It was your choice to fall in with that crowd than choose to become a better version of yourself, keep your head down, and actually reform. It's the same with all of you blacklisted types, you think one to two semi-honest GP apologies and a "Well I've been banned for a while already" is all you need. Here's the thing, when you're banned for the stuff you guys were banned for, you're gonna need to show a bit more than empty apologies and promises of reform before the greater community wants to let you back in.

You're not entitled to be a part of the greater GP community, and if you're considered an outcast still then maybe you should consider the fact that it's you not us. You all like to toss out all these buzzwords like GCR Elite and Super Secret Squirrely Club but what it comes down to is that you lot have all seen bans for incredibly justified reasons. If you want to argue that point then please go ahead and make an on-site argument out of it, but you and I both know that most of you would be facing bans if you took that matter on-site, so you choose to claim it's "politics" and "toxic oligarchs" that got you banned.

Posted: **Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:40 pm**

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Vaculatestar64 wrote:And to respond to Tim, I gotta find friends where I can find em. You'ore acting like I was being welcomed back with open arms before I was working with Blockhead. I'm not just gonna sit out here isolated on my own twittling my thumbs hoping the glorious GCR elite welcome me back into their super seekret squirrely club.

No, you weren't being welcomed back. It's likely you're not gonna be welcomed back at all, but you can't really go claim to be reformed and then go work with those types of people.

It was your choice to fall in with that crowd than choose to become a better version of yourself, keep your head down, and actually reform. It's the same with all of you blacklisted types, you think one to two semi-honest GP apologies and a "Well I've been banned for a while already" is all you need. Here's the thing, when you're banned for the stuff you guys were banned for, you're gonna need to show a bit more than empty apologies and promises of reform before the greater community wants to let you back in.

You're not entitled to be a part of the greater GP community, and if you're considered an outcast still then maybe you should consider the fact that it's you not us. You all like to toss out all these buzzwords like GCR Elite and Super Secret Squirrely Club but what it comes down to is that you lot have all seen bans for incredibly justified reasons. If you want to argue that point then please go ahead and make an on-site argument out of it, but you and I both know that most of you would be facing bans if you took that matter on-site, so you choose to claim it's "politics" and "toxic oligarchs" that got you banned.

Alrighty now that I"m home from work I can give the very short response to a long winded question from an armchair defender.

One side cares about this significantly more than the other, I'll let you and everyone else here figure that out, one side has spent money on a WA campaign and the other hasn't lol. It's awfully arrogant of you to assume I want back into the likes of Europeia, LKE, and the GCR's. I want no part of that group of regions, I have my friends. Don, Block, DC, Shadow, and the rest of them. We're here to raid without all of the drama. The one person who caused drama, Attero, was given a swift kick in the pants on out of the group. It has been more fun than I have had in years. So y'all can go on ahead giving me and my friends rent free office space in your heads and in your back room discussion channels, and we're gonna keep on having our fun.

And don't lie to me, I could have kept my head down until this game shut its doors for good and there's no way there was going to be an inkling of acceptance. So I'm going to play this game with the people I want to play with, and it aint you. You aren't the only group to play this game with.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:30 am**

Vaculatestar64 wrote:The one person who caused drama, Attero, was given a swift kick in the pants on out of the group.

Outcasted by the outcasts. Big oof.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:41 am**

Vaculatestar64 wrote:And don't lie to me, I could have kept my head down until this game shut its doors for good and there's no way there was going to be an inkling of acceptance.

That should probably have been a sign? :blink:

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:04 am**

It’s hilarious to see this reaction. What’s that advice Cormac always gives out, “Don’t engage the blacklisted players, they will go away on their own”? What happened to that? Are we too much to ignore now that we have banded together under the Fossil and Friends Treaty? :rofl:

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:30 am**

Vando0sa wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
viewtopic.php?p=36709603#p36709603

You sure you want to get mixed up in that Vandy? You have a rather large community of your own to worry about. You really want to get labeled as a fash sympathizer?

EEP. I do have a nation in CoTG.. I might have to be a defender for a bit due to long tern history with shadow .. guess that means I'm officially a fascist now?

Of course you're not a fascist. But I think rather than joining this, you should be pulling the reasonable people in it away from the fascists and the blacklisted players.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:52 am**

Gorundu wrote:
Vando0sa wrote:

EEP. I do have a nation in CoTG.. I might have to be a defender for a bit due to long tern history with shadow .. guess that means I'm officially a fascist now?

Of course you're not a fascist. But I think rather than joining this, you should be pulling the reasonable people in it away from the fascists and the blacklisted players.

Is there a list of blacklisted players? If not, someone should write one and assign levels of evilness to each one. :roll:

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:23 am**

Feuer Ritter II wrote:
Gorundu wrote:Of course you're not a fascist. But I think rather than joining this, you should be pulling the reasonable people in it away from the fascists and the blacklisted players.

Is there a list of blacklisted players? If not, someone should write one and assign levels of evilness to each one.

I agree with this! Mostly because I work a lot and miss a lot.. not online in every on-site and off-site server to know what is going on. Blacklisting is a new form to the game that came after my time..

For us who don't speak much in social circles a black list goes unknown till we are like Wait what? a thingy happened!? I could accept a blacklist based on rumors but by the time i hear the news it's been transmitted a few times.. how will i know for certain that it's real?

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:22 am**

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Vaculatestar64 wrote:And to respond to Tim, I gotta find friends where I can find em. You'ore acting like I was being welcomed back with open arms before I was working with Blockhead. I'm not just gonna sit out here isolated on my own twittling my thumbs hoping the glorious GCR elite welcome me back into their super seekret squirrely club.

Tim Statement: No, you weren't being welcomed back. It's likely you're not gonna be welcomed back at all, but you can't really go claim to be reformed and then go work with those types of people.

Toh Response: I am going to break this one down, bit by bit. Its too subtly evil to let slide. ...Those types of people we are you, Tim. You have been chucked from more regions than most of us. The reason you are not persona non grata is you chose to ingratiate yourself to more popular players in the game. Our type of people is a discriminated minority of players that gossip mongers have painted to be much worse with your peculiar form of telephone. we simply no longer accept our label as outcasts and have formed a merit based region.

Tim Statement: It was your choice to fall in with that crowd than choose to become a better version of yourself, keep your head down, and actually reform. It's the same with all of you blacklisted types, you think one to two semi-honest GP apologies and a "Well I've been banned for a while already" is all you need. Here's the thing, when you're banned for the stuff you guys were banned for, you're gonna need to show a bit more than empty apologies and promises of reform before the greater community wants to let you back in.

ToH Response: I cant speak for everyone, but I have never apologized, and will never apologize because I have done nothing warranting such. The names of the players you think I have harmed, were dealt with so long ago, and so completely, that neither they nor I care. Stop pretending your morally righteous and simply admit you desire to exclude players that threaten you so-called standing, in your insular, toxic community.

Tim Statement: You're not entitled to be a part of the greater GP community, and if you're considered an outcast still then maybe you should consider the fact that it's you not us. You all like to toss out all these buzzwords like GCR Elite and Super Secret Squirrely Club but what it comes down to is that you lot have all seen bans for incredibly justified reasons. If you want to argue that point then please go ahead and make an on-site argument out of it, but you and I both know that most of you would be facing bans if you took that matter on-site, so you choose to claim it's "politics" and "toxic oligarchs" that got you banned.

Toh Response: So much blame and shame! You cannot deflect the reason we are shunned by the NSGP club. You, and your passive avoidant cultists maintain the blacklist to cling to cringe level attempts at control over the active population of the game. You are not the only one, but the club and its sycophants desire to continue conflict via blacklisting, while we We continue to game on despite any and all efforts to shun us. We simply do not need/want you or your friends.

Now that is straightened up, nice and tidy, go play in your sandbox and we will play on the swings. :rofl:

edited with statement/response due to confusion of a reader.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:12 am**

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't know why y'all aren't ignoring these people. You're giving them what they want by engaging with them.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:40 pm**

Twins of Hearts wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:
No, you weren't being welcomed back. It's likely you're not gonna be welcomed back at all, but you can't really go claim to be reformed and then go work with those types of people.

I am going to break this one down, bit by bit. Its too subtly evil to let slide. ...Those types of people we are you, Tim. You have been chucked from more regions than most of us. The reason you are not persona non grata is you chose to ingratiate yourself to more popular players in the game. Our type of people is a discriminated minority of players that gossip mongers have painted to be much worse with your peculiar form of telephone. we simply no longer accept our label as outcasts and have formed a merit based region.

It was your choice to fall in with that crowd than choose to become a better version of yourself, keep your head down, and actually reform. It's the same with all of you blacklisted types, you think one to two semi-honest GP apologies and a "Well I've been banned for a while already" is all you need. Here's the thing, when you're banned for the stuff you guys were banned for, you're gonna need to show a bit more than empty apologies and promises of reform before the greater community wants to let you back in.

I cant speak for everyone, but I have never apologized, and will never apologize because I have dont nothing warranting such. The names of the players you think I have harmed, were dealt with so long ago, and so completely, that neither they nor I care. Stop pretending your morally righteous and simply admit you desire to exclude players that threaten you so-called standing, in your insular, toxic community.

You're not entitled to be a part of the greater GP community, and if you're considered an outcast still then maybe you should consider the fact that it's you not us. You all like to toss out all these buzzwords like GCR Elite and Super Secret Squirrely Club but what it comes down to is that you lot have all seen bans for incredibly justified reasons. If you want to argue that point then please go ahead and make an on-site argument out of it, but you and I both know that most of you would be facing bans if you took that matter on-site, so you choose to claim it's "politics" and "toxic oligarchs" that got you banned.

So much blame and shame! You cannot deflect the reason we are shunned by the NSGP club. You, and your passive avoidant cultists maintain the blacklist to cling to cringe level attemps at control over the active population of the game. You are not the only one, but the club and its sycophants desire to continue conflict via blacklisting, while we We continue to game on despite any and all efforts to shun us. We simply do not need/want you or your friends.

Now that is straightened up, nice and tidy, go play in your sandbox and we will play on the swings.

Can't tell if you've messed up your quoting in your post or you're attributing Tim to have said things he hasn't. Please correct.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:32 pm**

Twins of Hearts wrote:I cant speak for everyone, but I have never apologized, and will never apologize because I have dont nothing warranting such.The names of the players you think I have harmed, were dealt with so long ago, and so completely, that neither they nor I care. Stop pretending your morally righteous and simply admit you desire to exclude players that threaten you so-called standing, in your insular, toxic community.

I can assure you that people didn't just stop caring. They're not gone because they stopped giving a shit. They're gone because you and your friends drove them out. I know more than a few people from Grand Central who quit the entire game because of how Block treated them. Your actions as leader of the Invaders actively alienated people from R/D and killed your organization. Every single time you guys come back, without fail, you slap a new face on, say you're reformed, and immediately get to work demeaning and being snarky to a gameplay population that is all-too-used to this bullshit. Then you ask "why doesn't anyone like us???" rhetorically, because you know the answer. It's only so frustrating that you keep lying to everyone- because I refuse to believe that you lack the basic self-awareness to know exactly what you did and why your cohort are considered unwelcome.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:46 pm**

Sticks and stones, Ikania. Sticks and stones.

What are you going to do to stop us from raiding and having a good time? The people that raid with us don’t believe your lies.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:23 pm**

I don't think much more needs to be said. The way you conduct yourself in gameplay should be enough for most folks to realize your kind are bad news- and the testimony of so many respected and credible players should be enough. It's unfortunate that new players might continue to get caught up with your organization, but it'll be for them to find out why you're a pariah. It's more than past time for people to just start ignoring you, as Cormac advised. I think I'll do that now.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:30 pm**

Can’t say we are social pariahs when we have hundreds of people that like us and support our regions that form up our alliance.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:39 pm**

Personally, I'm glad the blacklisted players are literally grouping themselves together so they're easier to warn new players about.

Also, of course Nephmir has a soft spot for them. He nearly was one of them after helping Frak snatch IP addresses.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:46 pm**

Thank you for your verbal support, Yokiria! Maybe we will get get your military support in the future as well. My telegram inbox is always open.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:01 pm**

Ethan Allen wrote:Thank you for your verbal support, Yokiria! Maybe we will get get your military support in the future as well. My telegram inbox is always open.

I still remember when my home region, Osiris, dealt with your revival of Grand Central and all its issues. I don't believe I'll be providing any military support here.

By the way, Suicide Squad would be a better name than Fossils and Friends. Come on. Missed opportunity.

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