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Postby Block II » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:33 pm

It’s no lie. Your Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me.

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Postby Boda » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:16 pm

Block II wrote:It’s no lie. Your Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me.

Ur jedi mind tricks won’t work on him either wdym?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:01 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Literally how has this thread gone on for eight pages? Do y'all have nothing better to do than engage with blacklisted players looking for attention?

Drama craves attention my friend.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Elegarth » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:31 pm

Block II wrote:Dead serious. I’ve done nothing to violate the social contract, yet my opponents have blacklisted me without just cause. It’s deplorable.

Right. Block, NO ONE buys your BS man. Give up. Go away.
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Postby Block II » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:02 pm

Elegarth wrote:
Block II wrote:Dead serious. I’ve done nothing to violate the social contract, yet my opponents have blacklisted me without just cause. It’s deplorable.

Right. Block, NO ONE buys your BS man. Give up. Go away.


You say that to me after I revealed what Feux, AMOM, and Pergamon really thought about you, and helped get them out of the way so you can move up in the NPO? I’m hurt.

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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:43 pm

Block II wrote:
Elegarth wrote:Right. Block, NO ONE buys your BS man. Give up. Go away.


You say that to me after I revealed what Feux, AMOM, and Pergamon really thought about you, and helped get them out of the way so you can move up in the NPO? I’m hurt.

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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby Twins of Hearts » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:20 pm

This is what the blacklisters beget. Conflict without end, uselessness.

This is why NSGP is toxic, there is never any attempt to accommodate one another, just babbling and shitposting.

We deserve better, Nationstates Players deserve better, this Game deserves better.

Concerned about community? I wasnt he first nation here, but I was here a heck of a lot earlier and contributing, both positively and later negatively, then positively once again, before most of you. What were you like in 2004?

The social contract is a bit of a stretch here, in the social experiment of Nationstats. Bet i get it. Just do not pretend that blacklisters, blacklisting unwilling participants is anything but bullying and marginalization of people tyrannized by the majority.

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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:25 pm

Twins of Hearts wrote:Concerned about community? I wasnt he first nation here, but I was here a heck of a lot earlier and contributing, both positively and later negatively, then positively once again, before most of you. What were you like in 2004?


Can we get this man a cookie please?
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:56 pm

Twins of Hearts wrote:This is what the blacklisters beget. Conflict without end, uselessness.

This is why NSGP is toxic, there is never any attempt to accommodate one another, just babbling and shitposting.

We deserve better, Nationstates Players deserve better, this Game deserves better.

Concerned about community? I wasnt he first nation here, but I was here a heck of a lot earlier and contributing, both positively and later negatively, then positively once again, before most of you. What were you like in 2004?

The social contract is a bit of a stretch here, in the social experiment of Nationstats. Bet i get it. Just do not pretend that blacklisters, blacklisting unwilling participants is anything but bullying and marginalization of people tyrannized by the majority.

Maybe you wouldn’t be blacklisted if you didn’t blackmail anyone? Have you thought about that? But no, we must forget about the past. Why do criminals hold a record for the rest of their lives? It’s so people can be aware of what they have done in the past and act accordingly. Why do sex offenders have to inform people when they move? And most of them take their second chances, unlike you. Stop pushing this rhetoric that you are being discriminated. You did something terrible, pay the price. You claim to want to hear from your side as you are the unrepresented but have you bought about those harassed by your ilk? Stop playing the victim and maybe if you stop downplaying your past you can actually get a shred of respect around here
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Postby Block II » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:10 pm

He didn’t blackmail anyone.

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Postby Boda » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:26 pm

Block II wrote:He didn’t blackmail anyone.

Or did he...?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:46 pm

Block II wrote:He didn’t blackmail anyone.

And you would know, how?
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby The Church of Satan » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:28 am

I have the screenshots. He sure was going to. He had to be talked out of it. So he has earned his status in NationStates.
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Postby Block II » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:46 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Block II wrote:He didn’t blackmail anyone.

And you would know, how?


Because I’ve known him for years, unlike you.

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Postby The Church of Satan » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:25 am

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Postby Block II » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:30 am

I have nothing but mad respect for you CoS, but he didn’t blackmail anyone, and he wouldn’t Dox anyone. He’s a better man than that.

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:31 am

An actual serious contribution instead of old Need For Speed game references;

You all deserve each other. I'm literally never going to intact with Block again, but I hope him and his friends continue to clog up this forum and force themselves in your faces until nobody can be bothered to open the front door anymore. It's an appropriate death for NS Gameplay.

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Postby Block II » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:14 am

I miss my friend Klaus. If only he could see that I’m better than I used to be four years ago. :)
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Postby Vetelo » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:06 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
Twins of Hearts wrote:This is what the blacklisters beget. Conflict without end, uselessness.

This is why NSGP is toxic, there is never any attempt to accommodate one another, just babbling and shitposting.

We deserve better, Nationstates Players deserve better, this Game deserves better.

Concerned about community? I wasnt he first nation here, but I was here a heck of a lot earlier and contributing, both positively and later negatively, then positively once again, before most of you. What were you like in 2004?

The social contract is a bit of a stretch here, in the social experiment of Nationstats. Bet i get it. Just do not pretend that blacklisters, blacklisting unwilling participants is anything but bullying and marginalization of people tyrannized by the majority.

Maybe you wouldn’t be blacklisted if you didn’t blackmail anyone? Have you thought about that? But no, we must forget about the past. Why do criminals hold a record for the rest of their lives? It’s so people can be aware of what they have done in the past and act accordingly. Why do sex offenders have to inform people when they move? And most of them take their second chances, unlike you. Stop pushing this rhetoric that you are being discriminated. You did something terrible, pay the price. You claim to want to hear from your side as you are the unrepresented but have you bought about those harassed by your ilk? Stop playing the victim and maybe if you stop downplaying your past you can actually get a shred of respect around here

You are comparing "blacklisted" individuals to sex offenders. That is not a fair comparison, it's downright silly. How do you expect to be taken seriously with statements like those?

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:An actual serious contribution instead of old Need For Speed game references;

You all deserve each other. I'm literally never going to intact with Block again, but I hope him and his friends continue to clog up this forum and force themselves in your faces until nobody can be bothered to open the front door anymore. It's an appropriate death for NS Gameplay.

To clarify, I am not friends with Block, only DC. Block refuses to speak to me, and I now ignore all of his alts. DC has been a positive influence on my life since I met him. Very rarely do I find someone on this site worth having a conversation with. Even more rarely do I find someone worth being friends with. Even now, DC is trying to make a positive impact on the whole community, but you lot are too focused on your little "blacklist". You either cannot accept the truth or are simply too oblivious too care. It's pitiful.
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Postby Third ZSeparatists » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:08 pm

Twins of Hearts wrote:
A Bloodred Moon wrote:That is most certainly true. Early 2019, defending seemed to have collapsed. Holds with 4 endorsements were allowed to go on for 2 weeks before they were liberated. Then several raider officers retired or went inactive, while defending was given an opportunity to catch a break and get things up and running again. Only there were hardly any big raids going on to defend against, so that wasn't ideal either. As of recent, raider officers have started getting active again and some new faces have shown up, while defending is alive again too, to a certain degree. While R/D is decently active again, it certainly isn't as active as it used to be.



I wonder why so many veteran raiders decided to stop raiding? Perhaps that was the point of the blacklist all along? Geld the raiders so the knitting circle does not have their gossip interrupted? Just a theory.


But, you are on the blacklist. And not because of raiding.
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Postby Boda » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:22 pm

Aren’t blacklisted peeps harrasers tho? I doubt letting harassers back in will positively affect the community
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Postby The Church of Satan » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:54 pm

Vetelo wrote:You are comparing "blacklisted" individuals to sex offenders. That is not a fair comparison, it's downright silly. How do you expect to be taken seriously with statements like those?

It's an extremely accurate comparison actually. Their status in NationStates is so bad as a result of their actions that others need to know the player in question is dangerous to them.

Vetelo wrote:Even more rarely do I find someone worth being friends with. Even now, DC is trying to make a positive impact on the whole community, but you lot are too focused on your little "blacklist". You either cannot accept the truth or are simply too oblivious too care. It's pitiful.

Except if his campaign were successful it would have a very negative impact on the entire community. Letting those players back into our communities, as if they were decent and respectable, would just create more victims, more people for them to prey on.
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Yuno: Not gonna yell, but CoS is one of the best delegates ever | Ever-Wandering Souls: In the liberal justice system, raiding-based offenses are considered especially heinous. In The South Pacific, the dedicated defenders who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Council on Regional Security. These are their proscriptions. DUN DUN.

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Block II
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Postby Block II » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:11 pm

DC has vouched for you, Attero. So I’m willing to speak to you again after all these years.

Again, I voice my consternation for being on the blacklist as I have no victims from any malicious actions since I have not committed such.

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Postby Boda » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:22 pm

Block II wrote:DC has vouched for you, Attero. So I’m willing to speak to you again after all these years.

Again, I voice my consternation for being on the blacklist as I have no victims from any malicious actions since I have not committed such.

Or did you?
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Postby Kaystein » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:32 pm

There really should be some kind of list or diagram drawn up where it lists common offenses agreed by a majority of people, which would warrant somebody being put on this "blacklist." One-time comments and errant actions limited to the game don't warrant "blacklisting" as much as things like predatory behavior or hacking, in my opinion.
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