[SPLIT] Blacklist/Whitelist discussion

[Draganisia]

So what do I do now, to go forward in this community?

Talk it over better with the rest of them. Prove to them that you have changed from whomever you were before. Show them that you can be a great part of the community no matter if you agree with everyone or not.

The best thing you can do is to prove them wrong about you.

[WayNeacTia]

I wanted to note that I recommended that if Block really wants to turn things around he needs to put his pride aside and ask the general community on how to even begin approaching a path forward. I am a forgiving entity, but as many have observed, he has a reputation, so a means of re-establishing trust would be required.. a mechanism to establish this entity is no longer rogue. That I leave up to the rest of you assuming those harmed by this entity even want any form of healing with it.

So what do I do now, to go forward in this community?

Don't reside in the region that you guys were holding when predator came crashing down? Sitting there with a WA, gaining influence in a region you would have happily helped, and likely given the chance would burn to the ground? Anybody? ANYBODY buy that as an innocent coincidence?

[Block II]

That was 4 years ago. And I never used predator.

[WayNeacTia]

That was 4 years ago. And I never used predator.

You sure about that?

[Dragonisia]

If you truly want to mend Block II Your real questions should be how to be less of a threat, how to come into compliance. Resisting the accusations will not make forward progress.. more an acknowledgement you were involved in some really terrible things and need a path forward that will both prevent recurrence and allow trust to build. Tangible steps you can take to show you're not that person any more.

[Block II]

Lol yes. I was not in that list because I used predator. Why I’m in that list is for a different, and widely accepted, fact. Additionally, everyone knows I was a lousy raider. Everyone also knows I no longer have friends that would help me with a raid. I was in St Abbaddon because I enjoyed being a part of that community. As the elders of St Abbaddon can testify, I was nothing but a loyal and helpful member of that community. I was trying to make that a possible path of redemption within the wider community.

[Dragonisia]

Lol yes. I was not in that list because I used predator. Why I’m in that list is for a different, and widely accepted, fact. Additionally, everyone knows I was a lousy raider. Everyone also knows I no longer have friends that would help me with a raid. I was in St Abbaddon because I enjoyed being a part of that community. As the elders of St Abbaddon can testify, I was nothing but a loyal and helpful member of that community. I was trying to make that a possible path of redemption within the wider community.

I will say that under the Brother Bishop identity you were nothing but friendly and helpful to the region. But you are not just that identity, you are a whole package. While you were still part of St Abbaddon other identities you held were subject to moderation action, which means you aren't making progress. If you genuinely want to mend you have to be universal in your search for a solution, one identity won't help cleanse the past.

[WayNeacTia]

Lol yes. I was not in that list because I used predator. Why I’m in that list is for a different, and widely accepted, fact. Additionally, everyone knows I was a lousy raider. Everyone also knows I no longer have friends that would help me with a raid. I was in St Abbaddon because I enjoyed being a part of that community. As the elders of St Abbaddon can testify, I was nothing but a loyal and helpful member of that community. I was trying to make that a possible path of redemption within the wider community.

Not buying it Block. In my, I must admit in my abundance of experience, if it walks and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Like I had said earlier, if it was most other regions, I wouldn't have cared. You and your cohorts would have happily burned that region and took it as a trophy and nearly did. Is that new nation in Vermont that you welcomed so eagerly DC perhaps? Like you said you are a lousy raider, so I would stop while ahead and just move on. Maybe retire to a nice foundered region without a exec delegate?

[Dragonisia]

Like you said you are a lousy raider, so I would stop while ahead and just move on. Maybe retire to a nice foundered region without a exec delegate?

Sounds like a tangible action.

[Block II]

That nation I welcomed so warmly to Vermont, is a retired Raider who shall remain anonymous. DC also has a nation in Vermont and is on our server.

[WayNeacTia]

That nation I welcomed so warmly to Vermont, is a retired Raider who shall remain anonymous. DC also has a nation in Vermont and is on our server.

Yeah, okay. For all of this talk of reconciliation, this is where we are. Have fun Block, as I am done with you.

[Block II]

Nice talking to you.

[Twins of Hearts]

An excellent display of shaming and bullying the victim here whom is block. A lost opportunity for conflict resolution and evidence of the terrorism some nations support to pursue their private agenda of hate. Sickening and disappointingly predictable.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

An excellent display of shaming and bullying the victim here whom is block. A lost opportunity for conflict resolution and evidence of the terrorism some nations support to pursue their private agenda of hate. Sickening and disappointingly predictable.

I believe I asked you a question that you've yet to answer. I'll quote it again for you.

All I can say is thank you for all the negative commentary: it displays how incredibly flawed and broken the Blacklisting Combine really is. No one, on either side is learning how to live and let live. No one is arguing about regional ability to ban undesirable players from NationStates regions or even discord.

Why should the victims of abusers, doxxers and harrassers learn to 'live and let live' with the people who wronged them? Why should regional stakeholders let the perpetrators of such actions in their communities? Why shouldn't regional stakeholders inform other regions about the perpetrators of such actions so that they too can protect their communities?

The knee-jerk bans however come from the little gossip channel, listening to one another complain about Nation X sand then deciding, well, Nation Y is well respected, and complaining about Nation X, so I shall ban them also".

You know most regions usually ask for evidence right?

Feel free to reply at any time.

[Drop Your Pants]

An excellent display of shaming and bullying the victim here whom is block.

If you think some players are bullying others on the forum then report them.

[Twins of Hearts]

An excellent display of shaming and bullying the victim here whom is block. A lost opportunity for conflict resolution and evidence of the terrorism some nations support to pursue their private agenda of hate. Sickening and disappointingly predictable.

I believe I asked you a question that you've yet to answer. I'll quote it again for you.

Why should the victims of abusers, doxxers and harrassers learn to 'live and let live' with the people who wronged them? Why should regional stakeholders let the perpetrators of such actions in their communities? Why shouldn't regional stakeholders inform other regions about the perpetrators of such actions so that they too can protect their communities?


You know most regions usually ask for evidence right?

Feel free to reply at any time.

4 Questions actually. Math, right!?
ok lets go Madjack
1) Why should the victims of abusers, doxxers and harrassers learn to 'live and let live' with the people who wronged them? I did not say that. I proposed a White list Campaign to help resolve conflict before it escalates. It can work after an escalation cools down, too.
2) Why should regional stakeholders let the perpetrators of such actions in their communities? What is a regional stakeholder? Is that a fancy name for the elite in control of a region? Or the people whom "care about it"? Language, right!?
3) Why shouldn't regional stakeholders inform other regions about the perpetrators of such actions so that they too can protect their communities?
Stakeholders again....leadership, is that what you mean? Elites? Those that control what is done? I am not sure what place in the world you are from, but if you could please use a more specific English word that would help me understand, and respond.
4) Feel free to reply at any time. While this did not end with a question mark, I view it as an invitation, and thus, requiring a response. I feel free to reply now, thank you kindly.

Madjack I tried to answer your questions, but the use of ambiguous and leading language confuses the simple mind I must obviously possess. I mean, why use a word like stakeholder? What purpose did that selection serve? Why not use real, down to earth language? Feel free to reply at any time.

[Ethan Allen]

Like you said you are a lousy raider, so I would stop while ahead and just move on. Maybe retire to a nice foundered region without a exec delegate?

Sounds like a tangible action.

Which is what I have done by moving to Vermont.

- Block’s new main.

[Twins of Hearts]

Sounds like a tangible action.

Which is what I have done by moving to Vermont.

- Block’s new main.

A Most lovely state, skiing, hiking, liberal laws around cannabis, and just the nicest people you will ever meet!

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

I did not say that. I proposed a White list Campaign to help resolve conflict before it escalates. It can work after an escalation cools down, too.

Your campaign is promoting those very players who have done those things.

What is a regional stakeholder? Is that a fancy name for the elite in control of a region? Or the people whom "care about it"? Language, right!?

Stakeholders again....leadership, is that what you mean? Elites? Those that control what is done? I am not sure what place in the world you are from, but if you could please use a more specific English word that would help me understand, and respond.

Regional stakeholders would be admins or government leaders, or indeed, members of the region with an interest in making sure those in it are protected from the kind of player who harasses, doxxes and abuses others.

[The Seeker of Power]

The word stakeholders is a very common word used widely to refer to those who have a "stake" or hold an "interest" in a given thing / place / asset etc.

You understood this very well and your lame attempt to turn it around on MJ is thin, pointless and no one will buy it.

[WayNeacTia]

An excellent display of shaming and bullying the victim here whom is block. A lost opportunity for conflict resolution and evidence of the terrorism some nations support to pursue their private agenda of hate. Sickening and disappointingly predictable.

Yeah okay. Block would have handed that region over to you in a heartbeat so you could destroy it. Don't play the victim here DC, no one is buying it, or this lame attempt at reconciliation. St. Abby is a far safer place without the likes of you or Block sitting there gathering influence.

[Ethan Allen]

I mean, you guys are great at using semantics to solidify your discrimination. I see no reason why Twins can’t fight fire with fire.

I’m not a raider anymore. I haven’t participated in a raid of any type except on a warzone since April of 2016. Your claims are unfounded, Way.

Edit; in addition to my above point, I’m pretty positive that DC is also retired from raiding. There’s also no one worth raiding with as far as I know that is still active.

[WayNeacTia]

I mean, you guys are great at using semantics to solidify your discrimination. I see no reason why Twins can’t fight fire with fire.

He certainly can try. The only problem is he gets laughed out of here every time he tries. I sincerely look forward to your next attempt.

G'day.

[Ethan Allen]

Is it laughing like the joker laughing, or...?

[Boda]

An excellent display of shaming and bullying the victim here whom is block. A lost opportunity for conflict resolution and evidence of the terrorism some nations support to pursue their private agenda of hate. Sickening and disappointingly predictable.

That’s like the victimization of Japan in WW2....

“An excellent display of shaming and bullying the victim here who is japan. They may have committed several war crimes but nukes are big bad. It’s a lost opportunity for conflict resolution for the multiple genocides japan has committed, and evidence of the terrorism (which can easily be accessed by asking certain individuals) some nations support to pursue their private agenda of hate on Japan. Sickening and disappointingly predictable.”

So how do you like it now that I put it like that? You see how so much bad stuff can easily be swept under the rug from something else? Exactly what you’re doing with this whitelist campaign.