Dulkata wrote:This topic is just embarrassing. I haven't lurked NS in ages and the first thing I see is this non-sense. People that are blacklisted are done so for good reason. I was blacklisted nearly 10 years ago for being a racist harasser (back even before skype. I did most my nasty deeds via irc and off-site forums). I attempted to dox people, went on racist rants, and was all around a bad actor. Even though I was never anyone important or known (I was a member of a small region and went postal after my region was tagged) I still could never return. I'm glad the community will keep people like me out. I don't deserve redemption because, what I did was not acceptable and should never be acceptable. You BL player's had your chance but, you broke the rule's and act surprised the community don't want you back. Shameful. Just take the loss and leave. You'll never be able to reflect and improve as a person if you still frequent this place and refuse to accept your punishment.
Ah, All this from a nation made today. # Suspect #puppet #hatersgonnahate
Ikania wrote:This whole “white list” project seems blatantly obvious to me as an attempt by disgraced gameplayers (Drunken Conquerors) to rehabilitate their legacy and rewrite the events of the last few years to make it seem like there was some kind of moral equivalence between them and the people who threw them out. Not only is this revisionist, it is dangerous.
It’s telling that Drunken Conquerors is heading this pity parade, and abundantly more so that it’s backed by 94 Block and Vetelo, two perfect case studies of players who can’t accept that their brand is permanently tarnished by no one’s actions except their own.
In my years as a gameplayer, I was exposed to a lot of people who might currently be considered blacklisted. Not one of them do I believe doesn’t deserve that status, because the things I have seen them do to other people through the internet are truly despicable. I’ve seen more than my fair share of psychological manipulation and abuse from NSers, of all reputations and levels of influence. I’ve been a victim of it, and I’m sure at points either a perpetrator or an accomplice. Looking back, I’m amazed at the level of cruelty that can be dealt through something as simple as a browser game.
It’s funny that Vetelo thinks he’s “blacklisted” because GP just doesn’t like him. I can think of quite a few examples of things he said and did over the course of years that clearly crossed the line. Ironically, the fact that I can’t mention them on this forum is itself proof of that. And we gave him all the chances in the world- so we did with Block, so we did with DC, et cetera. And every chance was squandered, without exception. Every good faith offer of a second chance eventually blown, and then they complain that they were never given that second chance. Except you were. You just want gameplay to conveniently forget; because 2016-17 was a long time ago, right? There’s a whole new generation of NSers that’s sprung up since then who are more willing to believe you were just misunderstood, because they weren’t actually there. Well, I was.
And unlike some of the people trying to get “whitelisted” and maintain their relevance in this game (in decline for years now), I knew when this game wasn’t good for me, and I knew when to just leave. And I’m not even blacklisted! They’ll occasionally make a forum post for attention, often expressing regret and an intention to start again, followed by snark and defiance posited against anyone who raises very valid questions on the credibility of those apologies. Even in this thread. And now, when the collective memory of GP has faded, they can worm their way back into relevance, exploit the ignorance of the new crowds, and paint themselves as the victim.
DC, you know damn well why the community doesn’t consider you welcome anymore. Same goes for Block, Attero, et al. You know. We haven’t forgotten. Just because it’s been a few years and “this time I really mean it!!!” doesn’t mean you’ve at all proven why you deserve yet another chance. The general hostility and bickering you’ve immediately devolved into, this snide aura of superiority over the people who remember how you acted and are confronting you, acts as evidence of that. Just because the Skype logs are old and hard to find, or the Discord convos are deleted, doesn’t erase the things you did, which we can’t talk about here.
I hope I haven’t wasted my time writing this. None of the people I’ve directly called out have ever displayed a serious feeling of remorse or intent to repair the harm they’ve done. They only ever want to redeem themselves through deception: rehabilitate their legacy, convince some of the noobs that they’re right and hope everyone else just forgets. It’s on us, as gameplayers, to actively ensure that this will never happen. To protect our community from abusers, cheaters, and other toxic elements. It’s the job of the people who were there, and I see many around today, to make sure we don’t collectively forget who once hurt us, because if we don’t, people are going to get hurt again.
Now I’m going to sink back into my corner of irrelevancy, and hope this has got you all thinking. Ciao.
How you think you have any idea, what anyone has or has not done, in communication with others is obviously illogical. Who would notify you, and why would they? This stuff has been dead for years, and now my Very Good Character is being aspersed based on assumption and lack of facts. This is not directed at you specifically, just all players that believe they "know something more". Its tripe, and trite.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1303449
This is a simple way for everyone to handle their own business, without resorting to ostracizing people, or feeling scared, or whatever excuses are used to justify a hate based philosophy like Blacklisting.
If a rules violation happens, notify the mods.
If you don't like how someone conducts themselves in your region, ban them!
After that, is there really a need to serially harass nations/players as they move to other regions? Only if you are engaging in Bullying or Harassment, both which need moderator intervention.
If you don't like my idea, fine. Come up with something better. But downvoting a dispatch "downvote army" or openly mocking me as "taking drugs, what's your dosage" which is also mocking the mentally ill,
is UGLY, its TOXIC, and anyone who feels otherwise is spending too much time living in hate.
Being afraid of change is normal, but using offensive and obscene statements does not dissuade or intimidate anyone.
This is about allowing the injured parties to heal with one another and to move forward. Anything I have done in the past has already been dealt with to the parties satisfaction.
While opinions are valuable, and feedback is great; slamming me as the author just demonstrates the lack of ability to make a concrete alternative recommendation that would be effective.
We can do better, and we should strive to do so.
Peace
