Embassy of The East Pacific: March Issue is Out Now!

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Was your outrage towards the NPO real, when you apparently don't care about the perpetrator?

This is amusing. You've been in gameplay for years and you're aware of cyclical nature of it, right? You must be, being in Osiris, the region that has flipped its opinion on Empire/Rahls multiple times in its existence.

I had to cut a hole in my skull and allow my massive brain to expand upwards into a cloche dome or else it was going to hemorrhage and kill me.

Recovering from brain surgery does explain some of your recent posts. I wish you a speedy recovery.

Classy.

[Spode Humbled Minions]

I had to cut a hole in my skull and allow my massive brain to expand upwards into a cloche dome or else it was going to hemorrhage and kill me.

Recovering from brain surgery does explain some of your recent posts. I wish you a speedy recovery.

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Contact your doctor to see if dumpster fires are right for you!

If you have tried to discuss diplomatic matters with TEP and those resulted in you getting laughed out, you raise your concerns again publicly (although in the typical NSGPer roundabout way) and that gets you nowhere.... Maybe, you should find another, more productive outlet for getting the change you want, like waiting until the political atmosphere changes and you no longer get laughed out of rooms, or confronting the regions you imply you have real problems with directly, instead of moving to the 'you can't make me not post here' arguments, blundering about insulting people and organizations until you get a reaction, and then gloating about 'striking a nerve' strategy.

Because, and take it from an expert in it, that strategy is absolutely terrible.

[Big Bad Badger]

Lol TEP, lol.

[Sokala]

This is why NSGP never gets anything good. SMH.

[Great Algerstonia]

This is why NSGP never gets anything good. SMH.

NSGP gets TEP! That's something good, right?

[Yokiria]

This is amusing. You've been in gameplay for years and you're aware of cyclical nature of it, right? You must be, being in Osiris, the region that has flipped its opinion on Empire/Rahls multiple times in its existence.

Osiris and TEP entered into a treaty together. Then, AMOM rejoined TEP. Considering that AMOM unapologetically committed treason against us just a few years prior, Osiris' opinion on him had not flipped yet. Imagine having a treaty ally welcome someone who had committed treason against you into their region with open arms. I've no idea why gameplay is so blind to the legitimacy of this complaint, nor why gameplay is suddenly okay with AMOM after burning the NPO at the stake over he and his groups' actions.

[Refuge Isle]

This is amusing. You've been in gameplay for years and you're aware of cyclical nature of it, right? You must be, being in Osiris, the region that has flipped its opinion on Empire/Rahls multiple times in its existence.

Osiris and TEP entered into a treaty together. Then, AMOM rejoined TEP. Considering that AMOM unapologetically committed treason against us just a few years prior, Osiris' opinion on him had not flipped yet. Imagine having a treaty ally welcome someone who had committed treason against you into their region with open arms. I've no idea why gameplay is so blind to the legitimacy of this complaint, nor why gameplay is suddenly okay with AMOM after burning the NPO at the stake over he and his groups' actions.

Who are you even arguing on behalf of at this point? I suspect the answer is not the Osiran government. So what cause are you trying to champion besides the fact that you personally don't like AMOM and wish he would quit?

What is the goal out of the last two, three pages of TEP tirades, thaaat TEP shouldddd depopulate? God there's been so much wasted energy that has gone towards nothing at all, you have to move on at some point.

[Drop Your Pants]

God there's been so much wasted energy that has gone towards nothing at all, you have to move on at some point.

That's Gameplay ladies and gentlemen.

[Refuge Isle]

God there's been so much wasted energy that has gone towards nothing at all, you have to move on at some point.

That's Gameplay ladies and gentlemen.

Alas without repetition gp dies.

[Varanius]

What is the goal out of the last two, three pages of TEP tirades, thaaat TEP shouldddd depopulate?

Maybe try reading them and find out

[Yokiria]

Who are you even arguing on behalf of at this point? I suspect the answer is not the Osiran government.

I'm arguing on nobody's behalf but my own. I don't want to see TEP continue to suffer at the hands of untrustworthy players, and it looks like they're going to. I don't want to see those that tried to harm Osiris thrive in gameplay, and it looks like they're going to. I don't want falsehoods to go unchallenged, and it looks like they would without me posting here. That's it.

So what cause are you trying to champion besides the fact that you personally don't like AMOM and wish he would quit?

It's not a personal thing with AMOM. I don't know him well enough OOC for it to be personal. He committed treason against Osiris and deeply infiltrated its community, so professionally speaking, I don't like AMOM. He's currently doing things in TEP that appear as though he's planning to violate their sovereignty as well.

As for what I'm "cause" I'm "championing"? A stop to the bullshit.

What is the goal out of the last two, three pages of TEP tirades, thaaat TEP shouldddd depopulate?

Of course not. My hope is that someone in TEP will actually take heed. I have accurately predicted so many coup attempts. The DEN stunt in TWP. The attempted coup by Hileville in TSP. The NLO. Fedele's plot against TEP. My "CoupWatch" declarations never disappoint. And here I am now, saying that AMOM's previous dedication to TEP does not matter. Extremely dedicated members of Osiris have couped Osiris. Lazarus saw dedicated Lazarenes try to coup Lazarus, twice over. Fedele himself put tons of time and energy and effort into a fairly horrific investigation of [can't say] in order to get TEP out of a very dark place.... and then tried to coup it. Forget prior investment, what you have to look at are the recent actions taken. When you do that, you'll see what I see.

EDIT: Also, look, I've played this game long enough. I know what's going on with the snide comments about my character, or my behavior, or my motives. Some of you are just simply exhausted talking about this, and that's okay. Just go read other threads if it's that bad. However, some of you don't want to, or can't, actually address the meat of the conservation here and are just using those comments as a way to avoid doing so. To those of you doing that... Just stop it.

[Refuge Isle]

What is the goal out of the last two, three pages of TEP tirades, thaaat TEP shouldddd depopulate?

Maybe try reading them and find out

I'm aware of the content. What good it will do, I cannot say. The conversation has not changed in at least seven months.

[Drop Your Pants]

I don't want to see TEP continue to suffer at the hands of untrustworthy players

I'm going to stop you right there. You don't give a blind titty fuck how TEP does, you're not involved in any way (unless you love all GCR's and hope for freedom and democracy in which case you poor sod). You're part of the peanut gallery crying wolf, as as the rest of us.

However, some of you don't want to, or can't, actually address the meat of the conservation here and are just using those comments as a way to avoid doing so. To those of you doing that... Just stop it.

[Yokiria]

I don't want to see TEP continue to suffer at the hands of untrustworthy players

I'm going to stop you right there. You don't give a blind titty fuck how TEP does, you're not involved in any way (unless you love all GCR's and hope for freedom and democracy in which case you poor sod). You're part of the peanut gallery crying wolf, as as the rest of us.

Speak for yourself, DYP. In 2014, when I started actually socializing with people in this game outside of The Black Riders, I socialized with Osirans and TEPers. Osiris is the sinker that I love, and TEP is the feeder that I love. This is what I've always said. I've spent time being uninvolved in Osiris but I always gave a "blind titty fuck" how it was doing, and the same's true with TEP.

[A mean old man]

My vague memory of you briefly "socializing" with TEP circa 2014 involved you pitching a wild fit over something and ragequitting the Skype group.

[Yokiria]

My vague memory of you briefly "socializing" with TEP circa 2014 involved you pitching a wild fit over something and ragequitting the Skype group.

Either you have a very selective memory, or it just sucks. Xoriet, Severisen, Ram, The Salaxians, Bach, Todd, Ivo before he become "Knot".. I was in TEP, contributed to the region, and was part of the community. At the time, you weren't.

Oh, and the "something" I was angry over? It was the fact that Xoriet pegged me as her successor to lead the EPSA, I lead it for a week in a temporary position, but then I got passed over due to GCR politics.

So, are we done with this lame attempt to dispute that I have reason to care about TEP? Because it's only distracting from the matter at hand.

[Daytime to Night]

So, are we done with this lame attempt to dispute that I have reason to care about TEP? Because it's only distracting from the matter at hand.

Is the matter at hand that AMOM doesn't care about TEP? Because it seems to be, and TEP have heard this argument enough times to have considered it and kept it in their minds for future reference.

You seem to have moved on from shouting at TEP for destroying their treaty with TWP, to shouting at TEP for being mean to Osiris in private conversations, to shouting at TEP for their choice in friends and allies, to shouting at TEP for allowing AMOM to contribute to their legislature, and shouting about how you have their best interests at heart. You'll have to forgive them for being skeptical about the last one given the comments that have preceded it.

[Yokiria]

Is the matter at hand that AMOM doesn't care about TEP? Because it seems to be, and TEP have heard this argument enough times to have considered it and kept it in their minds for future reference.

I sincerely hope they have.

You seem to have moved on from shouting at TEP for destroying their treaty with TWP, to shouting at TEP for being mean to Osiris in private conversations, to shouting at TEP for their choice in friends and allies, to shouting at TEP for allowing AMOM to contribute to their legislature, and shouting about how you have their best interests at heart. You'll have to forgive them for being skeptical about the last one given the comments that have preceded it.

Okay, maybe that's fair. But when I don't give a shit about a region that I think is falling apart, I just leave a snarky comment and move on. I had friends in The Eternal Knights and knew they were being taken for a ride, so I was all over TEK in their GP thread. I saw abuse in Grand Central, and I cared about the people in that region, so I was all over their GP thread. I had friends in Enadia that I knew were being fucked with by their founder and their founder's sycophants, so I was all over Enadia in their GP thread. I saw players being taken advantage of in CCD. Now I see TEP being manipulated, and they're my favorite feeder, so you're damn right I'm all over this thread. The destruction of the TWP treaty, the treatment of Osiris, the new allies, AMOM's newfound activity... It all stinks. The trilateral treaty between TEP, TSP, and TRR is going to go up in smoke next. Just watch.

[Queen Yuno]

Both sides of this story need to learn to be nicer and less petty.

NS politics really corrupts otherwise fine people.

[A mean old man]

Both sides of this story need to learn to be nicer and less petty.

This sort of stale, self-serving, “holier-than-thou” position on any kind of conflict has never once in the course of recorded history been helpful. My “side” is doing just fine, thank you, and carrying itself extremely professionally given the sheer hysteria that it’s up against. This plug for how mature you are relative to everyone with a bone to pick doesn’t detract from that.

[Great Algerstonia]

Both sides of this story need to learn to be nicer and less petty.

This sort of stale, self-serving, “holier-than-thou” position on any kind of conflict has never once in the course of recorded history been helpful. My “side” is doing just fine, thank you, and carrying itself extremely professionally given the sheer hysteria that it’s up against. This plug for how mature you are relative to everyone with a bone to pick doesn’t detract from that.

I thought we were going against nations. Not bones. I'm confused now.

[Unibot III]

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My suggestion is this unlikely to be constructive conversation, TEP is probably going to be encouraged by it to double-down on their re-integration of AMOM and the rehabilitation of TEP-NPO relations. [Also: every time someone posts anything negative about the NPO, the NPO brings out a crew of disrupters (Hi DYP!) to sling poop and tell us how they're actually roleplayers and cookie bakers. There should be a more sophisticated effort to counter NPO's propaganda.]

However, the GCRs that have the longest track-record of opposing NPO (i.e., TNP & TRR) and the GCRs with the longest history of being invaded/antagonized/subjugated by NPO (i.e., Lazarus, Osiris, and TNP) might make for the foundation of a containment policy agenda. TRR, TNP, and Osiris are the three most reliable diplomatic partners in the GCRs.

NPO is reaching out to every GCR it can reach out to, and if you're actually going to advance a containment policy to stop the dominoes from falling, you'll need to speak to public officials in the containment field, hold conferences if possible, and plan out some kind of public face for an initiative to put the brakes on the NPO's reaccession to diplomatic stronghold and its revival of influence in TWP, TEP, and TSP (The old "MPA" / "Superfriends" network); it's clear they're prioritizing their old allies (TWP, TEP, and TSP) and a containment strategy should be focused on trying to prevent them from being pulled into some sort of NPO Diaspora, especially since TEP/TWP are longtime Osiris allies and TSP is TRR's closest ally.

[Acronis]

... But when I don't give a shit about a region that I think is falling apart, I just leave a snarky comment and move on. ...

Ok, hi, I'm a completely irrelevant bit player who never posts on the forums so I understand that on the hierarchy of perspectives that are important, mine is pretty low. That's totally cool, I'm good with that. But this right here is the part that I just do not understand, presuming that the implication of the above statement is that TEP is a region falling apart that that Yokiria does give a shit about. I genuinely, well and truly do not understand the implication that TEP is "falling apart." I'm speaking in general here, in response to the whole conversation and not any particular person, this implication that TEP is in some kind of death spiral of terrible decisions.

Meanwhile, as far as I can tell, the community in TEP is as vibrant as it's ever been. I can personally vouch that the roleplay community is more active than any time in recent memory and EPSA is seeing an unprecedented resurgence and people are noticing. Our legislature is seeing a huge increase in membership, as is the executive branch of government. All these points are subjective and relative, of course, but if this is what falling apart looks like, then someone please show me what stability looks like, because that's gotta be wild.

It's very clear that there are people who have decided that they don't like TEP, and frankly, I think people are picking things to choose to be upset about because they want to be upset with TEP. I'm not sure what TEP can actually do to address the complaints people are making, because the complaints - from my perspective - seem to center very largely around "TEP isn't doing what I think they ought to." And I mean, come on, go back and read some of the posts in this thread. I can't imagine why anyone in TEP would read them and decide "Yeah, maybe we ought to consider more about what they have to say." What, in actuality, is the harm that is being done here, besides some bruised egos?

TEP's doing fine. Doing great, even, at least as far as I'm concerned. A few particularly loud people who were already upset with TEP for whatever personal reasons have picked new things to be loudly upset about. Why would that be any reason for TEP to change course in anything?

all views are my own and not that of the government of TEP, etc. etc, I'll return to irrelevancy now but I just wanted to pop in and explain what it really feels like down here on the ground.

[Roavin]

TRR, TNP, and Osiris are the three most reliable diplomatic partners in the GCRs.

>_>!

[Queen Yuno]

Both sides of this story need to learn to be nicer and less petty.

This sort of stale, self-serving, “holier-than-thou” position on any kind of conflict has never once in the course of recorded history been helpful. My “side” is doing just fine, thank you, and carrying itself extremely professionally given the sheer hysteria that it’s up against. This plug for how mature you are relative to everyone with a bone to pick doesn’t detract from that.

Hello there.

Firstly, I'm sorry you were offended over this and have to read my post in the most negative and cynical way possible, but it's nothing personal.

It's not "holier than thou" to occasionally remind people that this is just a game (a Roleplay even, as GlenRhodes preached in a different thread.) There's no need to create personal attacks, or to forget that there are real people behind the screen.

You may think of my takes as self-serving, but it's really just out of genuine intent to remind everyone to cool it, and become considerate that we're all humans, take a breather, and think logically.

Yes, even toward the opposite sides of a Gameplay conflict.

You can call me self-serving for expressing my opinions about the entire situation (which I have the full right to- I don't even need to choose sides- this is a public forum,) and you may ignore what I just said, which is regrettable. However, I am sure that my words will get through to enough people, to learn, and self-improve, and change the way they conduct business with regions and nations.

So yeah, I hope that clears up the intent behind my feedback, it's nothing personal or malicious. A person can post simply out of concern for how people are treating each other.

So please don't just accuse me of trying to show off how mature I am, just respond to my points ethically. I'm really just wanting people to treat each other kinder in Gameplay and in general. Thank you..