Embassy of The East Pacific: March Issue is Out Now!

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[Libertanny]

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OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON WITHDRAWAL FROM THE BEST PACIFICS TREATY

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The Government of the Confederated East Pacific regretfully announces The East Pacific’s withdrawal from The Best Pacifics Treaty, a defense-diplomatic treaty between The East Pacific and The West Pacific, ratified on July 4th 2017.

Provost A Mean Old Man issued this decision on orders of the Delegate of The East Pacific, Libertanny. This withdrawal results from failed Section V talks between The West Pacific and The East Pacific. The final decision on withdrawal was made by The West Pacific closing their in-game Embassy (therefore violating Section II, point 2 of the treaty), removing their Diplomats (therefore violating Section II, point 1 of the treaty), and unofficially notifying The East Pacific about “withdrawal from the treaty”, which did not follow the procedure outlined in Section V, point b of the aforementioned treaty.

On 10th of August 2020, at 15:42 PM (3:42 PM) UTC, Delegate of The West Pacific, Bran Astor stated that “It has been brought to our attention that TEP has made statements concerning their withdrawal from this treaty”. We do not know how The West Pacific came into possession of such information (if it even did - TWP’s delegation has since backpedaled on this claim and called it a “bluff” intended to discover whether we were considering withdrawal), as it was information discussed in the Cabinet and in a closed session of the Magisterium, the legislature of the East Pacific. There is no legal way for this information to have been disclosed (except for a vote of the Magisterium, which is public and did not take place). As such, it must be inferred that The West Pacific has violated either Section IV, point 1, regarding intelligence sharing or Section IV, point 3, regarding espionage. We cannot trust any subsequent withdrawals of this claim.

The proposal was brought to the Magisterium on 1st of August 2020. Although at first a majority supported a repeal, the Magisterium ultimately agreed that amending it could be the better option. Delegate Libertanny agreed to this and had intended to start a dialogue regarding renegotiations of the treaty around late August. Although there were concerns regarding The West Pacific’s approach to the Treaty, The East Pacific still saw The West Pacific as an allied region and considered several of its high officials to be “Friends of The East Pacific”. The East Pacific has had numerous chances to cooperate with The West Pacific, as an ally would with an ally, such as military cooperation, cultural events and TWP’s support during and after the coup. Therefore we are sad that this has come to the point of closing relations when it shouldn't have.

The Delegate of The East Pacific, respectful of the separation of powers within the Government, cannot comment on the situation regarding Halo, Badger or Aelitia Astor. The Praesidium and Conclave are separate and independent bodies, where the Delegate has no say. However, in order to clarify the situation, an overview is included here. The mentioned personas are (or were) Citizens of The East Pacific and actions taken against them do not reflect any negative sentiment towards The West Pacific. The situation regarding Badger and Halo, though not yet resolved, is being handled by the Conclave, which will make their ruling public in due time. Former Citizen Aelitia may appeal the decision of Praesidium at any time and thus far has opted not to. In regard to the situation regarding Bran, also known as British Grand Pacific during his time in The East Pacific, the Delegate has no rule over administrative actions of TEP Admin Team. To clarify the situation, BGP (Bran) has been at times in the past banned from The East Pacific Forums for destructive actions against the community. After being unbanned, Bran re-applied for Citizenship in 2016, yet, upon being deferred to a Public Conciliation Panel, Bran withdrew his Citizenship Application. As of present, Bran is not technically banned from The East Pacific forums or any other East Pacifican body, although remains in a status of administrative limbo and is effectively banned following his abandonment of the Public Conciliation Panel. The Public Conciliation Panel would need to be completed before any action can be taken on Bran’s citizenship application.

Finally, The East Pacific sees a potential security concern in that The West Pacific’s leadership has been sharing screenshots from the Group DM that happened between The West Pacific and The East Pacific. With respect to the privacy of both sides, The East Pacific will not be sharing any logs, screenshots, or leaks from official, private talks.

Ultimately, The East Pacific is disappointed in the way TWP’s Government decided to manage this affair. The termination of the treaty, as well as the termination of in-game Embassies, were not forgone conclusions, and The East Pacific had hoped - and continues to hope - that any dispute between our two regions can be resolved through earnest, good-faith discussions. While it is clear that the Best Pacifics Treaty will no longer be the framework by which The East Pacific interacts with The West Pacific, the region wants the government and the people of The West Pacific to know that our door is always open.

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On behalf of The East Pacific,
Delegate Libertanny & the Cabinet of The East Pacific

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[Aivintis]

I'm sad to see that TWP has made these decisions, because people like Mia and Zorian are shining examples of the good parts of TWP, but I'm glad that similar decisions will not be possible in the future. Hail Pacificus Orientalem.

[Libertanny]

I'm sad to see that TWP has made these decisions, because people like Mia and Zorian are shining examples of the good parts of TWP, but I'm glad that similar decisions will not be possible in the future. Hail Pacificus Orientalem.

Couldn't agree more. There's numerous awesome people within The West Pacific, such as Mia, Zoran or Gio. Sad to see, that it went this, and not the other, preferred by TEP, direction.

Hail!

[Queen Yuno]

Hey, nice long statement. I'm not very interested in the politics behind it, I'm just curious about 1 former citizen who worked hard for the region in the past (and was never in Rahls.) Can you investigate what happened here:
This guy is the same guy who liberated TEP by banning Fedele? Could you do something about that or just leave it?

Doesn't matter too much to me. But I feel it's unfair, he's been a Vizier Guardian for TEP since 2011-2019 and can't rejoin in 2020? But whatever

Our current Minister and Guardian, Aelita, has been blocked from citizenship for security reasons.

WAIT! I'm out of the loop because I only paid attention to TNP for the last few years, but what happened here?!

This man, Aelitia, is the same person who STOPPED the Fedele coup, by being the POINT. He's a hero of TEP due to being ONE of the core people and one of the main reasons TEP was liberated from a close coup. Because what he did was -- Aelitia was the TEP Vizier Guardian with very high endorsement counts.

All alliance regions moved in and endorsed Aelitia ABOVE Fedele.

Aelitia banned Fedele and the coupers, and then restored TEP control to the natives and the old guard Viziers.

And telegrammed/helped the legally elected Delegate take the Delegacy place.

Then he went inactive from NationStates and moved on. Now he applies for citizenship to the region that he was the POINT for the liberation for, and gets rejected?

I wonder what happened here??? I'm dead af lol

Poor Aelitia, seriously. TEP is savage.
I can't believe what I just read XD

EDIT: I just asked someone on discord whether it's real and turns out it's real

[Libertanny]

Yuno,

The statement says: "Former Citizen Aelitia may appeal the decision of Praesidium at any time and thus far has opted not to."

In addition from me: Aelitia can appeal to the Conclave over his denial at any time. If Aelitia decides not to appeal, then his citizenship will remain denied. The Delegate has no say over this matter and I am not at liberty to disclose any material of Praesidium. Yet, denial of citizenship requires evidence and decision of Viziers (Praesidum) as a whole.

[Queen Yuno]

Yuno,

The statement says: "Former Citizen Aelitia may appeal the decision of Praesidium at any time and thus far has opted not to."

In addition from me: Aelitia can appeal to the Conclave over his denial at any time. If Aelitia decides not to appeal, then his citizenship will remain denied. The Delegate has no say over this matter and I am not at liberty to disclose any material of Praesidium. Yet, denial of citizenship requires evidence and decision of Viziers (Praesidum) as a whole.

I see. Thanks for taking your time to answer. I have been inactive in this game, so it's natural for me to be baffled and confused at these new developments.

I still feel my opinion that this is "wrong" - but to each their own opinion. Good luck, Delegate Libertanny!

[ArenaC]

UNOFFICIAL STATEMENT from a CITIZEN OF THE EAST PACIFIC
DÉCLARATION OFFICIELLE d'un CITOYEN DU PACIFIQUE EST
^{_{APPROVED FOR PUBLISHMENT AUGUST 11TH 2020
APPROUVÉ POUR LA PUBLICATION LE 11 AOÛT 2020}}

EN
While I was honestly disappointed that cutting off relations was needed, it was needed, all there is to it.
I most honestly hope relations can be reformed, as inter-Pacific relationships are much important to the stability of those regions' external affairs.
I extend my gratitude to my colleagues and the West for making this treaty a point of discussion, and for making a swift decision to the outcome.
DO NOTE I will make NO public statement as to Halo, Badger, or Aelitia as I, like Delegate Libertanny, am not at liberty to do so, and I know basically nothing as to their current status, so why do I need to address the matter?

TLDR: hoping things get better.

FR
Même si j'étais honnêtement déçu de la nécessité de couper les relations, c'était nécessaire, tout ce qu'il y avait à faire.
J'espère très sincèrement que les relations pourront être réformées, car les relations interpacifiques sont très importantes pour la stabilité des affaires extérieures de ces régions.
J'exprime ma gratitude à mes collègues et à l'Occident pour avoir fait de ce traité un point de discussion et pour avoir pris une décision rapide sur le résultat.
REMARQUE: Je ne ferai AUCUNE déclaration publique concernant Halo, Badger ou Aelitia car je ne suis pas, comme le délégué Libertanny, libre de le faire, et je ne sais fondamentalement rien de leur statut actuel, alors pourquoi ai-je besoin de répondre au matière?

TLn'aPL: en espérant que les choses s'améliorent.

Yours truly, - Votre sincèrement,
AC

EDITED TO REFLECT THAT STATEMENTS FROM ME ARE TO BE BILINGUAL EN/FR
MODIFIÉ POUR REFLÉTER QUE LES DÉCLARATIONS DE MOI DOIVENT ÊTRE BILINGUES EN / FR

[Tinhampton]

No comment.

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Why did we also need that statement in French?

[Qvait]

Why did we also need that statement in French?

The East loves their French. The Galopagos Accords between TEP and TSP was originally gonna be les Accords des Galopagos.

[Varanius]

No comment.

Why make a comment to express your lack of comment?

[Marrabuk]

I am Marrabuk from TEP and I am here to say I have no comments.

[Boda]

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I don’t know who you are but you just made my day today

[Davelands]

Snip

I don’t know who you are but you just made my day today

ArenaC is ALWAYS good for a chuckle or two.

[ArenaC]

No comment.

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Why did we also need that statement in French?

Because yes

[Daytime to Night]

I think this week has shown how insincere the treaty has become (outside of a few individuals) and hopefully both regions can move forward past this and invest in more fruitful partnerships.

[Imperium of Josh]

I think this week has shown how insincere the treaty has become (outside of a few individuals) and hopefully both regions can move forward past this and invest in more fruitful partnerships.

Well, TWP might go for fruitful partnerships. TEP seems to only be seeking out partnerships that make anyone with any political sense ask "why?"

[A mean old man]

You say "political sense" when you mean "inclinations towards cronyism". TEP didn't join the Rahl revisionist bandwagon and chose not to forget what certain people did to its government and its community. It also decided not to sell out to TWP & Friends' military bloc - a move that would have made absolutely zero internal political sense whatsoever. TWP's terms for alliance are apparently extremely conditional, and would require us to be a cowed vassal state that rolls over when confronted with thuggish "diplomatic" interventions and for us to take the TWP overseers' flamboyant disrespect of our leaders and our security lying down. Being the butt of your (frankly rather underwhelming) hostile PR campaign is well worth the dissolution of an entirely one-sided and degrading "alliance" with TWP.

[Yokiria]

AMOM, you're operating on an outdated view of the game. This isn't anything to do with NS families. This isn't anything to do with a military bloc. This has to do with a phenomena that has been borne out of the Discord era of NationStates; the informal persona non grata.

Don and KoGB have long been informally blacklisted, and the "interesting" community in Thaecia is no doubt a candidate for it. With TEP's reputation already on shaky ground, TEP making ties with those two regions and being so unapologetic about it is why this is happening.

[Lord Dominator]

The situation regarding Badger and Halo, though not yet resolved, is being handled by the Conclave, which will make their ruling public in due time.

The Conclave acknowledges the evidence and statements submitted by both the Prosecution and the Accused. We have reviewed this evidence on the merit of a full trial.

Upon deliberation, the Conclave finds insufficient merit to warrant a full trial on the charges presented, with the evidence provided. The evidence shows behavior which may displease or even worry the government, but presents no basis for charges of high treason, treason, or sedition according to the Treason Act of The East Pacific.

Edit: Am not TEP Conclave (obviously) & this is the statement on both.

[JURISDICTIONS]

AMOM, you're operating on an outdated view of the game. This isn't anything to do with NS families. This isn't anything to do with a military bloc. This has to do with a phenomena that has been borne out of the Discord era of NationStates; the informal persona non grata.

Don and KoGB have long been informally blacklisted, and the "interesting" community in Thaecia is no doubt a candidate for it. With TEP's reputation already on shaky ground, TEP making ties with those two regions and being so unapologetic about it is why this is happening.

As the former Lord Chief Justice of the Kingdom of Great Britain, former Prince Royal, and newly retired NS player after 12 years, I can tell you the following.

Don, was in trouble for prosecuting secret wars against other major regions in NS.

Don was ousted by KoGB and has never returned, and has been PNG from KoGB for his Crimes against NationStates.
Now, Don certainly was an individual of cultish personality, but he no longer exists anywhere meaningful in NS, except for cheap thrills at seeing people crap bricks when he appears, as if he is Voldemort or something.

The Kingdom of Great Britain, as it was remade by myself, and the current and future sovereigns of KoGB is so far removed from Don, it’s laughable that we’d want anything to do with him. Almost every part of his legacy in that region has been eradicated, and the region has been working to restore its good name among the inter-regional community.

It’s a completely different place than 5 years ago. You should applause the progress that has been made in the past several years to ensure that we don’t have someone like that at the helm again.

I retired on July 31. That region is where I always envisioned it going, if I got my way, and I did.

Juris Lancaster
Former Viceroy & Arbiter of TEP
Former Lord Chief Justice of the Kingdom of Great Britain.

Author, WA, failed resolution to commend AMOM during the Rule 4 writers strike, and the single-handed end of the 3WB (3rd Wall bloc).

[A mean old man]

The "informal persona non grata" concept has existed for as long as I remember. I'm not operating on an "outdated view" of the game so much as actually playing it - something team Rahl (I stand by this) is so incapable of doing convincingly that they stoop to cheap shots in their efforts to "win". Attempting to elevate entire regions who have engaged in unconventional recruitment methods and "disruption" of an interregional function to the level of INDIVIDUALS-WHO-SHALL-NOT-BE-NAMED-KNOWN-FOR-ACTS-THAT-SHALL-NOT-BE-DESCRIBED is borderline "informal persona non grata"-worthy unto itself, and should be met with intense scrutiny and resistance.

If you want to shut me up on these points I need to see more than vague, untrustworthy comments from people with obvious political incentives for making them. I need to see what specific people have said and done in order to elevate them to said status. I have seen no such specific material on no specific individuals. We have made painstaking efforts to vet our FA contacts for "baggage" and have ruled out a number of regions during this process. You are grasping at straws and making mountains out of molehills with what you're left to work with and everyone can tell. Attempting to paint us as unscrupulous in this regard is below the belt and contemptible.

Maintaining a climate of scandal in order to achieve in-game supremacy is extremely low-brow and reflects very poorly on the skill and character of the actors responsible.

[Yokiria]

I retired on July 31. That region is where I always envisioned it going, if I got my way, and I did.

I am sure you're coming from a place of honesty, Juris, but KGB's mishandling of a serious OOC matter post-Don still has me doubtful on their improvement, and your testimony isn't enough to move me on that. I wish it was. The region is still proscribed by Osiris, as well, so I can't go in and see the legitimacy of these changes myself.

If you want to shut me up on these points I need to see more than vague, untrustworthy comments from people with obvious political incentives for making them. I need to see what specific people have said and done in order to elevate them to said status.

Here's the thing, AMOM. When I make the comments I do, I'm not aware of the political incentives surrounding the subject matter. I would need those incentives spelled out to me to be aware of them, and I've leaked too far much for anyone to ever be so direct. That should lend me a sort of genuine quality, at least.

So genuinely, I don't see how you can say TEP "made painstaking efforts to vet its FA contacts" and then cry foul that people believe that. TEP vetted KoGB and Thaecia and those regions passed through the vetting? Your region didn't see anything wrong? ... Okay then.

[Daytime to Night]

So genuinely, I don't see how you can say TEP "made painstaking efforts to vet its FA contacts" and then cry foul that people believe that. TEP vetted KoGB and Thaecia and those regions passed through the vetting? Your region didn't see anything wrong? ... Okay then.

Ok Karen, your indignation about this doesn't seem to be about anything more than hearsay at this point. KoGB get a bad rep for issues with past members but are very much their own region now and Thaecia annoy a few holier-than-thou UCRs because of their recruitment efforts - but why would a feeder care about that anyway?

Not sure why everyone in Osiris is cheerleading on the hate against one of their allies