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Most telegrams I receive these days are "The WA wishes to notify you of the passing/reversal/whatever of WA revolution XYZ". Is there a way to turn these telegrams off without resigning from the WA?

I believe changing telegram settings to stop WA campaigns can help, though I'm just making a guess.



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Perruzio Veloce wrote:I believe changing telegram settings to stop WA campaigns can help, though I'm just making a guess.



Sydney number 1. Hail Australia

Stopping WA campaign telegrams don't work. WA campaign TGs are basically "Vote for this resolution!".

Australian rePublic wrote:Most telegrams I receive these days are "The WA wishes to notify you of the passing/reversal/whatever of WA revolution XYZ". Is there a way to turn these telegrams off without resigning from the WA?

To my knowledge, there is not, and I agree that they can be annoying; they're actually one of the reasons I resigned from the WA last year.

Hansdeltania wrote:

Perruzio Veloce wrote:I believe changing telegram settings to stop WA campaigns can help, though I'm just making a guess.



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Stopping WA campaign telegrams don't work. WA campaign TGs are basically "Vote for this resolution!".

Well bugger.

Australian rePublic wrote:Most telegrams I receive these days are "The WA wishes to notify you of the passing/reversal/whatever of WA revolution XYZ". Is there a way to turn these telegrams off without resigning from the WA?

I can't see why they'd be too much of a problem, considering that the frequency of such notification telegrams is one every few days at most...

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Most telegrams I receive these days are "The WA wishes to notify you of the passing/reversal/whatever of WA revolution XYZ". Is there a way to turn these telegrams off without resigning from the WA?

I can't see why they'd be too much of a problem, considering that the frequency of such notification telegrams is one every few days at most...

They can get annoying when they're the only telegrams one ever gets, as was the case for my WA nation. I definitely see where OP is coming from.

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Most telegrams I receive these days are "The WA wishes to notify you of the passing/reversal/whatever of WA revolution XYZ". Is there a way to turn these telegrams off without resigning from the WA?

I can't see why they'd be too much of a problem, considering that the frequency of such notification telegrams is one every few days at most...

A little nuisance is still a nuisance.

The only thing the WA is good for is raiding.

Ghost Land wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I can't see why they'd be too much of a problem, considering that the frequency of such notification telegrams is one every few days at most...

They can get annoying when they're the only telegrams one ever gets, as was the case for my WA nation. I definitely see where OP is coming from.

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Conquerus wrote:The only thing the WA is good for is raiding.

Using the WA exclusively for raiding is an even better reason to have the option of opting-out of those nuicence telegrams. I would argue that they should still exist, but not in telegram form, but rather, in a seperate tab or something

Australian rePublic wrote:

Ghost Land wrote:They can get annoying when they're the only telegrams one ever gets, as was the case for my WA nation. I definitely see where OP is coming from.

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But again they are so infrequent that I think to call them an annoyance is pushing it slightly. Maybe if they were getting sent out every day I'd see the issue, but normally it'll be one every week most of the time, or maybe two if the proposal authors concerned are exceptionally successful in passing Resolutions that particular week.

I agree with the OP, have been thinking along the same lines for a while.

Even if it's one every few days, it's still rather annoying to have to go into the telegrams page, especially if those are the only telegrams you tend to get. It's just a pointless extra few moves every day, and is even more noticeable for players like me who aren't really active outside of answering issues most of the time, so having to check telegrams every few days to disable the notification bubble actually gets noticeably annoying.

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:This

But again they are so infrequent that I think to call them an annoyance is pushing it slightly. Maybe if they were getting sent out every day I'd see the issue, but normally it'll be one every week most of the time, or maybe two if the proposal authors concerned are exceptionally successful in passing Resolutions that particular week.

Infrequent? I've recieved like 3 or 4 this week alone. And, recieving so few telegrams, 9 in 10 or something of the previous TGs I've recieved were that

Alterrum wrote:I agree with the OP, have been thinking along the same lines for a while.

Even if it's one every few days, it's still rather annoying to have to go into the telegrams page, especially if those are the only telegrams you tend to get. It's just a pointless extra few moves every day, and is even more noticeable for players like me who aren't really active outside of answering issues most of the time, so having to check telegrams every few days to disable the notification bubble actually gets noticeably annoying.

That, plus the fact that it's a telegram makes you think it's a personalised telegram. If it were at least elsewhere, then you could ignoring without worrying that you're missing anything adressed to you, and just quickly click that button to make the notification disappear, without opening every individual TG. Further, those who actually care can have access to it without scrolling through their TGs to find every single notification

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:But again they are so infrequent that I think to call them an annoyance is pushing it slightly. Maybe if they were getting sent out every day I'd see the issue, but normally it'll be one every week most of the time, or maybe two if the proposal authors concerned are exceptionally successful in passing Resolutions that particular week.

Infrequent? I've recieved like 3 or 4 this week alone. And, recieving so few telegrams, 9 in 10 or something of the previous TGs I've recieved were that

Nonsense. Two. You have received two this week. One for "Protecting Borrower Rights" on Thu Nov 7 2019, and one for "Commend Grays Harbor" on Fri Nov 8 2019.

Australian rePublic wrote:That, plus the fact that it's a telegram makes you think it's a personalised telegram.

How does it? It's clearly branded as a WA telegram in the inbox...

My proposal would be to have a "Recent WA legislation" tav that notifies WA members of recent legislation. Quickly clicking it and clicking away will make the notification tab disapoear (just like the new "notifications" feature. And unlike the stupid TG system we have now, non-WA members can also access it (they just won't receive any notifications)

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Infrequent? I've recieved like 3 or 4 this week alone. And, recieving so few telegrams, 9 in 10 or something of the previous TGs I've recieved were that

Nonsense. Two. You have received two this week. One for "Protecting Borrower Rights" on Thu Nov 7 2019, and one for "Commend Grays Harbor" on Fri Nov 8 2019.

Really? Well, that just proves my point, I rarely recieve any other telegrams that's it caused me to exaggerate those ones. Has it really baen that long since I've received a personalised telegram? Bloody hell! Also, according to my timezone, I've recieved 3 this week. And it's Saturday morningz meaning I have almost 1 2/3 full days left to recieve a 4th

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:That, plus the fact that it's a telegram makes you think it's a personalised telegram.

How does it? It's clearly branded as a WA telegram in the inbox...

Before you open you're inbox. I get exicited thinkint some actually wants to talk me, then I open it and think "oh, not the blue text again". Then I waste a few seconds opening it to make the notification disappear, only to repeat the cycle again for the next telegram

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Nonsense. Two. You have received two this week. One for "Protecting Borrower Rights" on Thu Nov 7 2019, and one for "Commend Grays Harbor" on Fri Nov 8 2019.

Really? Well, that just proves my point, I rarely recieve any other telegrams that's it caused me to exaggerate those ones.

So you admit that the "problem" is due to an exaggeration on your part? Well that renders this entire problem moot, doesn't it?

Australian rePublic wrote:according to my timezone, I've recieved 3 this week.

Yeah we can go by the site time, rather than squeezing in an extra telegram via a technicality. You got 2 WA telegrams this week.

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:How does it? It's clearly branded as a WA telegram in the inbox...

Before you open you're inbox. I get exicited thinkint some actually wants to talk me, then I open it and think "oh, not the blue text again". Then I waste a few seconds opening it to make the notification disappear, only to repeat the cycle again for the next telegram

Well that's probably on you for being presumptuous regarding their expected content tbh...

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:
Really? Well, that just proves my point, I rarely recieve any other telegrams that's it caused me to exaggerate those ones.

So you admit that the "problem" is due to an exaggeration on your part? Well that renders this entire problem moot, doesn't it?

Considering that others agree with me, I reject your premise

Australian rePublic wrote:according to my timezone, I've recieved 3 this week.

Yeah we can go by the site time, rather than squeezing in an extra telegram via a technicality. You got 2 WA telegrams this week. And in either, an annoyance is an annoyance, no matter how minor it is

Not a technicality mate, it says 5 days ago the legislation for natural sciences passed. That means that it happened on Monday

Now, there are three measures to measure this week:
- The calendar week starting on Sunday
- The calendar week starting on Monday
- The past seven days

Given that it's Saturday, and I receieved 3 telegrams since "5 days ago" it means that by all three measures I've recieved 3 of those irritating TGs this week. And that's not a technicality. The fact that it's Friday in the USA, doesn't change the fact that it's Saturday in Australia, and the fact that that TG was recieved on Sunday in the USA, doesn't change the fact that it was Monday in Australia. Given the fact that globally, there are orders of magnitude who are experiencing Saturday right now (or, at worst, an hour or two from it), then what there are experiencing Friday (due to Asia's extreme population) and also, given how in all but one of three measures 5 days ago counts as this week irrespective of timezones, then considering Sunday in North America to be last week is the technicality, whilst considering "5 days ago" to be this week is the norm.

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:How does it? It's clearly branded as a WA telegram in the inbox...

Before you open you're inbox. I get exicited thinkint some actually wants to talk me, then I open it and think "oh, not the blue text again". Then I waste a few seconds opening it to make the notification disappear, only to repeat the cycle again for the next telegram

Well that's probably on you for being presumptuous regarding their expected content tbh...[/quote]
**sigh**
That's supposed to be the bloody purpose of a telegram

Australian rePublic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Really? Well, that just proves my point, I rarely recieve any other telegrams that's it caused me to exaggerate those ones.

The New California Republic wrote:So you admit that the "problem" is due to an exaggeration on your part? Well that renders this entire problem moot, doesn't it?

Considering that others agree with me, I reject your premise

You yourself just said that the source of the problem is an exaggeration on your part. You said that. Nobody else. You.

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Yeah we can go by the site time, rather than squeezing in an extra telegram via a technicality. You got 2 WA telegrams this week.

Not a technicality mate, it says 5 days ago the legislation for natural sciences passed. That means that it happened on Monday

Nonsense. It says Passed: Sun Nov 3 2019. The telegram was sent on Sunday. The week starts on Monday. Two WA telegrams were sent this week.

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Well that's probably on you for being presumptuous regarding their expected content tbh...

**sigh**
That's supposed to be the bloody purpose of a telegram

...to make you be presumptuous? What?

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Considering that others agree with me, I reject your premise

You yourself just said that the source of the problem is an exaggeration on your part. You said that. Nobody else. You.

The exaggeration caused an error, nothing more, and doesn't mean that despite the error, it's not a problem

Australian rePublic wrote:
Not a technicality mate, it says 5 days ago the legislation for natural sciences passed. That means that it happened on Monday

Nonsense. It says Passed: Sun Nov 3 2019. The telegram was sent on Sunday. The week starts on Monday. Two WA telegrams were sent this week.

WRONG only the 18% of the world who live in the Western Hemisphere see that the legislation was passed on Sunday, meaning that the 82% of the world's population who live in the Eastern Hemisphere see that the legislation was passed on Monday. Surely, anything that's observed by 80%+ of the world's population is not It's like me trying tonargue with you about whether July is in summer or winter, when in reality, it's a matter of where you're located. Just because you don't believe that when it's Sunday in the Americas it's Monday for more than 80% of the world's population, doesn't mean it's not the case. Screaming "it was on Sunday" doesn't change the fact that the 82% of the world's population who lives on this side of the International Date Line are experiencing Monday. For 82% of the world's population who lives on this side of the International Date Line, the legislation was passed on Monday. However, if you don't understand how timezones work, there's no point in discussing this further (and if you've never travelled outside of North America/Eastern Polynesia/Hawaii, I don't blame you for not understanding timezones). Either that, or you legitimately think that 82% of the world's population is statistically insignificant enough to pass off our timezone as a technicality. (At this point, imma ask you which one of the two factors it is, if not both)

EDIT: Whilst it says that that legislation passed on Sunday, it's only because the server happens to be located in your timezone. It doesn't change the fact that for 82% of the world's population it was actually Monday when the legislation passed

Australian rePublic wrote:
**sigh**
That's supposed to be the bloody purpose of a telegram

...to make you be presumptuous? What?

I'm not going to dignify that with a response

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:You yourself just said that the source of the problem is an exaggeration on your part. You said that. Nobody else. You.

The exaggeration caused an error, nothing more, and doesn't mean that despite the error, it's not a problem

If the error on your part is the source of the problem—as it is because you just admitted it—then it most certainly does mean that.

Australian rePublic wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Nonsense. It says Passed: Sun Nov 3 2019. The telegram was sent on Sunday. The week starts on Monday. Two WA telegrams were sent this week.

WRONG only the 18% of the world who live in the Western Hemisphere see that the legislation was passed on Sunday, meaning that the 82% of the world's population who live in the Eastern Hemisphere see that the legislation was passed on Monday. Surely, anything that's observed by 80%+ of the world's population is not It's like me trying tonargue with you about whether July is in summer or winter, when in reality, it's a matter of where you're located. Just because you don't believe that when it's Sunday in the Americas it's Monday for more than 80% of the world's population, doesn't mean it's not the case. Screaming "it was on Sunday" doesn't change the fact that the 82% of the world's population who lives on this side of the International Date Line are experiencing Monday. For 82% of the world's population who lives on this side of the International Date Line, the legislation was passed on Monday. However, if you don't understand how timezones work, there's no point in discussing this further (and if you've never travelled outside of North America/Eastern Polynesia/Hawaii, I don't blame you for not understanding timezones). Either that, or you legitimately think that 82% of the world's population is statistically insignificant enough to pass off our timezone as a technicality. (At this point, imma ask you which one of the two factors it is, if not both)


EDIT: Whilst it says that that legislation passed on Sunday, it's only because the server happens to be located in your timezone. It doesn't change the fact that for 82% of the world's population it was actually Monday when the legislation passed

Jeez, all of this just because you want to slot that extra telegram into this week.

But to break this down a bit: I didn't "scream" anything, I know fine well how timezones work, and global population distribution; but that does not change the fact that from the game's perspective—which is the one we use because we are participating in it after all—it was sent on Sunday.

The New California Republic wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:
**sigh**
That's supposed to be the bloody purpose of a telegram

...to make you be presumptuous? What?

No, to have them be sent via pigeon, of course.

Anyway, to add my few cents to the debate here, even if the rate is not that high, it feels that way, which is ultimately how all of us experience the game. If it doesn't for some, then great for them; for others, it would be nice to have an option to disable the telegrams.

And I agree with the OP that it creates a bit of tension because normal telegrams are usually personal and require some response; the problem for me is exactly that a rather repetitive & uninformative automatic notification gets grouped together with messages that are usually the exact opposite. I never know what it is until I manually check it out. I wouldn't even mind it as much if it was under 'Notices', but even then, as someone who isn't actively involved in WA politics either, I honestly don't care and don't want to have to pointlessly go through the motions every few days to disable a notification bubble. I check into NationStates usually once per day for a few minutes, so it does become a noticeable distraction. Of course it's not the end of the world, but it also shouldn't be hard for the devs to make it optional so whatever effort they have to make, I'm sure it would on net improve satisfaction here.

Alterrum wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:...to make you be presumptuous? What?

No, to have them be sent via pigeon, of course.

Anyway, to add my few cents to the debate here, even if the rate is not that high, it feels that way, which is ultimately how all of us experience the game. If it doesn't for some, then great for them; for others, it would be nice to have an option to disable the telegrams.

And I agree with the OP that it creates a bit of tension because normal telegrams are usually personal and require some response; the problem for me is exactly that a rather repetitive & uninformative automatic notification gets grouped together with messages that are usually the exact opposite. I never know what it is until I manually check it out. I wouldn't even mind it as much if it was under 'Notices', but even then, as someone who isn't actively involved in WA politics either, I honestly don't care and don't want to have to pointlessly go through the motions every few days to disable a notification bubble. I check into NationStates usually once per day for a few minutes, so it does become a noticeable distraction. Of course it's not the end of the world, but it also shouldn't be hard for the devs to make it optional so whatever effort they have to make, I'm sure it would on net improve satisfaction here.

Another reason why I use TGs is for when I get an issue published, and I like recieving a TG for that, because I am active issue author. Whilst it is a generic message, it's still personalised, and still serves a personalised purpose which is specifically for those actively involved in the community, unlike these annoying WA messages that everyone gets, irrespective of how active they are in the community.