Evil Wolf Threatens Osiris with COUP!

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

Spooky

[Evil Wolf]

So you would think when screen shots come out that the Founder of a raider region is urging a coup against another GCR, screen shots which also show him confirming he would coup your GCR, your response would not be to wave off what he said and instead go after Osiris for no particular reason.

Except the screenshot's don't show that.

They just show me telling Elegarth to coup Osiris, jokingly, and also jokingly saying I would coup TNP in response to a question posed by Dali, who actually did coup TNP once. Elegarth also mockingly suggested that the only GCR's they would coup are TWP, TEP, and The Pacific.

Did you...did you even read the logs?

[Armaros]

Osiris must now proscribe Lazarus. Anything else would be inconsistent.

The Osiris-Lazarus treaty has provisions to address this kind of situation, should the government of Osiris opt to invoke them, which is entirely up to them and I'm not privy to their thinking on this matter. The idea Osiris would proscribe Lazarus is, of course, completely ludicrous. We aren't in the habit of proscribing allied regions for the actions of one person. To address your snarky, unspoken point of comparison, regions with a longtime history of hostility toward Osiris, like TSP, are a different story when one of their government officials suggests our people should throw out our government.

I have to admit I'm somewhat bewildered why you're snarking at Osiris instead of Evil Wolf and/or Lone Wolves United in this instance. It was my understanding that TSP, according to its new defender alignment, is supposed to stand for native sovereignty and self-determination. So you would think when screen shots come out that the Founder of a raider region is urging a coup against another GCR, screen shots which also show him confirming he would coup your GCR, your response would not be to wave off what he said and instead go after Osiris for no particular reason. It seems like folks in TSP don't really have any coherent strategy for implementing their new defender alignment beyond "snipe at Osiris without provocation in Gameplay."

Because these logs are obviously very serious.

Is “joking” a foreign concept to you, or are you just bored and have nothing better to do?

[East Ustya]

I think its the Banana guy again, but maybe that is just me.....

[Grater Tovakia]

Osiris must now proscribe Lazarus. Anything else would be inconsistent.

The Osiris-Lazarus treaty has provisions to address this kind of situation, should the government of Osiris opt to invoke them, which is entirely up to them and I'm not privy to their thinking on this matter. The idea Osiris would proscribe Lazarus is, of course, completely ludicrous. We aren't in the habit of proscribing allied regions for the actions of one person. To address your snarky, unspoken point of comparison, regions with a longtime history of hostility toward Osiris, like TSP, are a different story when one of their government officials suggests our people should throw out our government.

I have to admit I'm somewhat bewildered why you're snarking at Osiris instead of Evil Wolf and/or Lone Wolves United in this instance. It was my understanding that TSP, according to its new defender alignment, is supposed to stand for native sovereignty and self-determination. So you would think when screen shots come out that the Founder of a raider region is urging a coup against another GCR, screen shots which also show him confirming he would coup your GCR, your response would not be to wave off what he said and instead go after Osiris for no particular reason. It seems like folks in TSP don't really have any coherent strategy for implementing their new defender alignment beyond "snipe at Osiris without provocation in Gameplay."

woooooooooooooosh

Its a joke bud

[Servilis]

Kinda reminds me of the meme that goes "Fish walks on land, threatens to destroy Australia".

[Todd McCloud]

Leakers have no place in this game.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Leakers have no place in this game.

This is a silly stance - without leakers we wouldn't know about a multitude of coup plans and other schemes by many people. Leakers provide a service to the gameplay community - which is why the gameplay community needs to get better at recognising legitimate information and spin.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

I think its the Banana guy again, but maybe that is just me.....

Maybe it is him.

[Evil Wolf]

[...]which is why the gameplay community needs to get better at recognising legitimate information and spin.

Absolutely agreed. Some good and powerful information has been obtained by the right leak.

Unfortunately, this is not an example of such a leak, made more apparent by the fact it came from an unhidden and quite open channel. Technically, it's not even a leak at all.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Kinda reminds me of the meme that goes "Fish walks on land, threatens to destroy Australia".

If it was their cricket team I’d be up for that.

This whole thread is a good example of a Discord piss-take reaching the levels of Gameplay seriousness.

[Cormactopia II]

This whole thread is a good example of a Discord piss-take reaching the levels of Gameplay seriousness.

Evil Wolf's entire gameplay, including the coup he perpetrated, is one big case of taking the piss. Just because he was "joking" doesn't preclude the possibility he was also serious in his own way. He has every reason to be hostile to Osiris and Osiris has every reason to treat that hostility as credible.

[Evil Wolf]

He has every reason to be hostile to Osiris

I do?

Would some official from Osiris like to explain what reasons I should have? It might help me understand the mindset going into this logic, for which I am at a loss.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

This whole thread is a good example of a Discord piss-take reaching the levels of Gameplay seriousness.

Evil Wolf's entire gameplay, including the coup he perpetrated, is one big case of taking the piss. Just because he was "joking" doesn't preclude the possibility he was also serious in his own way. He has every reason to be hostile to Osiris and Osiris has every reason to treat that hostility as credible.

Honestly Cormac, this was a thread where Elegarth (Elegarth!) was trying to decide which was the GCR he wanted to coup based on how boring they were. Seriously sometimes you have to look at the big picture.

[Cormactopia II]

He has every reason to be hostile to Osiris

I do?

Would some official from Osiris like to explain what reasons I should have? It might help me understand the mindset going into this logic, for which I am at a loss.

Why would it require an official from Osiris to explain my comment? No official from Osiris has commented on this at all.

I can tell you why you would have reason to be hostile to Osiris. First, Osiris opposed the Khanate in Lazarus. Second, Osiris opposed your pals screwing around in The East Pacific. Third, Osiris is home to a whole bunch of people you and your pals don't like, especially me, but also including Koth, Altino, and who knows who else. The long and short of it is Osiris is opposed to you and your pals' agenda, and y'all don't like that, and thus y'all don't like Osiris.

Whether and to what degree Osiris will respond to your hostility is up to the Osiran government, but let's not pretend the hostility doesn't exist.

Honestly Cormac, this was a thread where Elegarth (Elegarth!) was trying to decide which was the GCR he wanted to coup based on how boring they were. Seriously sometimes you have to look at the big picture.

I'm aware of the context, and I have no doubt Elegarth was just joking and has no intention of couping anything. Evil Wolf is not Elegarth. Let's take a look at what he said earlier in the thread, before he decided to spin this as "I didn't do anything," when he couldn't care less what Osiris thought about this because he wasn't thinking through the potential ramifications for him elsewhere, like in Osiris' allied regions. At that point he was much more honest.

I'm a raider.

No duh.

He and his pals have an extensive history of perpetrating coups against various GCRs. There's no reason not to take their threats at face value, even when they hide those threats behind the thin veneer of humor. Everything Evil Wolf does, including couping, is for his own amusement anyway.

That gameplay is all a big joke to Evil Wolf and some of his pals doesn't mean they won't coup. It rather means they're much more likely to do so.

[Unibot III]

Leakers have no place in this game.

Says the co-organizer of the Brave Little Toaster electoral fraud plot.

[Evil Wolf]

First, Osiris opposed the Khanate in Lazarus.

As did practically every GCR. Osiris is not special in this regard. I don't have any reason to be hostile towards Osiris for this

Second, Osiris opposed your pals screwing around in The East Pacific.

Ah, TEP. A region you insist I have dealings with, yet am still un-involved with in every way. Again, I don't have any reason to be hostile towards Osiris for this.

Osiris is home to a whole bunch of people you and your pals don't like, especially me, but also including Koth, Altino, and who knows who else.

Cool. I don't know who my "pals" are but again, I can separate an entire community from one or two individuals I don't always see eye to eye with politically. There are many communities who have members I don't love, but I am not hostile towards them for it. It should go without saying, but I don't have any reason to be hostile towards Osiris for this.

The long and short of it is Osiris is opposed to you and your pals' agenda, and y'all don't like that, and thus y'all don't like Osiris.

I'm not sure who these other people are, but you seem to be projecting their feelings onto me, for reasons I can't quite comprehend. Whomever these people are, they do not speak for me, and don't give me a reason to be hostile towards Osiris.

There seems to be a great deal of projecting going on here. Perhaps Cormac just wants me to be hostile towards Osiris and is projecting his hopes and dreams upon me. Unfortunately for him, I really have no reason to be hostile towards Osiris, and he has failed to convince me otherwise.

I hope that the citizens of Osiris see this as well and understand that there is no factual ill blood between their region and myself, despite what Cormac wants.

[Cormactopia II]

I hope that the citizens of Osiris see this as well and understand that there is no factual ill blood between their region and myself, despite what Cormac wants.

Then why did you "jokingly" urge coups of Osiris twice, and then falsely state Osiris can't change its government except through coups?

Even if we accept the first two were jokes, which I don't, you demonstrated your hostility in the potshot about us being unable to change our government except through coups. This pretense that you're friendly with Osiris is just that, pretense. You're putting on a show for Lazarus at this point.

[Evil Wolf]

Then why did you "jokingly" urge coups of Osiris twice, and then falsely state Osiris can't change its government except through coups?

Why did I make a joke? Hmm. That's a difficult question, actually. Why do we, as human beings, make humor? It is evolutionary linked? Perhaps it's a physiological or sociological phenomenon. Needless to say, I don't feel myself properly qualified to answer such a deep metaphysical question.

I'm simply going to have to respond with "because I thought it was funny" and leave the debate to the Great Minds of our age.

You're putting on a show for Lazarus at this point.

I'm not sure how Lazarus got involved in this. Is there a motive you'd like to tell us about, Cormac? Perhaps something you'd like to pander to Lazarus about?

And let it not escape the notice of all reading that Cormac avoided all of my points to make yet another assertion. He has no explanation as to why I am not hostile towards Osiris. After all, he's trying so hard to get the region of Osrisi to hate me, and I think he's a bit put off that I am not living up to his projected expectations of me. But, alas, I still don't hate Osiris and have no reason to be hostile towards it, despite Cormac's vigorous assertions to the contrary.

[Cormactopia II]

You're putting on a show for Lazarus at this point.

I'm not sure how Lazarus got involved in this. Is there a motive you'd like to tell us about, Cormac? Perhaps something you'd like to pander to Lazarus about?

You're probably concerned Lazarus might actually take action against you for your "joke" threats and potshots against Osiris, an allied region.

Whether they do or not is entirely up to them, and is between the governments of Osiris and Lazarus. I'm only noting that you have a vested interest in downplaying this now, because it looks pretty bad for you to be a Guardian of one of Osiris' allies while "joke" threatening and casting aspersions on Osiris.

And let it not escape the notice of all reading that Cormac avoided all of my points to make yet another assertion. He has no explanation as to why I am not hostile towards Osiris. After all, he's trying so hard to get the region of Osrisi to hate me, and I think he's a bit put off that I am not living up to his projected expectations of me. But, alas, I still don't hate Osiris and have no reason to be hostile towards it, despite Cormac's vigorous assertions to the contrary.

None of your points effectively demonstrated a lack of hostility toward Osiris. If you weren't hostile to Osiris, you wouldn't be taking potshots like saying it can't change its government except through a coup. You wouldn't show up in our Discord server on occasion to argue and troll. You absolutely are hostile to Osiris -- you know it, I know it, anyone who's seen you show up in our server to argue and troll knows it. Drop the act.

[Evil Wolf]

You wouldn't show up in our Discord server on occasion to argue and troll. You absolutely are hostile to Osiris -- you know it, I know it, anyone who's seen you show up in our server to argue and troll knows it. Drop the act.

I'm sorry, but I am honestly not trying to "troll", as you put it. It is my genuinely held belief that I am not hostile towards Osiris.

I am sorry that you feel that way, Cormac, but it's simply not true. I hold no hostility towards Osiris.

[Cormactopia II]

You wouldn't show up in our Discord server on occasion to argue and troll. You absolutely are hostile to Osiris -- you know it, I know it, anyone who's seen you show up in our server to argue and troll knows it. Drop the act.

I'm sorry, but I am honestly not trying to "troll", as you put it. It is my genuinely held belief that I am not hostile towards Osiris.

I am sorry that you feel that way, Cormac, but it's simply not true. I hold no hostility towards Osiris.

Your actions indicate otherwise, and actions speak louder than words.

[Evil Wolf]

Your actions indicate otherwise, and actions speak louder than words.

Yet all you're citing to support your position is words. So what exactly does that say?

[Cormactopia II]

Your actions indicate otherwise, and actions speak louder than words.

Yet all you're citing to support your position is words. So what exactly does that say?

What I mean by actions speaking louder than words is your past conduct speaks louder than the words you're speaking now to try to smooth things over.

When you showed up in our server to argue and troll to the point our server moderators had to step in and tell you to knock it off, that was the real you. When you twice urged coups of Osiris, then took a potshot at the region that happened to also be a lie, that was the real you. This apologetic, friendly routine right now? This "I am sorry that you feel that way, Cormac" and "I hold no hostility towards Osiris" stuff? That's not the real you. It's an act.

For months now, you have relentlessly trolled me, and others from Osiris, off-site, and you've had nothing but bad things to say about Osiris. Do not insult my intelligence or the intelligence of anyone else from Osiris by trying to act like aw shucks, you were just kiddin', and you really us.

None of us are that stupid.

[Evil Wolf]

For months now, you have relentlessly trolled me, and others from Osiris, off-site, and you've had nothing but bad things to say about Osiris. Do not insult my intelligence or the intelligence of anyone else from Osiris by trying to act like aw shucks, you were just kiddin', and you really us.

None of us are that stupid.

"Me"? "My"? And just the tacking on, after the fact, of the Osiris name for good measure.

Seems your position is more about yourself than Osiris, Cormac.

Whom are you really being offended for? Yourself and your own interests? Or Osiris?

To me, it does not seem like you are acting in the interest of Osiris at all, but only mean to escalate a petty squabble between yourself and I to a regional level, and it seems that you intend to drag every region you can into it, if need be.

That seems like more of an insult to Osiris than any joke I may have ever made in the past.