Liberalia's War For Freedom

[Rebels and Saints]

Eh, a bit strict for me.

Well, it's unfortunate that you're refusing well-intentioned advice from an experienced raider, and refusing to use accepted terminology. Regardless, your operation is at best intended to be a detagging, and certainly not a liberation.

I'd also like to point out that Lily retags some regions raided by the Black Hawks.

Lily tags regions by the hundreds, I doubt they care who was in there before. And they don't claim to have liberated the region either.

We've got more in store. Just you wait.

More retagging that you pretend to be "liberations", or more actual liberations/detagging?

Also, I don't much care if raiders or defenders respect us, and I'll make sure that, by this time next year, they do.

Well, I hope you change your ways to earn that respect.

Again, it was a detag, though that isn't how our military actions normally work.

My comment about the strictness of the rules was meant to be sarcastic. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

Lily does tag regions by the hundreds, but they also detag work by other raiders. However, they have a specific policy of retagging work done by the Black Hawks. They don't claim for these actions to be liberations, but I'm not claiming that Picaroons was a liberation.

Something on a much, much larger scale than what we've done so far.

Dear God, are you going to judge our entire region's style based on one detag? I told you, this was a weird case for us. Not what we normally do.

[Gorundu]

Lily does tag regions by the hundreds, but they also detag work by other raiders. However, they have a specific policy of retagging work done by the Black Hawks. They don't claim for these actions to be liberations, but I'm not claiming that Picaroons was a liberation.

I refer you then, to your own post:

The latest ludicrously lovely Liberalian liberation!

https://www.nationstates.net/region=picaroons

Furthermore, what I was trying to say was Lily's specific policy of retagging TBH-teaged regions is actual relevant because it has the capability to retag every one of them, while you've retagged like, 1 each day while they tag 100 in one update.

Dear God, are you going to judge our entire region's style based on one detag? I told you, this was a weird case for us. Not what we normally do.

Seems like the region you retagged next was the exact same thing. Doesn't seem like a weird case to me.

[The Benain Empire]

The latest de-tag in the war against Lily is https://www.nationstates.net/region=legionem_europaeum

[Picaroons]

This group is as tasteless as Lily. Tagging and retagging regions with founders is really stupid. Find something else to do instead of wasting people's time.

[Rebels and Saints]

Lily does tag regions by the hundreds, but they also detag work by other raiders. However, they have a specific policy of retagging work done by the Black Hawks. They don't claim for these actions to be liberations, but I'm not claiming that Picaroons was a liberation.

I refer you then, to your own post:

The latest ludicrously lovely Liberalian liberation!

https://www.nationstates.net/region=picaroons

Furthermore, what I was trying to say was Lily's specific policy of retagging TBH-teaged regions is actual relevant because it has the capability to retag every one of them, while you've retagged like, 1 each day while they tag 100 in one update.

Dear God, are you going to judge our entire region's style based on one detag? I told you, this was a weird case for us. Not what we normally do.

Seems like the region you retagged next was the exact same thing. Doesn't seem like a weird case to me.

An artistic use of alliteration. Not meant to be taken seriously.

OK, so we're starting small. Is there a problem with that?

[Rebels and Saints]

This group is as tasteless as Lily. Tagging and retagging regions with founders is really stupid. Find something else to do instead of wasting people's time.

You didn't move fast enough to defend your own region from Lily, so we did it for you. You should be grateful.

By the way, you told the wrong region to fuck off in your World Factbook Entry. If you're going to attack Liberalia, you might as well attack the correct one.

[Wabbitslayah]

This group is as tasteless as Lily. Tagging and retagging regions with founders is really stupid. Find something else to do instead of wasting people's time.

time wasted on a one nation region that can't be active enough nor set security precautions? If I leave my front door wide open and am almost never home, I can't really blame anyone but myself for my TV and vaulables being missing.

[Armaros]

This group is as tasteless as Lily. Tagging and retagging regions with founders is really stupid. Find something else to do instead of wasting people's time.

So because you left the door wide open they are stupid?

[Falacer]

This group is as tasteless as Lily. Tagging and retagging regions with founders is really stupid. Find something else to do instead of wasting people's time.

You didn't move fast enough to defend your own region from Lily, so we did it for you. You should be grateful.

By the way, you told the wrong region to fuck off in your World Factbook Entry. If you're going to attack Liberalia, you might as well attack the correct one.

Indeed, Liberalia is not in any way associated with The united nations of liberalia

[Rebels and Saints]

This group is as tasteless as Lily. Tagging and retagging regions with founders is really stupid. Find something else to do instead of wasting people's time.

Ah, yes, now you got it right.

And the same to you, kindly from R&S.

[Nisann]

Good to see some DRF members getting involved in worldwide matters - Abbots is showing my region up!

yeeet im abbots

[Klorgia1]

Raiders don't get this much hate for tagging regions, and we tag the ones they've invaded. I've chatted with members of Liberalia about doing this in a more defender-esque style, and we're moving to that, but this doesn't seem horrible.

[Nisann]

well lilly is kicked out of The colonies of Malnourishmentland And to all those people saying were retaggers acting like defenders we proved you wrong

The colonies of Malnourishmentland
was Freed By Abbots and Benain
Hi Skundi if your reading this

[Rebels and Saints]

Oh? What's this? Another anti-Lily military movement? Why yes, of course! Raven Brook, a region that was attacked by Lily a few months ago, was liberated by us at that time. However, it seems that Lily attempted to attack Raven Brook again. Too slow, though. Liberalia has won the day once more!

https://www.nationstates.net/region=raven_brook

[Rebels and Saints]

And to provide a link to the brilliant detag by Abbots and Benain:

https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... shmentland

[Reventus Koth]

Oy vey. Say it with me, guy: If you leave your name in the WFE, it's not a detag, it's a low effort retag.

The posters in this thread aren't kidding; you will never be taken seriously by either side of the game until you follow the socially accepted code of conduct for detags and liberations. If you want to brag about how cool of a defender you are, this thread is the place to do it. Not the property of the region you supposedly helped out.

Seriously, take it from a General of The Black Hawks. I'd take Lily over this any day of the week. I know you're capable of being better because it's such an easy fix.

[Fauxia]

Read this please.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=749379

And maybe go ask some bigger defender regions to show you how to defend. They have some nice tools too.

Otherwise, Koth is right. Altering the WFE from what it originally was is a tag raid. Pretty much the definition of a tag raid.

[Sancta Romana Ecclesia]

Oy vey. Say it with me, guy: If you leave your name in the WFE, it's not a detag, it's a low effort retag.

This. Detags are meant to restore WFE to the original state, if you tag yourself for detagging, it is still a tag. Just post it in here for boasting rights, NSGP will know. The natives will not appreciate your work either way, so no need to boast on their thing.

Also, you're not doing liberations. "Liberation" means that a raider Delegate controls the region and you kick them out. In a simple detag you're not liberating anything, because nobody's in the control, you're just moving to a region with no Delegate.

These are little things but NSGP likes to complain about everything You might as well fix this stuff, you'll get less angery comments.

[Dagraha]

My advice would be to ignore all of the naysayers.

There are three sets of "rules" in this game:
1. Game mechanics
2. Moderation
3. Convention
And the most interesting players in this game don't play by ruleset number 3.

It's convention, not mechanics or moderation, that defines "detag" protocol. Yes, the actions that together constitute "detagging" exist in game mechanics, but "detagging" itself is purely conventional - a social construct. Breaking from convention might affect the gameplay world's perception of your region, but it won't change your region's ability to operate as you want it to operate (within the bounds of rulesets 1 and 2).

In this thread we have a tried NSGP trope - an organisation does something different from what people are used to seeing, and immediately the usual crowd levies its stale sneers against its members. They're confident that they'll outlast you - that you're just another blip, here today, gone tomorrow, providing them with that little bit of meaningless drama that they crave. They're confident that they are stronger than you. Truth be told, they're usually right. Personally, I hope that you prove them wrong. Your little rebellion is not my war, but with a thousand little rebellions...

A decade ago, it was unconventional to think that feeder RMBs could ban advertisements. Now it's a universal convention, because people have changed how they play the game. Maybe you'll define a new niche - who's to say otherwise?

[The Benain Empire]

The most recent re-tag in the war against Lily.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=solis

[Armaros]

The most recent de-tag in the war against Lily.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=solis

That is not a detag, that is a retag. I suggest you read the detagging dispatches some people have (can't say off the top of my hat... Cormac had one I think?), because you're doing no one a favour by claiming to be "detagging" instead of admitting to retagging.

[Rebels and Saints]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=luminescia

After a brief but beneficial break, the 'Beralian brother are back at it again, being brilliant and benevolently battling bad guys and bullies.

Check out our newest detag/retag up above.

[Kuriko]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=luminescia

After a brief but beneficial break, the 'Beralian brother are back at it again, being brilliant and benevolently battling bad guys and bullies.

Check out our newest detag/retag up above.

You do realize that by retagging you're doing the exact same thing the taggers did in the first place right? For a region who doesn't like raiders, by your actions you yourselves can be classified as raiders.

[Gorundu]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=luminescia

After a brief but beneficial break, the 'Beralian brother are back at it again, being brilliant and benevolently battling bad guys and bullies.

Check out our newest detag/retag up above.

Indeed. Another tasteless retagging. It's unfortunate that you have ignored every single piece of advice you've been given. Not to mention the fact that you still don't know how to actually conduct an update operation.

[Klorgia1]

My advice would be to ignore all of the naysayers.

There are three sets of "rules" in this game:
1. Game mechanics
2. Moderation
3. Convention
And the most interesting players in this game don't play by ruleset number 3.

It's convention, not mechanics or moderation, that defines "detag" protocol. Yes, the actions that together constitute "detagging" exist in game mechanics, but "detagging" itself is purely conventional - a social construct. Breaking from convention might affect the gameplay world's perception of your region, but it won't change your region's ability to operate as you want it to operate (within the bounds of rulesets 1 and 2).

In this thread we have a tried NSGP trope - an organisation does something different from what people are used to seeing, and immediately the usual crowd levies its stale sneers against its members. They're confident that they'll outlast you - that you're just another blip, here today, gone tomorrow, providing them with that little bit of meaningless drama that they crave. They're confident that they are stronger than you. Truth be told, they're usually right. Personally, I hope that you prove them wrong. Your little rebellion is not my war, but with a thousand little rebellions...

A decade ago, it was unconventional to think that feeder RMBs could ban advertisements. Now it's a universal convention, because people have changed how they play the game. Maybe you'll define a new niche - who's to say otherwise?

Thank you. This shows my thoughts on the subject very well. Truth be told, I was caught a little off guard by some of my compatriots first attempts at Liberations, and have helped to make sure we do more defense (such as with Poles) when we can. But the reason I've let and helped this idea flourish, is because an accident when retagging gave me an idea my comrades have been kind enough to entertain.

Personally, I don't think raiding is such a great thing. But in some cases, where there is nothing left of a region to save (Only place-holding puppets left, for example), taking advertisement away from that helps. A lot. Furthermore, the energy of raiding (the conquest factor people enjoy) can be used against it. I don't want to make the game riderless, as that would change things I fundamentally enjoy. But taking away energy that hurts innocent and flourishing regions, and instead focusing it on a more contained battlefield away from active regions themselves is something even defenders don't do. It won't work 100%, but its a nice tag that hurts raider ads and uses the energy for a less destructive cause. We also happily allow regions to return to activity, and will use the skills acquired to defend when we can (something we have done on numerous occasions). So from my perspective, its actually great.

So, all that said, let me end this with a little add for all you reading: Raiders, any of you like the idea of spreading your influence and creating an 'empire', but hate the idea of hurting communities in the process? Come join us! It'll be more then a little enjoyable.