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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:17 pm

The most recent liberation in the fight against National Socialism by Liberalia, brought to you kindly by Abbots, Klorgia, and R&S:

https://www.nationstates.net/region=nazi_nations

If you are ready to join the fight against National Socialism, hop on this Discord and join Liberalia today!

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I certainly am :)
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Postby Germany-DE » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:26 am

We support anything against national socialism by default, it's in our constitution.

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Postby Xoriet » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:35 am

I don't think you call taking a region from native control a liberation. This is more of a raid. :p
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Postby Aclion » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:49 am

Xoriet wrote:I don't think you call taking a region from native control a liberation. This is more of a raid. :p

I think the term of art is "fash bash"
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Postby Xoriet » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:05 am

Aclion wrote:
Xoriet wrote:I don't think you call taking a region from native control a liberation. This is more of a raid. :p

I think the term of art is "fash bash"

It is, yes. Fash bashes usually are still identified as either raids or liberations in technical definition. "Occupied this fash region" versus "liberated this region from fash control". It can encompass either though, you're right.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:19 pm

Xoriet wrote:I don't think you call taking a region from native control a liberation. This is more of a raid. :p


Very well, then. A raid.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:33 pm

The latest ludicrously lovely Liberalian liberation!

https://www.nationstates.net/region=picaroons
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Postby Gorundu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:54 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:The latest ludicrously lovely Liberalian liberation!

https://www.nationstates.net/region=picaroons

You know a liberation is seizing an occupied region and restoring it to native control right? You didn't seize an occupied region, Lily was already gone by that time, and you clearly didn't restore it to native control. It could be detagging, but then you don't know what the region was like before Lily tagged it, so you can't really restore its original WFE, flag or tags. You did remove Lily's dispatches and embassy, but that's not enough. So you did...something? Raid would actually be a more appropriate way to describe it, since you put up your own WFE advertising your own region, your own flag, and even your own poll.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:10 am

Gorundu wrote:
Rebels and Saints wrote:The latest ludicrously lovely Liberalian liberation!

https://www.nationstates.net/region=picaroons

You know a liberation is seizing an occupied region and restoring it to native control right? You didn't seize an occupied region, Lily was already gone by that time, and you clearly didn't restore it to native control. It could be detagging, but then you don't know what the region was like before Lily tagged it, so you can't really restore its original WFE, flag or tags. You did remove Lily's dispatches and embassy, but that's not enough. So you did...something? Raid would actually be a more appropriate way to describe it, since you put up your own WFE advertising your own region, your own flag, and even your own poll.


Why is everybody here so particular about the correct terminology?

I don't particularly care, so call it what you want.
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Postby Gorundu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:22 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:Why is everybody here so particular about the correct terminology?

I don't particularly care, so call it what you want.

Because correct terminology matters? You wouldn't raid a region and call it "defending against potential raiders", just like you can't raid a region (with elements of detagging) and call it a "liberation".

Either you want to paint yourselves as something you're not, or you don't understand the basics of R/D terminology, in which case I'd suggest reading the guide to military gameplay pinned at the top of this subforum.

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Postby Skundi » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:29 am

Good to see some DRF members getting involved in worldwide matters - Abbots is showing my region up!
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:06 am

Gorundu wrote:
Rebels and Saints wrote:Why is everybody here so particular about the correct terminology?

I don't particularly care, so call it what you want.

Because correct terminology matters? You wouldn't raid a region and call it "defending against potential raiders", just like you can't raid a region (with elements of detagging) and call it a "liberation".

Either you want to paint yourselves as something you're not, or you don't understand the basics of R/D terminology, in which case I'd suggest reading the guide to military gameplay pinned at the top of this subforum.


I understand the basics of R/D terminology. The military action was meant to be a liberation, purely for the purpose of taking the region from Lily control and re-establishing it as being owned by its residents.

Liberalia had not engaged in diplomatic relations with this region before, so we are not sure what their flag and WFE may have looked like beforehand. As such, we have resorted to the use of a standard, copy-and-paste WFE for regions we have acted in.

It isn't intended to be a raid of the region (Liberalia has done raids, and they look quite a bit different), nor is it intended to be an advertisement for our region.

Skundi wrote:Good to see some DRF members getting involved in worldwide matters - Abbots is showing my region up!


And he will continue to! Just you wait. We got something big in store.
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Postby Gorundu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:47 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:I understand the basics of R/D terminology. The military action was meant to be a liberation, purely for the purpose of taking the region from Lily control and re-establishing it as being owned by its residents.

Liberalia had not engaged in diplomatic relations with this region before, so we are not sure what their flag and WFE may have looked like beforehand. As such, we have resorted to the use of a standard, copy-and-paste WFE for regions we have acted in.

It isn't intended to be a raid of the region (Liberalia has done raids, and they look quite a bit different), nor is it intended to be an advertisement for our region.

Again, I refer you to the military gameplay guide for the actual definition of "liberation". This is either a detag or a raid, depending on which perspective you look at it, but what it's not is a "liberation"

No matter what your intentions, the fact is the current WFE is advertising your own region, just like Lily advertised theirs on the WFE (albeit with different styles), and you even have a poll that basically says "we're awesome". That doesn't exactly look like restoring it to native control.

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Postby Eumaeus » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:19 am

Gorundu wrote:
Rebels and Saints wrote:I understand the basics of R/D terminology. The military action was meant to be a liberation, purely for the purpose of taking the region from Lily control and re-establishing it as being owned by its residents.

Liberalia had not engaged in diplomatic relations with this region before, so we are not sure what their flag and WFE may have looked like beforehand. As such, we have resorted to the use of a standard, copy-and-paste WFE for regions we have acted in.

It isn't intended to be a raid of the region (Liberalia has done raids, and they look quite a bit different), nor is it intended to be an advertisement for our region.

Again, I refer you to the military gameplay guide for the actual definition of "liberation". This is either a detag or a raid, depending on which perspective you look at it, but what it's not is a "liberation"

No matter what your intentions, the fact is the current WFE is advertising your own region, just like Lily advertised theirs on the WFE (albeit with different styles), and you even have a poll that basically says "we're awesome". That doesn't exactly look like restoring it to native control.

The term you are looking for is “retagging”; retagging is like detagging but the retaggers insert an advertisement for their own region instead of something a little more tasteful. The tools I use are out of date, but I’m sure an actual defender could share some detagging tools to help this group find old flags and WFEs.

Edit: I should probably contextualize that second sentence by pointing out that, generally speaking, neither raiders nor defenders have any respect for retaggers. Retagging is just raiding and then acting like it was defending.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:26 am

Basically with Picaroon as an example, Defenders will consider you no more than raiders at worst or abysmally noobish people trying to be defenders. Raiders will not consider you as defenders either but will not treat you with respect (which they may begrudgingly give defenders) for retagging their stuff pretending to be defenders.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:46 pm

Wabbitslayah wrote:Basically with Picaroon as an example, Defenders will consider you no more than raiders at worst or abysmally noobish people trying to be defenders. Raiders will not consider you as defenders either but will not treat you with respect (which they may begrudgingly give defenders) for retagging their stuff pretending to be defenders.


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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:51 pm

Eumaeus wrote:
Gorundu wrote:Again, I refer you to the military gameplay guide for the actual definition of "liberation". This is either a detag or a raid, depending on which perspective you look at it, but what it's not is a "liberation"

No matter what your intentions, the fact is the current WFE is advertising your own region, just like Lily advertised theirs on the WFE (albeit with different styles), and you even have a poll that basically says "we're awesome". That doesn't exactly look like restoring it to native control.

The term you are looking for is “retagging”; retagging is like detagging but the retaggers insert an advertisement for their own region instead of something a little more tasteful. The tools I use are out of date, but I’m sure an actual defender could share some detagging tools to help this group find old flags and WFEs.

Edit: I should probably contextualize that second sentence by pointing out that, generally speaking, neither raiders nor defenders have any respect for retaggers. Retagging is just raiding and then acting like it was defending.


I'm aware of what retagging is. Point is, this wasn't intended to be a retag, merely a liberation/detag. This case was unique in that we didn't have diplomatic relations with the region, so we didn't know their past appearance. I'd also like to point out that Lily retags some regions raided by the Black Hawks.

Also, I don't much care if raiders or defenders respect us, and I'll make sure that, by this time next year, they do.
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Postby The Benain empire » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:56 pm

The most recent detag of the region of the war against lily
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_grand_citadel
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Postby Eumaeus » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:01 pm

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Eumaeus wrote:The term you are looking for is “retagging”; retagging is like detagging but the retaggers insert an advertisement for their own region instead of something a little more tasteful. The tools I use are out of date, but I’m sure an actual defender could share some detagging tools to help this group find old flags and WFEs.

Edit: I should probably contextualize that second sentence by pointing out that, generally speaking, neither raiders nor defenders have any respect for retaggers. Retagging is just raiding and then acting like it was defending.


I'm aware of what retagging is. Point is, this wasn't intended to be a retag, merely a liberation/detag. This case was unique in that we didn't have diplomatic relations with the region, so we didn't know their past appearance. I'd also like to point out that Lily retags some regions raided by the Black Hawks.

Also, I don't much care if raiders or defenders respect us, and I'll make sure that, by this time next year, they do.

I meant no disrespect, I am only trying to give you advice. Many sapling defender organizations start off retagging and learn GP etiquette over time. Now that I'm off mobile I can link you to Thou Shalt Not Retag: 10 Commandments of Detagging. There are several useful (though potentially outdated) tools for detagging regions in it. If there are any more modern detagging tools that I am unaware of I'm sure a defender will eventually post them for you.
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Postby Klorgia1 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:03 pm

V A N Q U A R I A wrote:Lol what happens if the founder comes online?


They came on, clicked a poll, and left early on.
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Postby Klorgia1 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:05 pm

As far as our war goes, if you're a native of a liberated region, please, come and retake it! We won't fight. And in some regions (like Omnia) we have helped rebuild what once was. As far as when a region is National Socialist, its is a little bit more of a raid, yes. When we raid, we'll always have a reason.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:20 pm

Eumaeus wrote:
Rebels and Saints wrote:
I'm aware of what retagging is. Point is, this wasn't intended to be a retag, merely a liberation/detag. This case was unique in that we didn't have diplomatic relations with the region, so we didn't know their past appearance. I'd also like to point out that Lily retags some regions raided by the Black Hawks.

Also, I don't much care if raiders or defenders respect us, and I'll make sure that, by this time next year, they do.

I meant no disrespect, I am only trying to give you advice. Many sapling defender organizations start off retagging and learn GP etiquette over time. Now that I'm off mobile I can link you to Thou Shalt Not Retag: 10 Commandments of Detagging. There are several useful (though potentially outdated) tools for detagging regions in it. If there are any more modern detagging tools that I am unaware of I'm sure a defender will eventually post them for you.


Eh, a bit strict for me.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:20 pm

I f they want to rebuild their region, they can come back. In fact, we invite them to.
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Postby Gorundu » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:52 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Eumaeus wrote:I meant no disrespect, I am only trying to give you advice. Many sapling defender organizations start off retagging and learn GP etiquette over time. Now that I'm off mobile I can link you to Thou Shalt Not Retag: 10 Commandments of Detagging. There are several useful (though potentially outdated) tools for detagging regions in it. If there are any more modern detagging tools that I am unaware of I'm sure a defender will eventually post them for you.


Eh, a bit strict for me.

Well, it's unfortunate that you're refusing well-intentioned advice from an experienced raider, and refusing to use accepted terminology. Regardless, your operation is at best intended to be a detagging, and certainly not a liberation.
Rebels and Saints wrote:I'd also like to point out that Lily retags some regions raided by the Black Hawks.

Lily tags regions by the hundreds, I doubt they care who was in there before. And they don't claim to have liberated the region either.
Rebels and Saints wrote:We've got more in store. Just you wait.

More retagging that you pretend to be "liberations", or more actual liberations/detagging?
Rebels and Saints wrote:Also, I don't much care if raiders or defenders respect us, and I'll make sure that, by this time next year, they do.

Well, I hope you change your ways to earn that respect.
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