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Integralist Canada wrote:I think you are confused. I am not a racialist or a racist. I sent that link because two people were arguing that "racialism" was not a word. Your quotes from my argument do not contradict any argument that I have made. I was saying that I used the word racialism to distinguish from the word racism since the modern definition of racism refers to discrimination which is completely different from Social Darwinism. I do not agree with Social Darwinism. Obviously you did not read my factbook.

TIC: "We're not racists! There's a difference between racism and racialism."

Also TIC: "I never said we were racialists, you totally misread that."

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I don't have the screenshots of your dispatch pre-edit, so OK, you didn't say you're racialists. Personally, though, I would choose another way to describe something I'm not than to make such a vehement case that it's so very different from something I'm trying to claim I hate even more. Doing it the way you did sure sounds like you're in favor.

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[quote=Dispatch]the word “Racialism" is indeed a term. Actually it is more accurate to use that term rather than “Racist" since Racism can refer to any sort of discrimination, hateful or not, which is very distinct from those who actually believe in Social Darwinist, Racial views, which we both hate.[/quote]

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[quote=Dispatch]the word “Racialism" is indeed a term. Actually it is more accurate to use that term rather than “Racist" since Racism can refer to any sort of discrimination, hateful or not, which is very distinct from those who actually believe in Social Darwinist, Racial views, which we both hate.[/quote]

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[quote="Dispatch"]the word “Racialism" is indeed a term. Actually it is more accurate to use that term rather than “Racist" since Racism can refer to any sort of discrimination, hateful or not, which is very distinct from those who actually believe in Social Darwinist, Racial views, which we both hate.[/quote]

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Dispatch wrote:the word “Racialism" is indeed a term. Actually it is more accurate to use that term rather than “Racist" since Racism can refer to any sort of discrimination, hateful or not, which is very distinct from those who actually believe in Social Darwinist, Racial views, which we both hate.

The Iron Confederacy, for truth and justice!

So this is what's happening so far: 1) Integralist Canada exposed a dirty conspiracy that was being led by Cicero, to control The Iron Confederacy, at least on an interregional and military level, in where he planned to directly disrupt the alliances of the region and slander its friends. 2) the mods removed Canada for accesing to his puppets even though Cicero willingly and knowingly gave the passwords to him. 3) the mods are going against the site rules and enforcing some *new* rules that do not exist, to persecute Canada for actions that are permitted completely, according to the rules, this is hilariously referred as: your government being couped. 4) the mods also removed the initial dispatch of Canada even though it didn't have any content worthy of being banned, at least if you don't consider being against antifa and exposing his plans to be a worthy of banning issue. 5) Integralist Canada deserves to be rightfully restored and this corruption must be recognized at any moment.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1248294

New French Etat wrote:The Iron Confederacy, for truth and justice!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1248294

Where's the "innocence" part in that dispatch? It seems like the fellow's just trying to pull excuses as to why he thinks nation-stealing is justifying, but that doesn't mean he didn't break the rules. I don't see the unfair or unjust part either

Gagium wrote:

New French Etat wrote:The Iron Confederacy, for truth and justice!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1248294

Where's the "innocence" part in that dispatch? It seems like the fellow's just trying to pull excuses as to why he thinks nation-stealing is justifying, but that doesn't mean he didn't break the rules. I don't see the unfair or unjust part either

He didn't break the rules, you don't know how to read? There's all the evidence you need. NS rules clearly state that nation-sharing is a risky thing because they won't do anything in case of someone taking the account for himself, that's all Canada did, he didn't break the rules. Nation-stealing in the situation of nation-sharing it's something that is justified? We aren't discussing that. It's morally correct? We aren't discussing that either. It goes against the rules? No, it doesn't. Are the mods being biased and looking at the traitor's version of things first before analyzing the situation rationally and justly? Yes, they are.

NS rules:

"It is against the rules to hijack someone else's nation, and if we see someone do it, we'll ban them. If we don't see it happen, though, and someone changes your password and e-mail address, I'm afraid you're on your own. As far as the game is concerned, your government has been overthrown in a coup

New French Etat wrote:

Gagium wrote:Where's the "innocence" part in that dispatch? It seems like the fellow's just trying to pull excuses as to why he thinks nation-stealing is justifying, but that doesn't mean he didn't break the rules. I don't see the unfair or unjust part either

He didn't break the rules, you don't know how to read? There's all the evidence you need. NS rules clearly state that nation-sharing is a risky thing because they won't do anything in case of someone taking the account for himself, that's all Canada did, he didn't break the rules. Nation-stealing in the situation of nation-sharing it's something that is justified? We aren't discussing that. It's morally correct? We aren't discussing that either. It goes against the rules? No, it doesn't. Are the mods being biased and looking at the traitor's version of things first before analyzing the situation rationally and justly? Yes, they are.

"How didn't he break the rules?"

"He didn't break the rules"

...No. This guy made a dispatch literally admitting to stealing nations by passguessing them (correctly) and then changing the email and password. That's very clearly against the rules. The rules super-clearly state "Stealing someone else's nation by gaining their password...is likely to result in a permanent ban". I'm amused that, instead of taking the L and being glad he didn't get perma-banned, he's literally accusing the moderator who banned him of actually being this Cicero boogeyman.

"NS rules clearly state that nation-sharing is a risky thing because they won't do anything in case of someone taking the account for himself" The nations he took weren't shared nations, to my understanding. That's something he very clearly stated in his original dispatch - That they belonged to this Cicero person (solely) and he stole them and made them his own.

Now. Where's the part of his dispatch that proves his 'innocence'?

Before the "Mods r corrupt!" wailing gets too wound up:
There is no magic "new rule" being applied. Dude gained access to nations he was not authorized to access. He then stole those nations. Our evidence on the backend matched up with his confession of the thefts. In other words, we saw it. "If we don't see it happen" essentially means "If you've shared the nation before and you have muddied the trail to the point we can't tell if it was actually compromised" or "You left your nation logged in on a device and someone got into it from your computer so we have no way to verify that there was any unauthorized access."

Now, moderation matters do not belong in the Gameplay forum. Your regionmate has already followed up via the proper channels. Let's get back onto the topic of your region, and take the moderation matters to their appropriate venues.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:

Integralist Canada wrote:
TIC: "We're not racists! There's a difference between racism and racialism."

Also TIC: "I never said we were racialists, you totally misread that."

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I don't have the screenshots of your dispatch pre-edit, so OK, you didn't say you're racialists. Personally, though, I would choose another way to describe something I'm not than to make such a vehement case that it's so very different from something I'm trying to claim I hate even more. Doing it the way you did sure sounds like you're in favor.

Wow, looks like Reds really can’t read. You can’t read the rules of NationStates which state that mods are not supposed to ban nations for taking a shared account, and you also can’t read a simple dispatch that says we are not racialists. The reason I was using the word racialist instead of racist is because Progressive Liberals have changed the meaning of the word to mean any sort of discrimination, small (whitey afraid to go in Black neighborhood) or big, good (Chinese being good at math) or bad. My use of the word racialism was a form of protest to counteract the popular misuse of the word which has been used as a silencing tactic to oppress people. Slavery is bad, the Holocaust was bad, Social Darwinism is bad, the KKK are bad, the Nazis were bad. I put that in bold so you would not miss it. Now please don’t make me cringe hard the next time you respond. Okay?

Gagium wrote:

New French Etat wrote:[quot"

Now. Where's the part of his dispatch that proves his 'innocence'?

Reploid Productions wrote:Before the "Mods r corrupt!" wailing gets too wound up:
There is no magic "new rule" being applied. Dude gained access to nations he was not authorized to access. He then stole those nations. Our evidence on the backend matched up with his confession of the thefts. In other words, we saw it. "If we don't see it happen" essentially means "If you've shared the nation before and you have muddied the trail to the point we can't tell if it was actually compromised" or "You left your nation logged in on a device and someone got into it from your computer so we have no way to verify that there was any unauthorized access."
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The first half of my dispatch literally disproves everything that you just said. 1. I was given permission to use all of his accounts 2. Cicero told me that he was leaving NS for good 3. Cicero denied owning those accounts when I confronted him, and still denies owning them by the way. All the evidence for this is in my dispatch which means that I am innocent. This is not a hijacking issue or a hacking issue. This is an issue regarding shared accounts. Plus in the dispatch that I wrote I was Roleplaying. My region, TIC, both role plays for international events, and debates and discusses real life politics and economics. Technically you could say that they were not Cicero’s accounts. We don’t know whose they are. That was just my assumption. After all he did deny owning them. Play your beaurocratic games all you want. The end result is that this is not a reason for mods to delete my account.

You might be interested to know that the region that came before TIC, The Iron Order, has been captured by yours truly. Both were founded by Hispanyo.

And TIC's Delegacy is now in the very safe hands of Maddie, with a nice (if somewhat garish) Antifa WFE. Time to light up the flamethrowers, this place is getting torched.

Congratulations to your new Delegate! I approve of the colourful WFE.

May it live forever.

Roavin wrote:And TIC's Delegacy is now in the very safe hands of Maddie, with a nice (if somewhat garish) Antifa WFE. Time to light up the flamethrowers, this place is getting torched.

You guys are literally destroying regional communities. I am anti-fascist however this is not at all the way to stop this. Civil Defense Siren is spam, you literally raided a region founded by a Jewish player on the grounds of it being a National Socialist region, and you have a North Korea aligned region on your side. And yet you consistently claim you are in the right, despite you just throwing away years of RMB discussion and roleplay.

You claim to protect democracy, then actively attempt to destroy every opposing ideology but your own. Funny how that works.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Roavin wrote:And TIC's Delegacy is now in the very safe hands of Maddie, with a nice (if somewhat garish) Antifa WFE. Time to light up the flamethrowers, this place is getting torched.

You guys are literally destroying regional communities. I am anti-fascist however this is not at all the way to stop this. Civil Defense Siren is spam, you literally raided a region founded by a Jewish player on the grounds of it being a National Socialist region, and you have a North Korea aligned region on your side. And yet you consistently claim you are in the right, despite you just throwing away years of RMB discussion and roleplay.

You claim to protect democracy, then actively attempt to destroy every opposing ideology but your own. Funny how that works.

Considering we had adherents of every ideology from anarcho-communism to liberal democracy to Marxism-Leninism to libertarian capitalism to constitutional monarchy running in this op, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on your entire post. TRF and your scary boogeyman KPA jumped alongside at least one player from RtL (FCN, even?). The only victims here deserved it, richly. The salt coming out of fascist players (plus you, apparently) could remake the Pacific into the Dead Sea.

In point of fact, this was a unification of disparate players and interests from across the game as well as nearly the entire political spectrum, who all came together despite our many differences to crush an unacceptable and murderous ideology in one of its former strongholds. It was inspiring to see. Good work, everyone. I am proud today to call you all "comrade."

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:You guys are literally destroying regional communities. I am anti-fascist however this is not at all the way to stop this. Civil Defense Siren is spam, you literally raided a region founded by a Jewish player on the grounds of it being a National Socialist region, and you have a North Korea aligned region on your side. And yet you consistently claim you are in the right, despite you just throwing away years of RMB discussion and roleplay.

You claim to protect democracy, then actively attempt to destroy every opposing ideology but your own. Funny how that works.

Considering we had adherents of every ideology from anarcho-communism to liberal democracy to Marxism-Leninism to libertarian capitalism to constitutional monarchy running in this op, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on your entire post. TRF and your scary boogeyman KPA jumped alongside at least one player from RtL (FCN, even?). The only victims here deserved it, richly. The salt coming out of fascist players (plus you, apparently) could remake the Pacific into the Dead Sea.

In point of fact, this was a unification of disparate players and interests from across the game as well as nearly the entire political spectrum, who all came together despite our many differences to crush an unacceptable and murderous ideology in one of its former strongholds. It was inspiring to see. Good work, everyone. I am proud today to call you all "comrade."

First off; I ain't fascist. I said explicitly that I was anti-fascist. You guys are even calling anti-fascists fascists now, as long as they disagree with ANTIFA?

Second, I legit have no idea what you are talking about with all those acronyms, except FCN. I used to have a puppet in FCN until I decided to take it to a graveyard region. However you have far-leftist radicals on your side. Both far-left and far-right, are terrible.

Also note that fascism isn't the only "unacceptable and murderous" ideology. Your far-left allies have equally an unacceptable and murderous ideology.

We all knew this region was going to fall eventually.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Roavin wrote:And TIC's Delegacy is now in the very safe hands of Maddie, with a nice (if somewhat garish) Antifa WFE. Time to light up the flamethrowers, this place is getting torched.

You guys are literally destroying regional communities. I am anti-fascist however this is not at all the way to stop this. Civil Defense Siren is spam, you literally raided a region founded by a Jewish player on the grounds of it being a National Socialist region, and you have a North Korea aligned region on your side. And yet you consistently claim you are in the right, despite you just throwing away years of RMB discussion and roleplay.

You claim to protect democracy, then actively attempt to destroy every opposing ideology but your own. Funny how that works.

We are keeping this a secret, but I believe you guys need to know. Kim Jong-Un personally coordinated this raid.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:
Considering we had adherents of every ideology from anarcho-communism to liberal democracy to Marxism-Leninism to libertarian capitalism to constitutional monarchy running in this op, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on your entire post. TRF and your scary boogeyman KPA jumped alongside at least one player from RtL (FCN, even?). The only victims here deserved it, richly. The salt coming out of fascist players (plus you, apparently) could remake the Pacific into the Dead Sea.

In point of fact, this was a unification of disparate players and interests from across the game as well as nearly the entire political spectrum, who all came together despite our many differences to crush an unacceptable and murderous ideology in one of its former strongholds. It was inspiring to see. Good work, everyone. I am proud today to call you all "comrade."

First off; I ain't fascist. I said explicitly that I was anti-fascist. You guys are even calling anti-fascists fascists now, as long as they disagree with ANTIFA?

You’ll note he specifically said “(plus you, apparently)” and didn’t call you a fascist, if you take the time to read it carefully.

Second, I legit have no idea what you are talking about with all those acronyms, except FCN. I used to have a puppet in FCN until I decided to take it to a graveyard region. However you have far-leftist radicals on your side. Both far-left and far-right, are terrible.

Your problem you don’t know these acronyms. As for “far-left”, remember the part regarding “multitude of ideologies”?

Also note that fascism isn't the only "unacceptable and murderous" ideology. Your far-left allies have equally an unacceptable and murderous ideology.

I’m not going to go over the “BUT DAH COMMIES” argument because I don’t feel like it. Overall, I’m not sure why you decided “okay a large fascist region has fallen, quick, let me bash the ones bashing the large fascist region!” I’d say, be happy the fascist region fell.

Armaros wrote:

First off; I ain't fascist. I said explicitly that I was anti-fascist. You guys are even calling anti-fascists fascists now, as long as they disagree with ANTIFA?

You’ll note he specifically said “(plus you, apparently)” and didn’t call you a fascist, if you take the time to read it carefully.

Darn you ninja'd me on pointing this out.

Also note that fascism isn't the only "unacceptable and murderous" ideology. Your far-left allies have equally an unacceptable and murderous ideology.

I’m not going to go over the “BUT DAH COMMIES” argument because I don’t feel like it. Overall, I’m not sure why you decided “okay a large fascist region has fallen, quick, let me bash the ones bashing the large fascist region!” I’d say, be happy the fascist region fell.

I'm laughing right now because I'm picturing some guy standing in the middle of the celebration in Times Square on VE-Day telling people "But the Allies let the Soviets join, so aren't we the real bad guys?"

-Ocelot- wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:You guys are literally destroying regional communities. I am anti-fascist however this is not at all the way to stop this. Civil Defense Siren is spam, you literally raided a region founded by a Jewish player on the grounds of it being a National Socialist region, and you have a North Korea aligned region on your side. And yet you consistently claim you are in the right, despite you just throwing away years of RMB discussion and roleplay.

You claim to protect democracy, then actively attempt to destroy every opposing ideology but your own. Funny how that works.

We are keeping this a secret, but I believe you guys need to know. Kim Jong-Un personally coordinated this raid.

I knew it.

I am of the opinion that the best way to halt fascism, is to isolate them. Help defend regions that are being raided by fascists. However I don't think it's good to destroy regional communities. I feel like the majority of the regions that you guys target are actually fascist roleplay regions. They aren't actually fascists. I recognize that some regions you target actually are harboring players with legitimate fascist beliefs, however other regions you guys "lock up" are just RP regions, and by targeting it you are taking away RP that took a very long time to write, to ashes.

Armaros wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:First off; I ain't fascist. I said explicitly that I was anti-fascist. You guys are even calling anti-fascists fascists now, as long as they disagree with ANTIFA?

You’ll note he specifically said “(plus you, apparently)” and didn’t call you a fascist, if you take the time to read it carefully.

Second, I legit have no idea what you are talking about with all those acronyms, except FCN. I used to have a puppet in FCN until I decided to take it to a graveyard region. However you have far-leftist radicals on your side. Both far-left and far-right, are terrible.

Your problem you don’t know these acronyms. As for “far-left”, remember the part regarding “multitude of ideologies”?

Also note that fascism isn't the only "unacceptable and murderous" ideology. Your far-left allies have equally an unacceptable and murderous ideology.

I’m not going to go over the “BUT DAH COMMIES” argument because I don’t feel like it. Overall, I’m not sure why you decided “okay a large fascist region has fallen, quick, let me bash the ones bashing the large fascist region!” I’d say, be happy the fascist region fell.

I appear to have misread the quote, and I am sorry. Lyrical Individual Brigades didn't call me a fascist. However your coalition harbors commies which are just as bad as fascists if not worse.

Great Algerstonia wrote:I feel like the majority of the regions that you guys target are actually fascist roleplay regions. They aren't actually fascists.

Let me share with you a quote from “Bash the Fash!” Anti-Fascist Action in NationStates (a publication of The Red & Black, the interregional news & editorial paper of NSLeft) :

There is a frequent argument raised in Gameplay by players who are unfamiliar with this anti-fascist struggle that the "fascists" and "Nazis" that inhabit fascist and Nazi-themed regions are just roleplaying and are not fascists outside of NationStates. There is no mistaking that these regions are in fact inhabited by true Nazis, some of whom deny the Holocaust and spend their time arguing the finer points of National Socialist race theory. Any non-fascist players who inhabit these regions that accept this discussion without rebuttal are just as guilty as the players posting it.

Emphasis mine.

Great Algerstonia wrote:However your coalition harbors commies which are just as bad as fascists if not worse.

Objectively incorrect. The coalition doesn't "harbor" commies, commies are part of the coalition just like everyone else. Commies are also objectively not worse than fascists, especially NS commies, most of them who treasure democracy and freedoms, and who only want people like you to understand that communism isn't an evil ideology, and is nowhere near comparable to fascism.

Great Algerstonia wrote:However your coalition harbors commies which are just as bad as fascists if not worse.

And grass is green, water is wet, etc, etc, etc..... Who cares. Their founder fucked up, got banned and lost. That's what it comes down to. People want to play edgelord, they can reap what they sow.

East Meranopirus wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:However your coalition harbors commies which are just as bad as fascists if not worse.

Objectively incorrect. The coalition doesn't "harbor" commies, commies are part of the coalition just like everyone else. Commies are also objectively not worse than fascists, especially NS commies, most of them who treasure democracy and freedoms, and who only want people like you to understand that communism isn't an evil ideology, and is nowhere near comparable to fascism.

Except the tankies in the coalition, especially the ones whom reside in North Korea