NationStates

KhanterWinters wrote:

Slitherin Snakes wrote:I am sorry Vult

Nope, First Lie, Snakes are never sorry,

That's scorpions...

Very disappointing that you hid Moneyness, Vult. You brought down yourself and probably the whole TRI. Hopefully you can be allowed back into most NS communities.

King HEM wrote:A lot of issues are getting conflated here, and I think it's worth focusing on the things that should get someone blacklisted from Nationstates: bigotry directed at other players and serious false OOC accusations.

People keep bringing up being a leaker and lumping that into that, but tbh I don't really care if someone is leaking? That's apart of the espionage in the game and should not be conflated with the other issues in my opinion.

Like many other behaviors, leaking can be part of the game, but it can also be taken too far. In this case, he did it because of the OOC matters you've referenced, so it's part and parcel of the problematic OOC behavior. You can't really separate the two when his OOC behavior is what drove the leaking.

I would imagine the reason leaking is being brought up more often is no one wants to get slapped with a Defamation warning from Moderation, even though anything they'd say wouldn't actually be defamatory because it would be 100% true, and could be backed up by hard evidence. That of course doesn't bother Moderation, they're fine with calling the truth lies and warning you for it if it will effectively silence discussions of bad OOC off-site behavior.

Slitherin Snakes wrote:Koth then in the rudest, meanest way possible told me I was done from TBH.

[3:59 PM] Brisko: Your Fire Nation WFEs are unacceptable. I can't have someone who takes any opportunity to antagonize our members have any place in our organization. The Council has tried time and time again, given you more chances than anyone we've ever given anyone in the past, to have you grow up. But that's a process you'll have to do on your own from now on.

Best of luck to you in your raiding career, and to Fire Nation. Remember that The Black Hawks are not your enemy, and it would be unwise to try to make one of us.

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Projection is not limited to movie theaters. And this, hopefully, is enough proof that this whole pile is bullshit is precisely that. Council keeps receipts, and as always, we welcome anyone who doubts us to come ask about them.

Not that it matters much, but if you can't even stop re-writing the past, you'll never be able to move on to the future.

Vult and others who hid Moneyness - frankly, I expected a lot better of all of you.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:What you are though is a homophobe, a leaker, and an all around jerk. You've dragged an otherwise good player (Vult) down with you in your scheming and deception. You're as poisonous as Block. Get lost.

Okay, pure curiosity here, but what is actually going on?

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:

Cormactopia Prime wrote:What you are though is a homophobe, a leaker, and an all around jerk. You've dragged an otherwise good player (Vult) down with you in your scheming and deception. You're as poisonous as Block. Get lost.

Okay, pure curiosity here, but what is actually going on?

I don't know, but if they're bringing their drama to a public forum then it's free entertainment for us. Want some popcorn?

Kaystein wrote:

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:
Okay, pure curiosity here, but what is actually going on?

I don't know, but if they're bringing their drama to a public forum then it's free entertainment for us. Want some popcorn?

Gladly. I just hope no ones feelings get hurt. I know this sounds so lame, but it really makes me sad when other peoples feelings are hurt.

Lets just all be nice to each other. Is it really all that hard?

Quite frankly I am disappointed in Vult, you probably don't know who I am or care for that matter, but I am disappointed. You have been around long enough to know better, if anyone else knew and did nothing I hope they will come forward and fess up as well. You should have known better and you have made an incredibly stupid mistake. I hope you use this opportunity to learn from your mistakes and come out of it a more sensible individual.

I'll admit, it is quite entertaining watching your enemies squabble among themselves.

I'll admit, it is quite entertaining watching your enemies squabble among themselves.

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Lets just all be nice to each other. Is it really all that hard?

That is an impossibility. It is something we will have to learn to live with.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:In this case, he did it because of the OOC matters you've referenced, so it's part and parcel of the problematic OOC behavior. You can't really separate the two when his OOC behavior is what drove the leaking.

I'm so tired of someone's off site behavior constantly being used as a weapon against them on site. Shit happens when humans interact online, not all of it good. You all talk a good game about ending toxicity in Gameplay, but are probably the main source of it.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:I would imagine the reason leaking is being brought up more often is no one wants to get slapped with a Defamation warning from Moderation, even though anything they'd say wouldn't actually be defamatory because it would be 100% true, and could be backed up by hard evidence. That of course doesn't bother Moderation, they're fine with calling the truth lies and warning you for it if it will effectively silence discussions of bad OOC off-site behavior.

I think the reason you were warned was because of bad on site behavior. You can't use off site grievances to justify what you said (regardless of the veracity of it). I personally think Moderation has been more than accommodating on this issue, but that's their prerogative. A line needed to be drawn imo.

Blight-Bane wrote:

Cormactopia Prime wrote:In this case, he did it because of the OOC matters you've referenced, so it's part and parcel of the problematic OOC behavior. You can't really separate the two when his OOC behavior is what drove the leaking.

I'm so tired of someone's off site behavior constantly being used as a weapon against them on site. Shit happens when humans interact online, not all of it good. You all talk a good game about ending toxicity in Gameplay, but are probably the main source of it.

This isn't 'using it as a weapon'. Go ahead and ask offsite where it can all be shared, look at the logs and everything else he did, and you will realize, this is nothing to do with using stuff as a weapon against them on site. This is keeping them out of the community both on and offsite because of very good reasons.

Raionitu wrote:

Blight-Bane wrote:I'm so tired of someone's off site behavior constantly being used as a weapon against them on site. Shit happens when humans interact online, not all of it good. You all talk a good game about ending toxicity in Gameplay, but are probably the main source of it.

This isn't 'using it as a weapon'. Go ahead and ask offsite where it can all be shared, look at the logs and everything else he did, and you will realize, this is nothing to do with using stuff as a weapon against them on site. This is keeping them out of the community both on and offsite because of very good reasons.

I mean there are certainly it's reasons behind it. At the same time, this seems what NSGP only seems to do lately... Purely safeguarding the community and rarely playing the damn game.

Raionitu wrote:

Blight-Bane wrote:I'm so tired of someone's off site behavior constantly being used as a weapon against them on site. Shit happens when humans interact online, not all of it good. You all talk a good game about ending toxicity in Gameplay, but are probably the main source of it.

This isn't 'using it as a weapon'. Go ahead and ask offsite where it can all be shared, look at the logs and everything else he did, and you will realize, this is nothing to do with using stuff as a weapon against them on site. This is keeping them out of the community both on and offsite because of very good reasons.

I honestly don't care what he did. I don't interact with him at all. Since when did you all become the protectors of the community? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take my chances with Moderation.

Kurnugia wrote:

Raionitu wrote:This isn't 'using it as a weapon'. Go ahead and ask offsite where it can all be shared, look at the logs and everything else he did, and you will realize, this is nothing to do with using stuff as a weapon against them on site. This is keeping them out of the community both on and offsite because of very good reasons.

I mean there are certainly it's reasons behind it. At the same time, this seems what NSGP only seems to do lately... Purely safeguarding the community and rarely playing the damn game.

Well, we do still raid, but that’s hard when update has been borked more often than not for a month now /shrug. Can’t speak for defenders tho.

Blight-Bane wrote:

Raionitu wrote:This isn't 'using it as a weapon'. Go ahead and ask offsite where it can all be shared, look at the logs and everything else he did, and you will realize, this is nothing to do with using stuff as a weapon against them on site. This is keeping them out of the community both on and offsite because of very good reasons.

I honestly don't care what he did. I don't interact with him at all. Since when did you all become the protectors of the community? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take my chances with Moderation.

Moderation literally will not protect you, or anyone else, from bad behavior off-site. So that's not a solution, at all.

Blight-Bane wrote:

Raionitu wrote:This isn't 'using it as a weapon'. Go ahead and ask offsite where it can all be shared, look at the logs and everything else he did, and you will realize, this is nothing to do with using stuff as a weapon against them on site. This is keeping them out of the community both on and offsite because of very good reasons.

I honestly don't care what he did. I don't interact with him at all. Since when did you all become the protectors of the community? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take my chances with Moderation.

With all due respect, stay in your lane, fenda. Enough with the moral pretenses. Banning Money created a safer space for vulnerable members of our community, and you wanting to go after Cormac for "omg so toxic" doesn't change that. I sincerely hope Money decides to infiltrate the North Pacific next, if you're really so skeptical about our reasons.

Edit: I've been told your attitude is unpleasant in TNP as well. Perhaps not the best example. My apologies to TNP, I never meant to imply that TNP supported this guy's opinions.

Blight-Bane wrote:

Raionitu wrote:This isn't 'using it as a weapon'. Go ahead and ask offsite where it can all be shared, look at the logs and everything else he did, and you will realize, this is nothing to do with using stuff as a weapon against them on site. This is keeping them out of the community both on and offsite because of very good reasons.

I honestly don't care what he did. I don't interact with him at all. Since when did you all become the protectors of the community? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take my chances with Moderation.

"You're not a mod, how dare you ban him from your own region that he was harmful to." If you don't care what he did, why do you care what we do?

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:

Kurnugia wrote:I mean there are certainly it's reasons behind it. At the same time, this seems what NSGP only seems to do lately... Purely safeguarding the community and rarely playing the damn game.

Well, we do still raid, but that’s hard when update has been borked more often than not for a month now /shrug. Can’t speak for defenders tho.

I am more talking about the high profile stuff. The last big confrontation was like St Abby.

EDIT: I don't consider OOC raids so to speak like fashbash and other "Casus Belli" related to be anything but NS itself to be normal GP.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Moderation literally will not protect you, or anyone else, from bad behavior off-site. So that's not a solution, at all.

I'm not worried about that. I don't need protection. I can easily log off.

Cataluna wrote:With all due respect, stay in your lane, fenda. Enough with the moral pretenses. Banning Money created a safer space for vulnerable members of our community, and you wanting to go after Cormac for "omg so toxic" doesn't change that. I sincerely hope Money decides to infiltrate the North Pacific next, if you're really so skeptical about our reasons.

Edit: I've been told your attitude is unpleasant in TNP as well. Perhaps not the best example. My apologies to TNP, I never meant to imply that TNP supported this guy's opinions.

I for real laughed at that. What makes you think I give a rat's ass about TNP? My original nation was founded there, so I just keep it there for the stats. The funny thing is, Money was an up and coming raider at one time. So he betrayed your trust? Boo hoo. It's not like any of you have ever done that. But, by all means, police people's thoughts and actions off site. I know it makes you feel like you're working for the greater good.

Blight-Bane wrote:I for real laughed at that. What makes you think I give a rat's ass about TNP? My original nation was founded there, so I just keep it there for the stats. The funny thing is, Money was an up and coming raider at one time. So he betrayed your trust? Boo hoo. It's not like any of you have ever done that. But, by all means, police people's thoughts and actions off site. I know it makes you feel like you're working for the greater good.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I only just came back from the dead and am relying on hearsay, but didn't the betrayal come after the decision to ban him?

Blight-Bane wrote:

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Moderation literally will not protect you, or anyone else, from bad behavior off-site. So that's not a solution, at all.

I'm not worried about that. I don't need protection. I can easily log off.

Cataluna wrote:With all due respect, stay in your lane, fenda. Enough with the moral pretenses. Banning Money created a safer space for vulnerable members of our community, and you wanting to go after Cormac for "omg so toxic" doesn't change that. I sincerely hope Money decides to infiltrate the North Pacific next, if you're really so skeptical about our reasons.

Edit: I've been told your attitude is unpleasant in TNP as well. Perhaps not the best example. My apologies to TNP, I never meant to imply that TNP supported this guy's opinions.

I for real laughed at that. What makes you think I give a rat's ass about TNP? My original nation was founded there, so I just keep it there for the stats. The funny thing is, Money was an up and coming raider at one time. So he betrayed your trust? Boo hoo. It's not like any of you have ever done that. But, by all means, police people's thoughts and actions off site. I know it makes you feel like you're working for the greater good.

I don’t give a shit about raids lol. I care that he was objectively nasty to Siniarus and Jay, not to mention his actions against Koth. Wanting to improve our community by banning certain people who really should not be here is none of your business. When our friends are being attacked, our response is not to log off. I know fendas have long since thrown away the ideals of moralism, but this reeks of an apathy due to us being raiders. We’re not trying to work for the greater good, we’re working to make our community a safer space. You’re not and will never be a part of it, so you can get the fuck out if you have a problem with it.

<3 Liz

Cataluna wrote:I don’t give a shit about raids lol. I care that he was objectively nasty to Siniarus and Jay, not to mention his actions against Koth. Wanting to improve our community by banning certain people who really should not be here is none of your business.

Seriously? You're defending this shit by saying he dissed my friends?

Cataluna wrote:You’re not and will never be a part of it, so you can get the fuck out if you have a problem with it.

I'll live. Umm.. btw, this isn't off site so you can't tell me to fuck off and it will suddenly happen.

Blight-Bane wrote:

Cataluna wrote:I don’t give a shit about raids lol. I care that he was objectively nasty to Siniarus and Jay, not to mention his actions against Koth. Wanting to improve our community by banning certain people who really should not be here is none of your business.

Seriously? You're defending this shit by saying he dissed my friends?

Yeah pretty much? What are you going to do about it? Call us meanies?
Come on, you know that doesn’t work. You’ve been on here far too long lol.

I'll live. Umm.. btw, this isn't off site so you can't tell me to fuck off and it will suddenly happen.

And? You do understand that “fuck off” is meant as much as a dismissive statement as it is a command?
Edit: I apologize. It appears you can’t quite understand the underlying message of what I’m saying here. I don’t mean to disparage people if there’s a legitimate misunderstanding. If you’d like to hit me up on discord at @Antigone#2005, I’d be more than happy to explain in detail what Money did and why he’s banned.