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Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:06 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:I am frankly quite disgusted by this whole situation.

A player wants a fresh start after getting a ban for ‘talking with raiders’ (lets be honest, moralism is six feet in the grave, and indie orgs are allowed in, so this makes zero sense),

I'm pretty sure that's not what happened. Crystalsummer had been earlier removed from Libcord because among other things he was raiding with Alpha Wolf and he was behind a couple of sketchy refounding attempts that feigned native support but didn't actually have it (including one in Greece that involved multiing by some participants) as well as the attempt to take over South Pacific.
Keep in mind that Libcord is a military server: it doesn't have a duty to be an open community, or to limit bans to people who are OOC-dangerous. People who aren't strictly and solely defenders are allowed in the server... but only if they aren't security liabilities (which includes not being deceitful and not trying to exploit your access).

I'm not commenting on the new situation, but when talking about facts, stick to what you know.
He wanted a fresh start, perhaps, because he had accumulated a bit of a poor reputation. It wasn't for "talking with raiders", which no-one would've cared about and much less TEP's leadership.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 10:36 am**

RiderSyl wrote:While TEP did kinda mishandle this one, I've got no sympathy. Don't pretend to be a woman.

TEP seems to like mishandling things lately...

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 12:53 pm**

Opstan wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:While TEP did kinda mishandle this one, I've got no sympathy. Don't pretend to be a woman.

TEP seems to like mishandling things lately...

Care to elaborate?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 1:11 pm**

Tim Stark wrote:
Opstan wrote:TEP seems to like mishandling things lately...

Care to elaborate?

Firstly there is the fact this thread exists.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 1:15 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Tim Stark wrote:Care to elaborate?

Firstly there is the fact this thread exists.

And yet, I feel like that can't be the salt from which Opstan's pillar is building

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 3:35 pm**

Tim Stark wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Firstly there is the fact this thread exists.

And yet, I feel like that can't be the salt from which Opstan's pillar is building

What are you trying to imply?

How about, instead of doing something pointless as interrogating a small-fry RMBer like Opstan, you focus on your own mistake and write a proper apology to Crystalsummer?

I don't think your half-assed apology saying "I didn't know that Fedele promised Crystalsummer respect" counts as an apology, or even an excuse!

(You two are in the same Cabinet, even. But still not an excuse.)

I am sure you believe in "ignorance doesn't excuse the crime" - well you blasted Crystalsummer without stopping to consider the impact on him, and without checking with literally anyone who DOESN'T give you lipservice or tell you "Tim before you blast someone, think about why it's a bad idea or how it would negatively affect that person, and whether there's a BETTER way to resolve the problem." Maybe if you HAD checked with the type of people who aren't afraid to stop you--
... BEFORE you do something loud and public that has a detrimental effect on another player, if you had checked with those other people, YOU WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT THE PROMISE FROM YOUR REGION TO RESPECT CRYSTALSUMMER'S PRIVACY IN THE FIRST PLACE. I hope you learn to find people who will hold you accountable, and to actually USE/confide to them, and to LISTEN to them.

I initially wrote a long rant but I don't want to blast you =P if you think this is harsh, it's not, it's just advice. I could have been veeery harsh. I deleted it all because you deserve better. Be well, and take care

(But personally though, I think - if without that promise made - that this announcement would have been fine if you emphasized that he didn't do anything OOC malicious. Most people need that emphasis otherwise that's where rumors come from.)

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 4:05 pm**

I spoke with Crystalsummer over DM and apologized. He said he wanted the matter forgotten and moved on from. That's why I've been ignoring the thread, to let the matter die, which I'd been doing quite succesfully until your lot dragged it back up.

Maybe drop it too then, eh?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 4:35 pm**

Tim Stark wrote:I spoke with Crystalsummer over DM and apologized. He said he wanted the matter forgotten and moved on from. That's why I've been ignoring the thread, to let the matter die, which I'd been doing quite succesfully until your lot dragged it back up.

Maybe drop it too then, eh?

My bad, sorry, I didn't have the idea that you did that. Sometimes I doubt people too much, but I have no reason to disbelieve you so this is my wrong. You do deserve better.
I will ask Op to ignore Gameplay forums (I actually was on hiatus from NationStates/internet for a week (this week actually) so I've been out of the loop on what yuno members do. But since this matter is resolved between you guys, let's let this thread die.

Anyway, to clarify, Opstan doesn't have issues with you (I doubt you two even ever messaged each other), I believe his problem is with TEP administration. You're fine so don't take it as salt towards you. Apologies from here and take good care.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 10:22 pm**

Tim Stark wrote:I spoke with Crystalsummer over DM and apologized. He said he wanted the matter forgotten and moved on from. That's why I've been ignoring the thread, to let the matter die, which I'd been doing quite succesfully until your lot dragged it back up.

Maybe drop it too then, eh?

Have you unbanned Crystal from Libcord?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 10:25 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Tim Stark wrote:I spoke with Crystalsummer over DM and apologized. He said he wanted the matter forgotten and moved on from. That's why I've been ignoring the thread, to let the matter die, which I'd been doing quite succesfully until your lot dragged it back up.

Maybe drop it too then, eh?

Have you unbanned Crystal from Libcord?

Isn't that a separate matter from TEP and belongs elsewhere?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 11:30 pm**

Wabbitslayah wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Have you unbanned Crystal from Libcord?

Isn't that a separate matter from TEP and belongs elsewhere?

I believe it is related to this, as it stemmed from Tims misunderstanding of this particular situation.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 11:37 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Wabbitslayah wrote:Isn't that a separate matter from TEP and belongs elsewhere?

I believe it is related to this, as it stemmed from Tims misunderstanding of this particular situation.

It wasn't Tim said the reason for the ban was that he was raiding and lied about it poorly on discord and fratt said similar on this thread

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 11:50 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Tim Stark wrote:I spoke with Crystalsummer over DM and apologized. He said he wanted the matter forgotten and moved on from. That's why I've been ignoring the thread, to let the matter die, which I'd been doing quite succesfully until your lot dragged it back up.

Maybe drop it too then, eh?

Have you unbanned Crystal from Libcord?

Do you even read threads you post in?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 11:53 pm**

Guys, Tim has already apologized to Crystalsummer, and got forgiven. Libcord is a private server by a defender anyway.
Let's move on

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 12:06 am**

Ah yes, a true display of sensitivity by our all powerful friend. The Confederation has come to expect nothing less from Tim Stark.

To the nation of Crystalsummer, we offer our condolences. If indeed you wish to put your espionage to the test, there's always a home for you within the Confederation. And don't be deceived: TEP's reigning government (one that should be considered illegitimate, no less) is not as moral as it would have everyone believe. Your actions, Crystalsummer, we are sure, are not nearly as controversial as those committed by others'.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 2:37 am**

Just what Crystalsummer needs. A fascist in his corner. :roll:

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 4:21 am**

Borovan entered the region as he wrote:It wasn't Tim said the reason for the ban was that he was raiding and lied about it poorly on discord and fratt said similar on this thread

It seems like you are misinformed. This ban isn't for that reason. Crystalsummer was banned from Libcord a couple of years ago for this reason and his ban was lifted last year. This ban is for another reason. Idk what it is though.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 4:25 am**

Gib Tl;dr plz

I didn't need a fucking essay just a TL;dr

I wasn't expecting a novel just a small message

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 4:34 am**

RiderSyl wrote:Just what Crystalsummer needs. A fascist in his corner.

Awww, it's a shame you can't see we're legitimate on this. But just keep playing your little fash card. It's doing wonders for regional growth.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 5:09 am**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:Have you unbanned Crystal from Libcord?

South Asians wrote:It seems like you are misinformed. This ban isn't for that reason. Crystalsummer was banned from Libcord a couple of years ago for this reason and his ban was lifted last year. This ban is for another reason. Idk what it is though.

The ban is for the same pattern of conduct as the time before: deception.
(1) Deceiving the natives of a founderless region (South Pacific) to evade a ban and be elected delegate is bad enough.
(2) Aside from the SP situation, we're still dealing with someone who kept a secret identity for over a year, in a region most of us have neutral or friendly relations with, for a reason as weak as "wanting a fresh reputation". It may be true that it was innocuous. It may not be true. I'll err on the side of safety since I have no reason to take his words in good faith given his past conduct, and I hope he accepts that.
(3) Since the ban was lifted Crystal's participation was minimal or non-existent, even when there were operations happening in Libcord and even when he was active in other servers as Wonder Woman. Maybe he doesn't need that access after all.

Jocospor wrote:But just keep playing your little fash card. It's doing wonders for regional growth.

Along with your love for throwing away as many stamps as possible.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 5:56 am**

Frattastan IV wrote:(3) Since the ban was lifted Crystal's participation was minimal or non-existent, even when there were operations happening in Libcord and even when he was active in other servers as Wonder Woman. Maybe he doesn't need that access after all.

He had his WA either in TEP (where he was a minister) or in SP (where he was the delegate). After resigning as the delegate of South Pacific he did participated in a Libcord op but got banned 12 hours later. He always wanted to stay active in Libcord though but his duties in SP and TEP made him unable to participate in the libcord (he joined TEP while he was banned from Libcord).

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 6:24 am**

South Asians wrote:
Frattastan IV wrote:(3) Since the ban was lifted Crystal's participation was minimal or non-existent, even when there were operations happening in Libcord and even when he was active in other servers as Wonder Woman. Maybe he doesn't need that access after all.

He had his WA either in TEP (where he was a minister) or in SP (where he was the delegate).

Yes, that's the point. He had his WA elsewhere with no member of his militaries knowing it, and pretended to be just 'busy' IRL instead.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 6:25 am**

Jocospor wrote:Awww, it's a shame you can't see we're legitimate on this.

Can't see it cuz you aren't

Jocospor wrote:But just keep playing your little fash card.

Your region publically boasted about how great it is at spreading fascism...
.. so yeah, I will keep playing that card.

Jocospor wrote:It's doing wonders for regional growth

You're not running into any shortage of fascists? On the internet? On NationStates? In 2019? Shocking.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 11:48 am**

Jocospor wrote:Ah yes, a true display of sensitivity by our all powerful friend. The Confederation has come to expect nothing less from Tim Stark.

To the nation of Crystalsummer, we offer our condolences. If indeed you wish to put your espionage to the test, there's always a home for you within the Confederation. And don't be deceived: TEP's reigning government (one that should be considered illegitimate, no less) is not as moral as it would have everyone believe. Your actions, Crystalsummer, we are sure, are not nearly as controversial as those committed by others'.

You seriously used this whole thing as an attempt to recruit someone? You’re just fine with taking advantage of someone that is potentially vulnerable in order to further your egotistical, selfish agendas?

The proud founder of The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators everybody. Always maintaining the region's values right there. >_>

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2019 12:58 pm**

Tim Stark wrote:
Opstan wrote:TEP seems to like mishandling things lately...

Care to elaborate?

I believe there to be no need to elaborate. Very simple in my reasoning, you should know.

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