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Postby The lepearchauns » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:43 pm

Wabbitslayah wrote:
The lepearchauns wrote:Crystalsummer

You were banned from South Pacific for attempting to coup the rightful government of the region. After this, you came to our region under an assumed identity to assume control. You betrayed the trust of everyone in our region and invalidated our entire government.

This cannot and will not be forgiven.

Now you force me to pick up the pieces after having many conversations with you stating exactly how much I wanted to avoid that

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What does that have to do with TEP?


They screwed us over in the fallout. TSummer was our delegate. They falsely represented themselves for a year as a representative of TEP when they had been banned from our region before for attempting to coup the elected government. Essentially using the false identity hin TEP to circumvent our ban and take over the region before abandoning us yesterday
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Postby Southern Bellz » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:54 pm

Tim Stark wrote:
Crystalsummer wrote:Thank you for your attention!

Can you not use garishly sized images. Thanks.


I am disappointed in this reaction to what comes off as a pretty sincere explanation and response. Especially after basically demanding a response both publicly and privately. You got this person to resign and apologize, you don't have to rub their face in it as well.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:55 pm

Southern Bellz wrote:
Tim Stark wrote:Can you not use garishly sized images. Thanks.


I am disappointed in this reaction to what comes off as a pretty sincere explanation and response. Especially after basically demanding a response both publicly and privately. You got this person to resign and apologize, you don't have to rub their face in it as well.

Remember, he got him to resign privately before all this, which was what was offered to him.
This whole thread is TEP rubbing his face in it, they shouldn't pretend it's anything more.

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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:01 pm

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Crystalsummer wrote:

Dear Nationstates, and the gaming community,

My name is Crystalaummer. I am the founder of The Free Nations Region. I have a huge confession to make. I went by the name Wonder Woman, and Mysterious Wonder. While I am not proud to admit this, I want to say I did not commit any malicious behavior. Wonder Woman was created back in August of 2017. Originally created as a role playing nation, it became even more when I got involved with the TEP community.
I played 2 nations and I kept them separate. I went completely inactive in my Crystalsummer identity, when I became Wonder Woman.
All my actions were exclusively in-character, not out-of-character. I did not make any OOC friends, I did not catfish anyone. I put 100% effort into my time in TEP. When I was the Minister of Immigration, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and an Arbiter, I did not try to coup the region. I worked all my extra time to benefit the TEP community, and give back to a region that gave me so much. On April 19, 2019, I decided that I would hide no longer. While I disappointed a lot of people, I want to say I am truly sorry for hiding who I really was. I have informed TEP and apologized for doing this, and I was told to quietly resign as a citizen of TEP or they will make this whole thing public. The fact that they allowed me to quietly resign as TEP citizen, without making this whole thing public, is because they did not deem me as an OOC threat. Because I am not. I did not make any OOC friends using Wonder Woman, I only vaguely alluded to being a college student studying Chemistry (which I am!)

I never catfished, or committed any malicious activity. I played the character and left it at that.
And Wonder Woman is a female Superhero from Marvel named Wonder Woman. I never said I was a girl in real life, but even if I said that, I don’t catfish, look for boyfriend, or anything shady. I NEVER befriended the same person with 2 identities (WonderWoman and Crystalsummer) to manipulate them. So no one was OOC manipulated by me.I did not join a region as a citizen using both WW and Crystalsummer.
I tried keeping both nation identities as separate as possible. For example, I used WonderWoman exclusively for regions. I never got citizenship for both WW and CrystalSummer in any 1 region.
The only “bad” OOC thing I have done, is play NS as a girl, but, in my opinion, GENDER does not matter. I never sought out boys or catfished boys.
I played as a Marvel Female Superhero, and acted entirely in-character, I didn’t commit malicious activity. I played the character and left it at that.
So please do not believe any OOC-related smear campaigns. Many people have infiltrated GCRs using a 2nd identity (some of them using female identities,) to try to coup that GCR. They got forgiven, without their reputations OOC ruined. I want you guys to know, I infiltrated a GCR using a 2nd identity, but I did not do anything malicious. I did not even plan to coup that GCR, nor did I want to. I earned my ranks ethically, and legitimately. The ONLY reason I used a 2nd identity to join that GCR, TEP, was because I was worried that my reputation was destroyed, because Defenders banned me from their Libcord Discord Server for hanging out with Raiders. I thought everyone hated me because of the Libcord-ban scenario, and I wanted to get involved in TEP but was afraid with my broken reputation, I’d be unable to do anything. I now understand that I was wrong, because I could have gotten the same ranks and positions, with my Crystalsummer identity. Now I understand that, it did not matter anywhere, that I had a bad reputation with Defenders for associating with Raiders, because TEP and other regions won’t care.
I apologize for my foolish mistake, and hope you forgive me, and accept me as both the Crystalsummer and WonderWoman nations. I mean no harm and I didn’t hurt anyone, since I didn’t make OOC friends using my other Wonder Woman account, I just did in-character government stuff. My last thing is this, I do want to thank all of the friends that I did make in SP, and TEP! Thank you for the opportunity I did have, and I want to say again I am sorry about I did. Please forgive me, and I hope someday I’ll be accepted in the community.

Thank you for your attention!

Umm...

Isn't Wonder Woman from DC?

Yeah she's DC, not marvel.
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Postby Castelia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:02 pm

Southern Bellz wrote:I am disappointed in this reaction to what comes off as a pretty sincere explanation and response. Especially after basically demanding a response both publicly and privately. You got this person to resign and apologize, you don't have to rub their face in it as well.


Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Remember, he got him to resign privately before all this, which was what was offered to him.
This whole thread is TEP rubbing his face in it, they shouldn't pretend it's anything more.


To be honest, Tim's entire statement and these sequence of events just comes off as an NSGP version of The Dark Knight Joker's "It's about sending a message" regarding what happens to people TEP doesn't like.

Or maybe that's just me.
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Postby The lepearchauns » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:03 pm

Perhaps my comments need a bit more context.

Might I also note that the quote below from the apology is a bad faced lie. Crystalsummer was banned from South Pacific for using the identity William T Sherman to attempt a coup in our region. A month or two later, they used the identity of Wonder Woman and the alias Mysterious Wonder to win an election in South Pacific to become delegate. A position they vacated as part of the fallout from TEP

"I did not join a region as a citizen using both WW and Crystalsummer."
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:09 pm

The lepearchauns wrote:Perhaps my comments need a bit more context.

Might I also note that the quote below from the apology is a bad faced lie. Crystalsummer was banned from South Pacific for using the identity William T Sherman to attempt a coup in our region. A month or two later, they used the identity of Wonder Woman and the alias Mysterious Wonder to win an election in South Pacific to become delegate. A position they vacated as part of the fallout from TEP

"I did not join a region as a citizen using both WW and Crystalsummer."

Wow, it's so terrible that he was a active and helpful contributor member of your region! He better not do that again.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:14 pm

The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
The lepearchauns wrote:Perhaps my comments need a bit more context.

Might I also note that the quote below from the apology is a bad faced lie. Crystalsummer was banned from South Pacific for using the identity William T Sherman to attempt a coup in our region. A month or two later, they used the identity of Wonder Woman and the alias Mysterious Wonder to win an election in South Pacific to become delegate. A position they vacated as part of the fallout from TEP

"I did not join a region as a citizen using both WW and Crystalsummer."

Wow, it's so terrible that he was a active and helpful contributor member of your region! He better not do that again.

Truly despicable. I'm surprised they didn't ban him earlier.

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Postby Ramaeus » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:38 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Just TEP under Fedele being TEP under Fedele. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.

Yeah, this.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:01 pm

I can only be disappointed in the government of TEP. They could have shown some class instead of this unnecessarily over-hyped non-scandal. If anything their actions come off as petty and brutish.
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Postby Neop » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:13 pm

You really gotta reach to have something interesting happen in NS these days, don't you?
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Postby ELfiNE » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:14 pm

Alright, personally, I don't care about how many aliases Wonder Woman has/had. If he's got baggage, sure, kick him. What's exceptionally poor in this scenario is how The East Pacific handled the situation.

Why were the promises made by Tim Stark and Fedele broken? It's understandable that high-ranked TEP positions need personnel that can be trusted, but why go the extra mile and get the whole region involved in avoidable and petty drama? This feels like a move that was done entirely out of spite. I mean, it literally looks like Tim was bullying WW in those logs.

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"Make it happen." <-- Look at the assertive tone here! THE PLACEMENT OF THE PERIOD! Big boy Tim wants to flaunt his power! I'm positively quaking in my boots!

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Literally just a threat. Because Tim pretty much knew that he was going to make this thread already.

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I feel like I need to say that this condition was never given by Fedele, whose logs were screencapped an hour and a half after the discussion with Tim. Meaning that most likely, Tim alone is the one that probably decided to make this thread. Whack.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:22 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:Wow, it's so terrible that he was a active and helpful contributor member of your region! He better not do that again.

Truly despicable. I'm surprised they didn't ban him earlier.

Lep has justful grievance. It might be associated with the actions by TEP or maybe it's coincidental. But that only matters for potential details that may shed light on what and why things have happened. There is no point in attacking Lep or South Pacific. They didn't make any decisions in TEP.

It's also quite possible Fedele didn't inform Tim of the convo with WW/CS. There is reason to be concerned if this is just being overly dramatic when it's entirely unnecessary or there may be more to it. So let's wait to hear it from the powers that be in TEP, shall we?
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Postby ELfiNE » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:25 pm

Wabbitslayah wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Truly despicable. I'm surprised they didn't ban him earlier.

Lep has justful grievance. It might be associated with the actions by TEP or maybe it's coincidental. But that only matters for potential details that may shed light on what and why things have happened. There is no point in attacking Lep or South Pacific. They didn't make any decisions in TEP.

It's also quite possible Fedele didn't inform Tim of the convo with WW/CS. There is reason to be concerned if this is just being overly dramatic when it's entirely unnecessary or there may be more to it. So let's wait to hear it from the powers that be in TEP, shall we?



>Waiting on transparency from the TEP government

That one won't be for a while mate.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:48 pm

ELfiNE wrote:
Wabbitslayah wrote:Lep has justful grievance. It might be associated with the actions by TEP or maybe it's coincidental. But that only matters for potential details that may shed light on what and why things have happened. There is no point in attacking Lep or South Pacific. They didn't make any decisions in TEP.

It's also quite possible Fedele didn't inform Tim of the convo with WW/CS. There is reason to be concerned if this is just being overly dramatic when it's entirely unnecessary or there may be more to it. So let's wait to hear it from the powers that be in TEP, shall we?



>Waiting on transparency from the TEP government

That one won't be for a while mate.

Eh, I decided to be a little bit fair.
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Postby Armaros » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:17 am

So, Wonder Woman was Crystalsummer, and lied about his identity in TEP and Lazarus and wherever else they joined?

I don't know why TEP decided to make this public, but it's good to know either way.
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Postby Th empire of wymondham » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:26 am

If Tim did know about Fedele's promise then everyone involved in this on the TEP side should be ashamed of themselves, if you promise not to make a fuss if someone goes quietly then don't make a fuss when they go quietly
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:27 am

The rather incredible thing is that TEP thought this announcement was a good idea in the first place. Did they think it'd go down well?

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Postby Th empire of wymondham » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:28 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The rather incredible thing is that TEP thought this announcement was a good idea in the first place. Did they think it'd go down well?

If they did then they need to sack their PR guy
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Postby Kurnugia » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:36 am

Either Fedele lied or Tim acted on his own volition. Either way, not a good look for TEP.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:10 am

While TEP did kinda mishandle this one, I've got no sympathy. Don't pretend to be a woman.
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Postby Malphe » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:10 am

This is what passes for drama according to TEP? All I'm seeing is Tim on a power trip trying to make a big public gameplay spectacle out of something minor and internal. Not even just a post, an entire thread too, jesus. Grow up, this is embarrassing.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:12 am

RiderSyl wrote:While TEP did kinda mishandle this one, I've got no sympathy. Don't pretend to be a woman.

Did he do anything malicious?

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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:13 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:While TEP did kinda mishandle this one, I've got no sympathy. Don't pretend to be a woman.

Did he do anything malicious?

He betrayed the trust of the community. He's not apologizing for nothing, you know.
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Postby Bachtendekuppen » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:18 am

That this could've been handled better by both parties, including TEP, is kicking in an open door. We'll have to assess that internally. That being said, WW or however he is made quite the error in judgement and any further position in TEP is clearly not tenable, "quietly" or not.
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