by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:41 pm
by Aclion » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:33 pm
by Vanquaria » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:34 pm
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:36 pm
Aclion wrote:What if the members don't want a democracy?
by Byzanthia » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:00 pm
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:09 pm
Byzanthia wrote:Are monarchies tolerated by your group? Some of my regions are constitutional monarchies, in which the monarch is the permanent head of state, while the head of government is led by a popularly-elected Prime Minister. In these instances the monarch is a completely ceremonial head of state. In others, however, the monarch may possess the same powers as the Prime Minister and effectively controls the regional government; the Prime Minister (still elected by the people) acts as an adviser to the monarch and/or carries out his/her orders when needed.
by Byzanthia » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:11 pm
Rebels and Saints wrote:Byzanthia wrote:Are monarchies tolerated by your group? Some of my regions are constitutional monarchies, in which the monarch is the permanent head of state, while the head of government is led by a popularly-elected Prime Minister. In these instances the monarch is a completely ceremonial head of state. In others, however, the monarch may possess the same powers as the Prime Minister and effectively controls the regional government; the Prime Minister (still elected by the people) acts as an adviser to the monarch and/or carries out his/her orders when needed.
I imaginethat monarchies could be, under certain circumstances, tolerable. As far as monarchy or constitutional monarchy or any other form of autocracy goes, I dont strictly have a problem with the government form in and of itself. I just have a problem with highly authroitative governments that are highly involved in the lives of people, restricting their freedom.
There is a concept known as 'Tyranny of the Masses,' the idea being that a democracy can be just as tyrannical as an autocratic state. I would rush just as fast to shut down such a democracy.
So, yes, monarchies that preserve the freedoms of the people and do not overly restrict the citizenry are acceptable in my mind, though corrupt an tyrannical monarchies, the same as any corrupt or tyrannical government, must be shut down.
by Cameroi » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:20 pm
by Sapientia Et Bellum » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:24 pm
"We are fascists, the heirs of fascism, the fascism of the year 2000" - Il Duce Gianfranco Fini
by Reploid Productions » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:34 pm
Rebels and Saints wrote:Bump.
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by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:46 pm
Cameroi wrote:power may come from the muzzle of a gun. freedom doesn't.
the binary opposite of freedom is the dominance of aggressiveness and the normalization of harassment.
whatever statistical tendencies some forms of government might have,
none of them can create freedom.
only universal mutual consideration, and with the aid of logic, in the service of universally mutual consideration, among sapient beings can.
i used to have this idea too, when i was a very young child, that freedom was something you could invade a country and give to people.
by the time i reached adolescence i had learned from observation it simply does not and cannot work this way.
granted a government can steal freedom, but only an equitable culture can grant it.
and cultures aren't something that can be imposed either.
laws can only statistically influence them to a degree,
but a culture is the consensus of the values of its constituents,
each arising spontaneously from each individual heart and mind.
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:47 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Rebels and Saints wrote:Bump.
Please don't bump spam. It had been barely an hour between the original post and this spammy bump; limit bumps to once per day/thread has fallen off the first page, whichever is longer. Additionally, merely bumping your thread without any substance or new content is not a good way to make your region look attractive to potential recruits.
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:47 pm
by Sapientia Et Bellum » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:54 pm
"We are fascists, the heirs of fascism, the fascism of the year 2000" - Il Duce Gianfranco Fini
by Aclion » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:55 pm
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:58 pm
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:00 pm
by Sapientia Et Bellum » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:03 pm
Rebels and Saints wrote:Aclion wrote:That's not very democratic.
Wont they just immediately vote to reinstall the undemocratic regime?
They might, eventually. If you read my explanation of liberation on the region page, you will see that liberation forces will stay in power, regardless of the opinion of the citizenry, until a functioning democracy can be set up.
And, as for not getting a choice, that was primarily in reference to the nations being ousted from power. Apologies there. My wording was awkward.
"We are fascists, the heirs of fascism, the fascism of the year 2000" - Il Duce Gianfranco Fini
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:40 pm
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Rebels and Saints wrote:
They might, eventually. If you read my explanation of liberation on the region page, you will see that liberation forces will stay in power, regardless of the opinion of the citizenry, until a functioning democracy can be set up.
And, as for not getting a choice, that was primarily in reference to the nations being ousted from power. Apologies there. My wording was awkward.
"regardless of the opinion of the citizenry"
sounds a lot like force to me
by Sapientia Et Bellum » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:42 pm
"We are fascists, the heirs of fascism, the fascism of the year 2000" - Il Duce Gianfranco Fini
by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:58 pm
by Sapientia Et Bellum » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:03 pm
"We are fascists, the heirs of fascism, the fascism of the year 2000" - Il Duce Gianfranco Fini
by Raionitu » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:09 pm
Rebels and Saints wrote:Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:So why is your force different from the force of those you oppose
The process is no different. The cause and results set us apart.
In typical invader regimes, the goal is to invade regions and gain control. In the Council, the goal is to oust invaders, stabilize a region, and then leave, returning it to its inhabitants.
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by Rebels and Saints » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:20 pm
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:And if the people want to be invaders? Regions operate on a volunteer basis lol
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