Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[Strobemark]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left. What the hell is wrong with CCD members having their own opinions? Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little.

Disclaimer: Personally I am not a fascist. You can believe that or not, I don't care.

So anything a millimeter to the left to fascism is considered far-left?

No, but leftists are fascist in their policies, their worldview, their actions and their effects on society.

[Outer Sparta]

So anything a millimeter to the left to fascism is considered far-left?

No, but leftists are fascist in their policies, their worldview, their actions and their effects on society.

Oh going with some projection, are we?

[Strobemark]

No, but leftists are fascist in their policies, their worldview, their actions and their effects on society.

Oh going with some projection, are we?

The world is not a spectrum. You can't be partially something, partially something else, and the rest of the way something else. You're either a fascist or you aren't. By their fruits ye shall know them. Everything, EVERYTHING is black and white.

[Outer Sparta]

Oh going with some projection, are we?

The world is not a spectrum. You can't be partially something, partially something else, and the rest of the way something else. You're either a fascist or you aren't. By their fruits ye shall know them. Everything, EVERYTHING is black and white.

So, you then? You being a fascist? Why don't you join the CCD or something?

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Sorry, who were you in TNP?

Kirina

Oh I know you. You're the one with the pro genocide, serbia strong, remove kebab avatar who threw a fit and ran off from RP. Yeah you can get in the bin.

[The Rapture Republic]

Despite being banned from CCD over comments which I deeply regret saying as I failed to use the “think before you speak” rule and I apologize to everyone that I offended and hope we can make things up on better terms. Otherwise, when I was still on their discord. I saw no buzzwords that anyone loves to throw at them because apparently, they don’t have anything better to do with their lives. Like, come on, man. Stop making up shit about people because you are boredom out of your mind. It’s both sad and pathetic. Nobody there is a “literally Hitler” as some not so good faith actors like to believe, they just players who enjoy developing their nations, their stories, and their characters and so on and so forth. Everyone is free to speak their minds how they please. Provided if it isn’t breaking the rules, and nobody is censored for what they believe in if they expressed them in a civilized and not offensive manner to avoid heated tensions between players.


This is probably a defense that has already been played and nobody will listen too, which is fine by me. I just felt like saying my piece regarding the CCD community. They aren’t buzzword A or B, they are great people. It’s honestly a shame. That we have people who love making up accusations against an innocent group of frankly awesome individuals just because like I said, they have nothing better to do to at all with their lives. It’s just sad.

If y’all don’t believe me. Go and chat with them, face to face. Be your own judge and I ensure you the narrative of “CCD is the devil” will fall apart completely.

[Prydania]

Kirina

Oh I know you. You're the one with the pro genocide, serbia strong, remove kebab avatar who threw a fit and ran off from RP. Yeah you can get in the bin.

I cannot speak to any interactions this person had on the general TNP Discord server, as I did not see any of it. It seems they may have gotten into an argument with one of our past Delegates over Trump. To which I would tell Strobemark/Kirina that finding Trump unlikeable does not make someone "far left."

I myself (TNP Minister of Culture and lead RP Mod) was a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada until I stopped paying my dues as I began to pursue American citizenship. Our Foreign Affairs Minister is, as MadJack pointed out, a card carrying Republican. One past delegate getting into a heated discussion about Trump and a RP moderation staff unimpressed with jokes about genocide and homophobia does not make TNP a hotbed of "far left" ideology. The only way this appears as "far left" behaviour is if you're really a fascist upset that you can't say whatever you want without consequence.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

The following dispatch explains recent events within the CCD, including the closure of our embassies.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1309340

Looks like a coup to me. Joco can resign all he wants, it means shit. Shrew if I am not mistaken was a prominent member of Nazi Europe for quite a while were they not? If so, congrats on installing them as your delegate. Kind of like trying to put a fire out with a big bottle of hydrogen if you ask me.

I've never been associated with Nazi Europa. Yuck.

I've only ever been a part of two regions - my nation was founded in the South Pacific, stayed for a few months, then moved to CCD.

Of course Joco's cult of personality is so ingrained in everyone there that Shrew had to give the (poorly concealed) game away by assuring the panicked citizenry that nothing was actually changing.

Things definitely will be restructured, all I said in that post is that Jocospor will remain as Viceroy (he is, after all, the regional Founder).

I'm sure there's a very specific reason why CCD has like 5138474 instances of pro-fascist/nazi/etc. comments and needs 5138474 different excuses of why it's not actually what it looks like, while just about any other (non-fascist) region we could draw at random out of a hat would have nearly if not exactly 0 instances of the same problem.

But no, the next time someone in CCD spouts "hail hortler" or something, I'm sure it's not indicative of any sort of prevalent pattern with CCD and is simply a cat walking across the keyboard and just coincidentally spelling something coherent and controversial. Could've happened to anyone, really.

We have no real life fascists in the Supreme Council. If they were, they wouldn't be a part of our government.

[WayNeacTia]

Looks like a coup to me. Joco can resign all he wants, it means shit. Shrew if I am not mistaken was a prominent member of Nazi Europe for quite a while were they not? If so, congrats on installing them as your delegate. Kind of like trying to put a fire out with a big bottle of hydrogen if you ask me.

I've never been associated with Nazi Europa. Yuck.

I've only ever been a part of two regions - my nation was founded in the South Pacific, stayed for a few months, then moved to CCD.

As I stated, I apologized for that comment when I realized I was wrong. That being said, I still don't think you are the person to reform the CCD. If you can, good on ya, but until I see it...

[Prydania]

Nobody there is a “literally Hitler” as some not so good faith actors like to believe, they just players who enjoy developing their nations, their stories, and their characters and so on and so forth.

There are screenshots of CCDers in this thread openly proclaiming support for fascism. Further? They tried to coup my region. So try again.

[Konar]

Our Minister of Foreign Affairs is a card carrying republican. Many of our most prominent members are from the centre or the right. No one, to my knowledge of TNP, which is probably quite a bit larger than yours, who is prominent in TNP seems to support extreme far left movements.

How can an NS government be left or right?
Psst, it's not a witch hunt if there's actually witches.

I mean when I was in TNP a former delegate kept trying to debate me on the fact that I support Trump, bringing it up at completely random times and trying to soil my fledgling reputation by using his own developed one as a counterweight. I was also called a white-centric fascist for having a Western (yes, white Christian) worldview. I'm a damned bigot, I know, MJ! So in my experience, yes, TNP stands as a bastion of leftist anarchism and tyranny.

How can any government be right or left? Maybe you'll lose the title of "radical leftist" if you let people have free speech.

And TNP has its fair share of witches. :thonk:

Emphasis mine.

Sorry, I stopped taking you with any degree of seriousness when I read that.

[Prydania]

Things definitely will be restructured, all I said in that post is that Jocospor will remain as Viceroy (he is, after all, the regional Founder).

That's why there's no hope of change in the CCD. Even if you had the best of intentions and set about to fix the region (I doubt you do, as you were one of the hardliners defending CCD's embassies with fascist and Nazi regions) Joco is the founder. He has ultimate control. Anything you do that he doesn't approve of? He can override.
There's no reform to be had in the CCD short of Joco CTE'ing and the region being refounded or Joco actually maturing.

[Syrixia]

Oh I know you. You're the one with the pro genocide, serbia strong, remove kebab avatar who threw a fit and ran off from RP. Yeah you can get in the bin.

To further clarify... <syr snip>

It should also be noted that Kirina, during his time in TNPRP, got salty about not being top dog in our RMB RP and then proceeded to create two new RP worlds and join both in prominent positions in order to compensate, causing much drama and headaches, before then leaving the region suddenly and causing the community and mods alike even more headaches. Putting aside politics, the guy's a general disturbance.

But since he wants to make this about politics, let me say this: I've been in TNP for 5 years, since 2014. I'm a former Minister of Culture now serving as Pry's Deputy. I've seen way more than Kirina has in this region, and I've been a Republican since 2016 with no intentions of switching parties anytime soon. Kirina, TNP has no bias against the right wing members of its community. Knock off the conspiracy theories, please.

[The Rapture Republic]

Nobody there is a “literally Hitler” as some not so good faith actors like to believe, they just players who enjoy developing their nations, their stories, and their characters and so on and so forth.

There are screenshots of CCDers in this thread openly proclaiming support for fascism. Further? They tried to coup my region. So try again.

So? Do you want me to hate them because they think differently from me and you? Because that ain’t going to happen. I won’t distance myself from person who has the opposite opinion of me. Never. In fact, I encourage it, if we want to remain a free society to freely debate our ideas without fear of being censored for having to the wrong think. The only reason that I would is if they aren’t treating me with respect and that’s it. Also, I’m not a fascist, just so you know.

[Prydania]

There are screenshots of CCDers in this thread openly proclaiming support for fascism. Further? They tried to coup my region. So try again.

So? Do you want me to hate them because they think differently from me and you?

Well considering they hold to ideologies that consider some people to be subhuman, yes.

Also, I’m not a fascist, just so you know.

No, you just advocate for their right to spread their hateful ideology.

[The Rapture Republic]

So? Do you want me to hate them because they think differently from me and you?

Well considering they hold to ideologies that consider some people to be subhuman, yes.

Also, I’m not a fascist, just so you know.

No, you just advocate for their right to spread their hateful ideology.

To avoid that. You debate them to prove to the public they are wrong in their positions and you are right. Censorship causes nothing but trouble. In fact, it allows them to play the victim card. And if they actually use physical violence against individual due to their beliefs, that’s where law enforcement comes to play but it still doesn’t mean you have the right to start burning books.

[Prydania]

To avoid that. You debate them to prove to the public they are wrong in their positions and you are right. Censorship causes nothing but trouble. In fact, it allows them to play the victim card.

There is no debating in good faith with a fascist.
They demand free speech to spread their views, yet openly admit that they would curtail free speech if they achieved power.
They demand to be treated with respect and debated as such yet their ideology holds some people to be "degenerate" and "subhuman," and therefore do not grant such respect to the people their ideology targets.

An open and honest debate involves all sides willing to argue in good faith. And fascism is incapable of that. Your mistake is assuming "fascism" is just another ideology like "conservatism" or "liberalism" when it is, in fact, something far worse and insidious.

but it still doesn’t mean you have the right to start burning books.

Burning books is bad. I wonder who would do that?

Oh wait...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

[WayNeacTia]

Well considering they hold to ideologies that consider some people to be subhuman, yes.


No, you just advocate for their right to spread their hateful ideology.

To avoid that. You debate them to prove to the public they are wrong in their positions and you are right. Censorship causes nothing but trouble. In fact, it allows them to play the victim card.

It's been done more times than there are numbers. What more needs to be fucking done? Fascism = Bad. History has proved that pretty fucking conclusively. Plus nazi's are incapable of rational debate, as most nazi's are sociopathic narcissists, who seems incapable of even being remotely wrong about anything. Rather than debate, they are incredibly famous for eruditic comebacks, flaming people and just generally trolling. That maybe the reason they are so richly despised, and tend to feel the sword of DEAT eventually.

[The New California Republic]

I'm sure there's a very specific reason why CCD has like 5138474 instances of pro-fascist/nazi/etc. comments and needs 5138474 different excuses of why it's not actually what it looks like, while just about any other (non-fascist) region we could draw at random out of a hat would have nearly if not exactly 0 instances of the same problem.

But no, the next time someone in CCD spouts "hail hortler" or something, I'm sure it's not indicative of any sort of prevalent pattern with CCD and is simply a cat walking across the keyboard and just coincidentally spelling something coherent and controversial. Could've happened to anyone, really.

Yeah there are always excuses for it. "I had a boo boo that day", "I was sleepy sleepy at the time". Absolutely. Fucking. Pathetic.

[Rossiyaana]

Some more of the fascism, apologism, and alt-rightism thats common on the CCD discord:

Also find it hilarious that Espana Francista refers to the CCD as anti fascists, considering they’re openly talking about being a fascist, and this amongst all the other endorsements of fascism...

So was this stuff posted in #ooc and #irl-politics also RP? Or have you given up on that excuse?

[Bormiar]

#irl-politics is the place for budding young political philosophers to opine on the four important systems of government: communism (not socialism!), democracy, fascism, and “anything with anarcho” before it. This discussion above is yet another example of intellectual discussion among fascist middle schoolers, whose parents, friends, and acquaintances have not yet supported them in making their own choices- I’m sure they’ve researched and thought long and hard about it, exemplified by:

“Democracy is built by compromise on one hand and egoism in the other”

“Fuck sake it is really hard to be a fascist nowadays”

Very impressive!

[Greater vakolicci haven]

#irl-politics is the place for budding young political philosophers to opine on the four important systems of government: communism (not socialism!), democracy, fascism, and “anything with anarcho” before it. This discussion above is yet another example of intellectual discussion among fascist middle schoolers, whose parents, friends, and acquaintances have not yet supported them in making their own choices- I’m sure they’ve researched and thought long and hard about it, exemplified by:

“Democracy is built by compromise on one hand and egoism in the other”

“Fuck sake it is really hard to be a fascist nowadays”

Very impressive!

Which things about those two posts are problematic, aside from the typo in the first?

[Blood Wine]

I'd like to note that I am FORCED to remove roles of players to mute them when they break the server rules. Who set up this system? Oh that would be you

I love how CCoD members are so bad at OPSEC they criticize the one system keeping their server secure

[Bormiar]

#irl-politics is the place for budding young political philosophers to opine on the four important systems of government: communism (not socialism!), democracy, fascism, and “anything with anarcho” before it. This discussion above is yet another example of intellectual discussion among fascist middle schoolers, whose parents, friends, and acquaintances have not yet supported them in making their own choices- I’m sure they’ve researched and thought long and hard about it, exemplified by:

“Democracy is built by compromise on one hand and egoism in the other”

“Fuck sake it is really hard to be a fascist nowadays”

Very impressive!

Which things about those two posts are problematic, aside from the typo in the first?

They're all ridiculously blanket statements.

Not to mention:
"Welcome to the timeline where the majority of people are idiots" - our "timeline" is not that special

[Syberis]

I'd like to note that I am FORCED to remove roles of players to mute them when they break the server rules. Who set up this system? Oh that would be you

I love how CCoD members are so bad at OPSEC they criticize the one system keeping their server secure

Are... Are the "invisible scripts" Discord's role system?