Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Heya, Valerox!

I'm not going to approach you with a particularly aggressive post, because frankly I know what it's like. Whilst it's completely understandable that people are rocking up here and kicking the CCD, I do think it's important that somebody talk to you bluntly about CCD's past, as I am - as most people who have left the CCD are - aware that you didn't "[go] back to work", but instead entered a long period of inactivity following your return from Vangmar. While, of course, I don't know whether you were under any IRL circumstances that may have made activity more difficult for you, it doesn't change the fact that you came back just as most of the regional administration had gotten up and left 'cuz it turned out the CCD was rotten. You were a useful old face that Joco saw fit to place in a position of power to plug the gaping holes left by most of the old government (including 3/5 Supreme Council members) leaving.

You can take your fake kindness and shove it right where it belongs.

For the record, I don't think you're a fascist. Heck, despite how much I bullshit and joke about it, I don't think that Joco or Shrew are fascists. In fact, I don't think most members of the CCD are fascist. From my observations, a lot of the region seems to be centre-right, or heck, some members seem to be centre-left. I don't even have many reservations on roleplaying fascism. I wholeheartedly agree with Prydania that when roleplaying horrific regimes, one must be sure to do so correctly. This shown by how I roleplay as, well, it's in my signature: "A nightmare theocratic socialist hellscape". I'm not afraid to say that the nation of South Reinkalistan is a cryptofascist hellhole. What I have done in the past is gone overboard and been insensitive about this. I think that I'll link Prydania's seminar again: https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9191065/. It's something I think that all roleplayers, the CCD included, should read.

You've been in the CCD, you know for a fact that no members of the CCD government are fascist. I don't know what the purpose of any of the rest of this paragraph is.

That said, there are still some genuine OOC fascists and reactionaries running about on your discord; these people have been punished, granted, but not to the extent that I'd honestly expect them to. These people still happily run about on their discord server. Rashidland is still rather active, and he's said some rather nasty things about gay people such as myself. So I'm not attacking the CCD from fabricated moral grounds, you see? I've been fair to you lot, while I've highlighted how you're going to ruin my "little left-leaning society [sic]". I've taken rightful offence towards a wanton and bigoted attack on a demographic I happen to be a part of, claiming I have an "illness". Still think that's "whining about make believe fascists"?

I've had bad experiences with fascism in the past - as I expect a lot of people have - and such tend to be a bit sensitive towards shit like this, as I expect a lot of people have.

Yeah, yeah of course.

I'm sure it's really hard for you, what being so sensitive and all, when you've personally been a lot of those "bad experiences".

I'm sure it's really, really hard for someone like yourself to join the CCD Discord server on an alt account specifically for the purpose of finding controversial comments like these so you can post them here on the forums, to deal with the massive stresses of reading exactly what you came looking so hard for.

I'm sure it's really, really, really hard for you to deal with this when you've said about 10x worse yourself: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1314056

Absolutely astonishing.

[South Reinkalistan]

Yeah, yeah of course.

I'm sure it's really hard for you, what being so sensitive and all, when you've personally been a lot of those "bad experiences".

I'm sure it's really, really hard for someone like yourself to join the CCD Discord server on an alt account specifically for the purpose of finding controversial comments like these so you can post them here on the forums, to deal with the massive stresses of reading exactly what you came looking so hard for.

I'm sure it's really, really, really hard for you to deal with this when you've said about 10x worse yourself: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1314056

Absolutely astonishing.

Sigh. Another dead horse, being kicked to death. Of course I've said some awful and dumb shit. I rather doubt, though, that what I said is 10x worse, but I can make this very clear: anything expressed in those screenshots was me acting in jest, but with a fair bit of insensitivity. I'm not a nazi, I'm not a fascist, I'm not an antisemite. It's not genuine, it's not fascism. I deeply regret making those "jokes". Not to mention how you've admitted that AT was you, right? It's almost as if those shots were particularly taken out-of-context to smear me, whilst ignoring all the times I've condemned bigotry, etc. Nah, that couldn't be the case, right?

Rashidland, on the other hand? He's a reactionary homophobe. And he's not particularly repentant for that. And you tolerate him in your discord.

Furthermore, every time you post those screenshots, you have no idea how immensely satisfying it is for me. You lack any other argument, so you attack me, the speaker. Meaning I've won.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Rashidland, on the other hand? He's a reactionary homophobe. And he's not particularly repentant for that. And you tolerate him in your discord.

I tolerated you in my Discord. Again, that was far worse than anything the nation you've linked a screenshot of has said.

The screenshot you saved for so long as a trump card is several weeks old now, Rashidland has since been disciplined and the offending channel shut down. In the past fortnight the most controversial thing they've posted is a bunch of shitty chungus memes.

While I appreciate you trying to act as some sort of moral authority, yeah, no I don't, you can cut that shit out.

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Furthermore, every time you post those screenshots, you have no idea how immensely satisfying it is for me. You lack any other argument, so you attack me, the speaker. Meaning I've won.

This just in: CCD has won every single argument, ever.

[South Reinkalistan]

Rashidland, on the other hand? He's a reactionary homophobe. And he's not particularly repentant for that. And you tolerate him in your discord.

I tolerated you in my Discord. Again, that was far worse than anything the nation you've linked a screenshot of has said.

The screenshot you saved for so long as a trump card is several weeks old now, Rashidland has since been disciplined and the offending channel shut down. In the past fortnight the most controversial thing they've posted is a bunch of shitty chungus memes.

While I appreciate you trying to act as some sort of moral authority, yeah, no I don't, you can cut that shit out.

edit:

Furthermore, every time you post those screenshots, you have no idea how immensely satisfying it is for me. You lack any other argument, so you attack me, the speaker. Meaning I've won.

This just in: CCD has won every single argument, ever.

Yeah, there's not much worth posting anything more here. You've really fucking lowered the tone here. Just reflect upon the fact that someone with a past as tainted as mine can possess a moral high ground over you. You're that bad. Fuck off, Shrew. Nobody cares about you and your failed shitstain of a region. I'm going to stop posting here from now on, and I'd strongly encourage everyone to do the same. You didn't respond to my argument with any points whatsoever, and instead recycled your own tired rhetoric you're pulling out of your arse because your mouth ceased functioning due to the sheer quantity of shit you talk. I wish nothing upon you and Jocospor but the most subpar and mediocre of lives, and you can fuck right back to the cesspit of a discord your region possesses.

I've had it with you lot, and I've lost my fucking temper trying to slap some sense into the two braincells you can't quite seem to rub together. Pull yourself together, Shrew. You're an idiot.

[Salcanceacy]

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[West Heisen]

Test your might...
Test your might...
Test your might...
Test your might...
MORAL KOMBAT!

[Yokiria]

The screenshot you saved for so long as a trump card is several weeks old now, Rashidland has since been disciplined and the offending channel shut down.

"Disciplined" how?

[The New California Republic]

The screenshot you saved for so long as a trump card is several weeks old now, Rashidland has since been disciplined and the offending channel shut down.

"Disciplined" how?

[The Order of the Holy Inquisitors]

Inquis, you talk about me "punish[ing] anyone who can't subscribe to the dangerous groupthink present in the CCD." What exactly do you mean, punish? Do you find it unjust that I pursue (within NationStates) legal actions against dissenters? Everyone region has its laws. Mine just happens to largely centre around, well, me

I suppose my problem is twofold: One is the fact that you, a fallible human being, have built your government on an image of the infallible. This has led to and inevitably will lead to mistakes and problems, followed by desperate attempts to cover them up while preserving your power. My second problem is with how little margin of error there is when determining who gets punished and who doesn't. I don't have a problem with you pursuing legal action in a general sense. The problem comes when your government regularly blurs the IC/OOC boundary, resulting in people who really deserve punishment avoiding it and people who really didn't do anything warranting removal being axed. It's something that most people in NSGP have figured out by now, and it's something which makes your trying to absolve the CCD of the claims of fascism nigh impossible.

Coups have been executed against GCRs before, and certainly against UCRs. Raiding, really, is a form of couping. So, on that score, I laugh when people expect me to feel some guilt over our woefully poor attempts at TNP. Which might not have been so woefully poor, but that one is on you. And besides, if it had succeeded, would we find ourselves in this situation today? I doubt it. You'd be EXTREMELY happy with CCD, regardless of whatever issues you perceived within it. Think of all that power. You would have done what Riakou couldn't have: climbed higher, and still under the Confederation banner.

I'd like to think part of the responsibility lies on you. After all, you had plenty of times, opportunities, and even requests to provide more information, more training, and even more operatives. If it had succeeded, perhaps I would have been very happy. But, perhaps my realizations would have been inevitable, and I would've done what Castelia did. We're never gonna know, since that reality is long gone. Either way, you can quit with trying to make me think of all the power I could have had; I'll much prefer the satisfaction in other work now. And I don't know; holding the delegacy for that long and being able to get away with what he did seems to suggest a high degree of trust, perhaps second only to Shrew. That's pretty high in my book.

None of AWF could have climbed any higher. I think its why they champion that line, "CCD only cares about Jocospor/Elite/upper-tier" - I don't know, any substitution will do. But if you had climbed higher, I doubt there'd be complaints.

None of anybody in the CCD could have climbed higher, don't single us out for that. I recall the constitutional drafting process, in which I submitted three different documents to try and introduce some reforms where even the tiniest modicum of actual power was given to the people to reduce the potential for disastrous oversights made through hubris. Not a single one was used, and instead you reskinned all the offices and barely changed the power set. Even when you raise an individual up, the powers they do receive compared to the powers of literally just Dep and Shrew are minimal at best, especially when you consider said individual either acts directly on your will or with your permission. We champion that line because it's true. Rather than try to reconcile with some of your most active community, you axed most and the rest followed.

At this point, I sit back in my armchair with a half amused, half bemused expression. It's interesting to see you all scrambling for new starts. We often like to say that the CCD has no integrity. Of moral integrity, perhaps that's true - from a gameplay perspective, I mean. (And, come on, give it a rest. I think we all know that I'm not running the next Hitler Youth, particularly as I voted for the Greens in the last federal election.) But consistency? The Confederation hasn't changed its position on things like the WA since its founding. We've made our bed, sure, but at least we sleep in it. We don't pull our Snaps or throw blame around in an attempt for a clean start.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a bit of a clean start, even if you don't expect anything to come of it. If I disagree with something, I'm not gonna continue to support it, hence our leave. And yes, you have consistency. That's where your problem lies. The Confederation is unable to change, lest the entire model of Joco-centric government change with it.

Honestly, now that the former faction of CCD that makes up AWF has gone, I'm much happier. The stabbing hurt, but I don't have any personal grudges (perhaps Rein excepting, although he's no longer a part of the AWF which suggest to me they saw the light and booted him too). What I am happier about is the bureaucratic barrier between real regional government and CCD nations is gone. We're operating very efficiently now, and while there's a lot to clean up, we're nicely back on our feet (even if numbers are, at the moment, trending down).

No surprise that eliminating anything and anyone that detracts even slightly from your power makes you happy. I suppose the efficiency may be good for you guys, as perhaps you may be capable of actually taking effective actions. But, given the lack of change in those who actually make decisions, and precedent, my hopes aren't high.

TL;DR: Hypocrisy disappoints me.

Rest assured, yours disappointed the rest of us too. If you want to complain about the rest of the world being liars and cheats, it makes your story a little more convincing if you're not acting like one yourself.

*claps at how extremely genious this reply was*

Okay, first, you misspelled genius. Fitting. Second, I wouldn't consider yourself a judge on genius given how you bragged to your compatriots about the "raid" that you fabricated (sloppily, if I may add). If anyone else wants to hear about it, I'd be happy to discuss it.

[Xoriet]

Coups have been executed against GCRs before, and certainly against UCRs. Raiding, really, is a form of couping. So, on that score, I laugh when people expect me to feel some guilt over our woefully poor attempts at TNP.

Bigger and stronger regions than you, including people you count as the WA Elite themselves, have taken as much damage for efforts against others GCRs as you get for your attempt. Don't think that you're alone in encountering consequences for the actions you took in TNP. The difference is that the other regions who engaged in similar actions actually did something concrete about it and knew how to navigate the fallout because, well, they actually know how to play the political game. You neither did anything concrete nor knew how to successfully navigate the situation, and, pro-tip, playing the victim does as little to help your status as that attitude that you did nothing wrong at all. Couping is a game mechanic as surely as raiding, but it's certainly near the top of the list of actions that earn you international condemnation.

[Sedgistan]

Yeah, there's not much worth posting anything more here. You've really fucking lowered the tone here. Just reflect upon the fact that someone with a past as tainted as mine can possess a moral high ground over you. You're that bad. Fuck off, Shrew. Nobody cares about you and your failed shitstain of a region. I'm going to stop posting here from now on, and I'd strongly encourage everyone to do the same. You didn't respond to my argument with any points whatsoever, and instead recycled your own tired rhetoric you're pulling out of your arse because your mouth ceased functioning due to the sheer quantity of shit you talk. I wish nothing upon you and Jocospor but the most subpar and mediocre of lives, and you can fuck right back to the cesspit of a discord your region possesses.

I've had it with you lot, and I've lost my fucking temper trying to slap some sense into the two braincells you can't quite seem to rub together. Pull yourself together, Shrew. You're an idiot.

Just walk away from this thread. Too many people here are talking about ignoring this thread or various other posters, and then keep coming back for more punishment. It's not worth it.

*** 1 day ban for flaming ***

I'm going to leave this locked for a few hours, in the hope that tempers cool down.

[Reploid Productions]

And a belated followup to Sedge's earlier post...

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Test your might...
Test your might...
Test your might...
Test your might...
MORAL KOMBAT!

Knock off the complete and utter spam.

Yes, shitposting and memeing can be very tempting, but at least make an effort to keep it relevant to the thread topic- CCD the region, its members, and their activities. These two posts have nothing remotely to do with the topic.

[Visorax]

I have 2 questions: who is Valerox and why does his name sound like mine?

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I have 2 questions: who is Valerox and why does his name sound like mine?

Valerox has been a member of the Confederation for four years. They previously served as Chancellor of the Supreme Judiciary, and Minister for War, and have recently been reappointed to the Confederation's government.

Valerox may sound like your name, but has quite clearly been around longer than you have

[Visorax]

I have 2 questions: who is Valerox and why does his name sound like mine?

Valerox has been a member of the Confederation for four years. They previously served as Chancellor of the Supreme Judiciary, and Minister for War, and have recently been reappointed to the Confederation's government.

Valerox may sound like your name, but has quite clearly been around longer than you have

I checked the Boneyard. My first nation was created 5 months and a few weeks earlier.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Valerox has been a member of the Confederation for four years. They previously served as Chancellor of the Supreme Judiciary, and Minister for War, and have recently been reappointed to the Confederation's government.

Valerox may sound like your name, but has quite clearly been around longer than you have

I checked the Boneyard. My first nation was created 5 months and a few weeks earlier.

Why is this relevant when you commented his name is similar to your current nation's name (created Nov 2018)?

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Coups have been executed against GCRs before, and certainly against UCRs. Raiding, really, is a form of couping. So, on that score, I laugh when people expect me to feel some guilt over our woefully poor attempts at TNP.

Bigger and stronger regions than you, including people you count as the WA Elite themselves, have taken as much damage for efforts against others GCRs as you get for your attempt. Don't think that you're alone in encountering consequences for the actions you took in TNP. The difference is that the other regions who engaged in similar actions actually did something concrete about it and knew how to navigate the fallout because, well, they actually know how to play the political game. You neither did anything concrete nor knew how to successfully navigate the situation, and, pro-tip, playing the victim does as little to help your status as that attitude that you did nothing wrong at all. Couping is a game mechanic as surely as raiding, but it's certainly near the top of the list of actions that earn you international condemnation.

They really haven't though, CCD was hated from the very start - the coup only gave the WA Elite an excuse to continue this hate.

It's alright, apparently it's a-okay to go around knocking off dozens of WA Delegates just to stop a proposal from reaching quorum, but poorly executing a coup is still being talked about months later.

I tolerated you in my Discord. Again, that was far worse than anything the nation you've linked a screenshot of has said.

The screenshot you saved for so long as a trump card is several weeks old now, Rashidland has since been disciplined and the offending channel shut down. In the past fortnight the most controversial thing they've posted is a bunch of shitty chungus memes.

While I appreciate you trying to act as some sort of moral authority, yeah, no I don't, you can cut that shit out.


This just in: CCD has won every single argument, ever.

Yeah, there's not much worth posting anything more here. You've really fucking lowered the tone here. Just reflect upon the fact that someone with a past as tainted as mine can possess a moral high ground over you. You're that bad. Fuck off, Shrew. Nobody cares about you and your failed shitstain of a region. I'm going to stop posting here from now on, and I'd strongly encourage everyone to do the same. You didn't respond to my argument with any points whatsoever, and instead recycled your own tired rhetoric you're pulling out of your arse because your mouth ceased functioning due to the sheer quantity of shit you talk. I wish nothing upon you and Jocospor but the most subpar and mediocre of lives, and you can fuck right back to the cesspit of a discord your region possesses.

I've had it with you lot, and I've lost my fucking temper trying to slap some sense into the two braincells you can't quite seem to rub together. Pull yourself together, Shrew. You're an idiot.

Ok so... stop posting here? I think it's pretty funny you think you somehow hold the "moral high ground" when it took you two posts to resort to low grade insults.

If no one cares about my region why does this thread have 80k views? Why do you, and everyone else here, keep coming back even after saying they're done? Why did you bother sending a puppet into our Discord to take screenshots of stupid things our members have said just to post them here? Actions speak louder than words

[Yokiria]

The screenshot you saved for so long as a trump card is several weeks old now, Rashidland has since been disciplined and the offending channel shut down.

"Disciplined" how?

[ShrewLlamaLand]

"Disciplined" how?

If you're referring to the nation in that screenshot specifically, I believe they were temp-banned for a period and have since been on their best behaviour.

We also made other changes to our Discord server to prevent a repeat of this:

• The offending #irl_politics channel, originally created by The Chuck when he was our Discord admin, was completely shut down. This channel was responsible for the vast majority of the content in these images.
  
• We reformed our warn and ban system to more aggressively discipline those nations who consistently violate our rules:
  

  5 warnings = 1 day temp-ban
  10 warnings = 1 week temp-ban
  15 warnings = indefinite ban
  
  Nations may accumulate more than one warn at a time, depending on the severity of the offense.
  
  Nations who have recieved an indefinite ban will remain banned from this server until they have sufficiently demonstrated a willingness to reform. Unbanning nations is at the discretion of the Imperial Council.
  
  Serious, repeated infractions may result in a permanent ban from the CCD Discord server, and/or an ejection and ban from the Confederation.

[Blood Wine]

"more aggressively"

>5 warnings to even get basic administrative action

[ShrewLlamaLand]

"more aggressively"

>5 warnings to even get basic administrative action

You know we can give more than one warning at a time right? I literally say that in the sentence below.

[Blood Wine]

it's still a high bar

[Syberis]

I've always hated "X number of infractions give you Y ban"

It's kinda terrible and basically walks people through exactly how much shitty behavior they can get away with before administration starts caring.

[Bran Astor]

it's still a high bar

It suggests CCD Admin is aware of the issues and behaviors, realizes the need for a policy to tout publicly when challenged, but doesn't want to take meaningful action against community members.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I've always hated "X number of infractions give you Y ban"

It's kinda terrible and basically walks people through exactly how much shitty behavior they can get away with before administration starts caring.

Hence our rules also state:

Nations may accumulate more than one warn at a time, depending on the severity of the offense.

and

Various offences will warrant different levels of punishment.

The 5-10-15 warns system is for minor infractions like spamming, not for the Nazi outbursts people seem to think happen inside our Discord (it doesn't).