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ShrewLlamaLand wrote:<snip>

This statement by the CCD whines about NSGP not accepting their half-baked apologies, attacks the whistleblower, attacks the founder of the region of their disaffected members, threatens a former member, offers in-character government reforms as a solution to OOC problems, and tries to meme itself.

What doesn't it do? Address the fact that the CCD engaged in a 9-month-long cover-up of a plan to doxx a NationStates adminstator.

Predictably poor showing.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:FFS, I am trying to be inactive, stop making more drama.

What's going on this time? Spark notes version?

1) CCD knew about a Farkasfalka (read: fascist) plot to doxx a member of NS staff, and then covered it up. The discussion thread in Moderation where I call for fascists to be thrown off of the site gets closer with each passing day.

2) An exodus of nations (30-40) from CCD to a new region has occurred, and this has triggered all sorts of IC and OOC drama between CCD loyalists and the breakaways.

3) Needless to say, CCD's response hasn't exactly been stellar. Typical PR disaster, typical lack of responsibility taken.

Kavagrad wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:FFS, I am trying to be inactive, stop making more drama.

What's going on this time? Spark notes version?

1) CCD knew about a Farkasfalka (read: fascist) plot to doxx a member of NS staff, and then covered it up. The discussion thread in Moderation where I call for fascists to be thrown off of the site gets closer with each passing day.

2) An exodus of nations (30-40) from CCD to a new region has occurred, and this has triggered all sorts of IC and OOC drama between CCD loyalists and the breakaways.

3) Needless to say, CCD's response hasn't exactly been stellar. Typical PR disaster, typical lack of responsibility taken.

Can you honestly blame those nations who jumped from the burning ship had they not they would have been taken down along with the CCD loyalists

My final reply for a while. I know I said I wouldn't post here for a while, but I will respond given I respect the nation who has asked a genuine question:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:FFS, I am trying to be inactive, stop making more drama.

What's going on this time? Spark notes version?

Farkasfalka engaged in talks with the Confederation in our Discord server almost a year ago, one of the topics they brought up was the doxxing of a NationStates mod. Jocospor quickly shut the terrible idea down and it was never spoken of again, we cut all talks with the region shortly after.

This recent drama was kicked up when The Chuck, a former Discord admin for the Confederation, decided to post evidence that these talks had taken place (note: not the contents of the actual meeting itself).

I'd also like to add that no one outside of Farkasfalka and the current Confederation Supreme Council actually knows the contents of what happened in these talks. The Chuck, who revealed these rumours, is going off his own six-month-old memories from our Discord logs and a couple of conversations he had about it with CCD officials much later. He doesn't have the contents of the meeting or else he would have posted them here.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:My final reply for a while. I know I said I wouldn't post here for a while, but I will respond given I respect the nation who has asked a genuine question:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:FFS, I am trying to be inactive, stop making more drama.

What's going on this time? Spark notes version?

Farkasfalka engaged in talks with the Confederation in our Discord server almost a year ago, one of the topics they brought up was the doxxing of a NationStates mod. Jocospor quickly shut the terrible idea down and it was never spoken of again, we cut all talks with the region shortly after.

This recent drama was kicked up when The Chuck, a former Discord admin for the Confederation, decided to post evidence that these talks had taken place (note: not the contents of the actual meeting itself).

I'd also like to add that no one outside of Farkasfalka and the current Confederation Supreme Council actually knows the contents of what happened in these talks. The Chuck, who revealed these rumours, is going off his own six-month-old memories from our Discord logs and a couple of conversations he had about it with CCD officials much later. He doesn't have the contents of the meeting or else he would have posted them here.

For a "final reply", it really doesn't cover any of the real contentions on the issue. Nobody is arguing that CCD actively participated in a plot to doxx Reppy. The assertion is that you knew, and you didn't tell anyone. Meanwhile, Farkasfalka could have been continuing their plans, and site stuff would've been none-the-wiser. You covered it up, proving yourselves to be the lowest of fascist-enablers, and are fully worthy of the condemnation coming your way. It's frankly disgusting that you continue to refuse to take responsibility for this.

If you truly respect GVH, have the bollocks to show him what's under the mask. The rest of us have already seen it slip.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:To Castelia,

Frankly I'm not really sure why you chose Chuck (who, by the way, has already thrown you under the bus by exposing your past conflict with Kafair) over the Confederation because we have a different definition of "friend". We were absolutely amicable, and I would have been happy to have a chat any time, but you're not exactly someone I can invite over for drinks and a game of Five Hundred: someone I would personally call a friend. The Confederation has never exposed your dirt in the past - and oh boy do we have a lot of dirt - but really I don't want to start that, so let me at least offer you the chance to do what's best for both of us, move on, distance yourself from the Confederation and start anew somewhere else.

Ahahahahaha, I don't mind Chuck exposing my supposed "conflict" with Kafair. I am quite aware it was a stupid move on my part. I apologized to Kafair and made up with him that very same day, so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Also, I am aware that Chuck has been mentioning that event to a lot of people, and he did so with my approval. Not really sure how that's relevant, but okay.

And... you're threatening me? Seriously, now that you can't refute the arguments I bring up, you're resorting to blackmailing me? Wow, Shrew, I always knew you were a dirty scumbag, but you keep sinking even lower in my eyes. Not quite as low as the quisling I've called out in this thread, but still, a good candidate for second place. And like I told to Joco, I have an obligation to share the truth. Your threats are empty to me. Go on, expose the "dirt" I have. I'm quite capable of owning up to stupid shit I've said, and I will apologize. Chuck and I are similar in a lot of ways (our source of friendship! Yay, friend power!), and one thing we have in common is this:

The Chuck wrote:I've made many fuck ups and mistakes across my NS career Jocospor and Shrew. I actually encourage you both to dive into my Discord history and dig up what I've said in days past so that I can own up for them and apologize and move on. Go ahead and lay it all out lads. I've got plenty of time.

I'll be waiting.

Kavagrad wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:My final reply for a while. I know I said I wouldn't post here for a while, but I will respond given I respect the nation who has asked a genuine question:

Farkasfalka engaged in talks with the Confederation in our Discord server almost a year ago, one of the topics they brought up was the doxxing of a NationStates mod. Jocospor quickly shut the terrible idea down and it was never spoken of again, we cut all talks with the region shortly after.

This recent drama was kicked up when The Chuck, a former Discord admin for the Confederation, decided to post evidence that these talks had taken place (note: not the contents of the actual meeting itself).

I'd also like to add that no one outside of Farkasfalka and the current Confederation Supreme Council actually knows the contents of what happened in these talks. The Chuck, who revealed these rumours, is going off his own six-month-old memories from our Discord logs and a couple of conversations he had about it with CCD officials much later. He doesn't have the contents of the meeting or else he would have posted them here.

For a "final reply", it really doesn't cover any of the real contentions on the issue. Nobody is arguing that CCD actively participated in a plot to doxx Reppy. The assertion is that you knew, and you didn't tell anyone. Meanwhile, Farkasfalka could have been continuing their plans, and site stuff would've been none-the-wiser. You covered it up, proving yourselves to be the lowest of fascist-enablers, and are fully worthy of the condemnation coming your way. It's frankly disgusting that you continue to refuse to take responsibility for this.

If you truly respect GVH, have the bollocks to show him what's under the mask. The rest of us have already seen it slip.

I don't have much love for the NS moderation team, but Reppy is one of the better ones.
Let's just say though, that even the ones I active dislike...I would never consider doxing, and anyone who does consider doing such things should be reported instantly. That the CCD decided not to astounds me.
This is a game, after all, and players on it are all real people, with families and lives outside of ns. Doxxing somebody over something occurring online isn't just petty and childish, it puts a real person and their family at risk. Report to any authority you think will listen.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:This is a game, after all, and players on it are all real people, with families and lives outside of ns.

OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

Jocospor wrote:OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

And yet Shrew just tried to threaten me here. Don't forget the potential doxxing of Reppy, too. Who are you kidding, Jocospor? You only use that argument when you're backed up into a corner, but you're willing to forget about it when it benefits you.

HYPOCRISY ALERT! HYPOCRISY ALERT!

Jocospor wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:This is a game, after all, and players on it are all real people, with families and lives outside of ns.

OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

Here is the full post again, since you edited out the stuff that you don't want to address:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't have much love for the NS moderation team, but Reppy is one of the better ones.
Let's just say though, that even the ones I active dislike...I would never consider doxing, and anyone who does consider doing such things should be reported instantly. That the CCD decided not to astounds me.
This is a game, after all, and players on it are all real people, with families and lives outside of ns. Doxxing somebody over something occurring online isn't just petty and childish, it puts a real person and their family at risk. Report to any authority you think will listen.

Jocospor wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:This is a game, after all, and players on it are all real people, with families and lives outside of ns.

OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

Then why in gods name did you not report it when you saw a legit threat to somebody?

Castelia wrote:

Jocospor wrote:OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

And yet Shrew just tried to threaten me here. Don't forget the potential doxxing of Reppy, too.

OOC: I said I don't believe in fighting shit with shit. If Shrew threatened you, you shouldn't have flamed him in return.

Jocospor wrote:

Castelia wrote:
And yet Shrew just tried to threaten me here. Don't forget the potential doxxing of Reppy, too.

OOC: I said I don't believe in fighting shit with shit. If Shrew threatened you, you shouldn't have flamed him in return.

And how are you holding Shrew accountable for threatening a former member, as their leader?

Remember, you can't cover this up. This happened in public.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Jocospor wrote:OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

Then why in gods name did you not report it when you saw a legit threat to somebody?

Fuck knows. It just shows the depths of depravity that we are really dealing with here.

Jocospor wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:This is a game, after all, and players on it are all real people, with families and lives outside of ns.

OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

Apparently you forgot too, when you neglected to report the doxxing plan.

The Gilded Star wrote:

Jocospor wrote:
OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

Apparently you forgot too, when you neglected to report the doxxing plan.

The doxxing plan from last April, at that. I hope nobody ever goes missing on Joco's watch, or the police would get the missing persons' report from him a decade later.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Jocospor wrote:
OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

Then why in gods name did you not report it when you saw a legit threat to somebody?

OOC: This will likely not be believed, but at the time I did not know what doxxing was. The word "doxx" or any variant was not used within the conversation. I perceived no threat, because I assumed that the comments made about Reploid Productions had been obtained by way of their own admission - the previous topic of the conversation had been how the moderators did indeed reveal personal attributes and details to NationStates players.

That, I know, is probably very hard to believe, but if you do actually think about it it checks out. I'm more a Luddite than I am Bill Gates - why would I have brought Chuck in to set up our Discord if I could've done it myself?

If you do not believe me however, that's fine as well. I sent a copy of all these "doxxing" screenshots (something Chuck doesn't have but I'm sure very much would like) to the mods some days ago via a GHR.

Castelia wrote:Ahahahahaha, I don't mind Chuck exposing my supposed "conflict" with Kafair. I am quite aware it was a stupid move on my part. I apologized to Kafair and made up with him that very same day, so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Also, I am aware that Chuck has been mentioning that event to a lot of people, and he did so with my approval. Not really sure how that's relevant, but okay.

And... you're threatening me? Seriously, now that you can't refute the arguments I bring up, you're resorting to blackmailing me? Wow, Shrew, I always knew you were a dirty scumbag, but you keep sinking even lower in my eyes. Not quite as low as the quisling I've called out in this thread, but still, a good candidate for second place. And like I told to Joco, I have an obligation to share the truth. Your threats are empty to me. Go on, expose the "dirt" I have. I'm quite capable of owning up to stupid shit I've said, and I will apologize. Chuck and I are similar in a lot of ways (our source of friendship! Yay, friend power!), and one thing we have in common is this:

The Chuck wrote:I've made many fuck ups and mistakes across my NS career Jocospor and Shrew. I actually encourage you both to dive into my Discord history and dig up what I've said in days past so that I can own up for them and apologize and move on. Go ahead and lay it all out lads. I've got plenty of time.

I'll be waiting.

It wasn't a threat, I was pointing out the fact that Chuck is happy to broadcast those stupid little things you've done wrong, while the Confederation never has. But it's okay you cuddle up to Chuck. I'll edit it now if it makes you happy, to remove any ambiguity there.

As I've said multiple times, I wasn't personally part of this discussion or even aware it took place until recently, but it's very clear that Jocospor did not consider it a real threat at the time. I find it funny you're trying to call us out on this when Jocospor and Depackya, who were actually present at the discussion and knew what was happening, clearly deduced this wasn't a serious threat, yet apparently you were worried and yet never reported it. From Chuck's screenshots: https://imgur.com/UrE6618

Castelia wrote:

Jocospor wrote:OOC: I think this is something we're all prone to forgetting.

And yet Shrew just tried to threaten me here. Don't forget the potential doxxing of Reppy, too.

I've already said to Chuck that I'm personally not going to go through the Discord server looking for stupid things that have been said in the past:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

The Chuck wrote:I've made many fuck ups and mistakes across my NS career Jocospor and Shrew. I actually encourage you both to dive into my Discord history and dig up what I've said in days past so that I can own up for them and apologize and move on. Go ahead and lay it all out lads. I've got plenty of time.

Jocospor and I have stated multiple times that we aren't doing this, we refuse to stoop down to your level. Frankly, the sooner you return back to obscurity the better.

I probably won't reply to any more of this garbage, I think I've made my point quite clear. If this thread could return to, you know, CCD gameplay, that'd be great.

I'll say the same thing to you too, I'm not going to look through Discord logs to bring up past garbage. I'm not fighting your shit with more shit and frankly I have better things to do with my time.

Jocospor wrote:OOC: This will likely not be believed, but at the time I did not know what doxxing was. The word "doxx" or any variant was not used within the conversation. I perceived no threat, because I assumed that the comments made about Reploid Productions had been obtained by way of their own admission - the previous topic of the conversation had been how the moderators did indeed reveal personal attributes and details to NationStates players.

That, I know, is probably very hard to believe, but if you do actually think about it it checks out. I'm more a Luddite than I am Bill Gates - why would I have brought Chuck in to set up our Discord if I could've done it myself?

If you do not believe me however, that's fine as well. I sent a copy of all these "doxxing" screenshots (something Chuck doesn't have but I'm sure very much would like) to the mods some days ago via a GHR.

This very late proclamation that it was incompetence rather than malice would make things slightly better if true, but would still lead to the same conclusion as if it was malice; You're unfit to lead anything more than a regional roleplay.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:<snip>

When you said, twice, that you were making your final reply earlier... Was that you trying to convince yourself?

Jocospor wrote:OOC: This will likely not be believed, but [snipped for post conciseness]

Honestly this explanation is the one thing that actually does sound believable to me.

Jocospor wrote: -Snip-

This actually is true. I had to sit down with Jocospor and explain what doxxing was since he was unfamiliar with the term after the fact.

The Chuck wrote:

Jocospor wrote: -Snip-

This actually is true. I had to sit down with Jocospor and explain what doxxing was since he was unfamiliar with the term after the fact.

And you having told him what it was, that he didn’t immediately rush off to report it is damning in and of itself on his conduct.

As for Shrew, whining that we’re not taking your ‘reforms’ seriously isn’t going to work. The reason we don’t is because you’ve ignored every single other chance we’ve given you when you asked for fair-mindedness. CCD has thrown every previous request for change back in our faces, and we’re sick of the duplicity.

Yes, it may be an irritating response to get, but it’s one you brought entirely on yourselves. If we’re wrong, it’ll have to be something you prove by your choices.

The Chuck wrote:

Jocospor wrote: -Snip-

This actually is true. I had to sit down with Jocospor and explain what doxxing was since he was unfamiliar with the term after the fact.

In the interest of fairness I feel like this is an important detail that was left out.

The Gilded Star wrote:

The Chuck wrote:
This actually is true. I had to sit down with Jocospor and explain what doxxing was since he was unfamiliar with the term after the fact.

In the interest of fairness I feel like this is an important detail that was left out.

Was reminded of that when Joco said it. Hence why I backed him up with that one. Lots of stuff has happened in the past eight or so months.

To those of you who care:

Below is the official information on what happened in the Confederation these last couple weeks. The FULL details, rather than the biased charade that has been perpetuated by the traitors in the Azure Alliance.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1313556

"Ta ta,"

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