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ShrewLlamaLand wrote:While Chuck's repeated, unfounded attacks on the Confederation mean he does not deserve a personal response, I will issue an official response for the sake of clarity for both Confederation nations and those outside our region.


The "doxxing" evidence Chuck has posted is quite frankly absurd. While I, personally, was not present when this discussion occurred, Jocospor was clearly against any such action as shown in Chuck's screenshots. To my knowledge, this was never discussed again, and no such doxxing attempt was made - we would have stopped it. With regards to these "meetings" in general, note the date; this discussion took place almost one year ago and no further discussion has taken place since. The Confederation's embassies with the mentioned regions have also since been closed.


With regards to the events involving Scherzinger and The Barefoot Anime Girls, I wish to make it clear that I was very strongly against Chuck's actions. After some internal drama, during which both nations decided to leave the Confederation, I contacted Scherzinger to ensure everything was alright personally with both involved, and we parted on good terms. I won't post our conversation here out of respect for their privacy (and personally I'm appalled Chuck decided to drag them into his mess by mentioning them here), but I'd be happy to post this evidence here if Scherzinger and/or The Barefoot Anime Girls so requests.


Frankly, I'm very much over Chuck's attempts to bring himself ten more minutes in the limelight by airing the Confederation's so-called "dirty laundry" - something he has repeatedly tried to blackmail us over - and hope this is the last I have to deal with this garbage.


- ShrewLlamaLand

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:The "doxxing" evidence Chuck has posted is quite frankly absurd. While I, personally, was not present when this discussion occurred, Jocospor was clearly against any such action as shown in Chuck's screenshots. To my knowledge, this was never discussed again, and no such doxxing attempt was made - we would have stopped it. With regards to these "meetings" in general, note the date; this discussion took place almost one year ago and no further discussion has taken place since. The Confederation's embassies with the mentioned regions have also since been closed.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:With regards to the events involving Scherzinger and The Barefoot Anime Girls, I wish to make it clear that I was very strongly against Chuck's actions.

Castelia wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:The "doxxing" evidence Chuck has posted is quite frankly absurd. While I, personally, was not present when this discussion occurred, Jocospor was clearly against any such action as shown in Chuck's screenshots. To my knowledge, this was never discussed again, and no such doxxing attempt was made - we would have stopped it. With regards to these "meetings" in general, note the date; this discussion took place almost one year ago and no further discussion has taken place since. The Confederation's embassies with the mentioned regions have also since been closed.

The fact that such discussions did in fact happen inside the CCD's Discord and the fact that no action was taken to inform the potential victim already speaks volumes about the CCD's response to the situation. I myself have witnessed said conversations and the fact that Jocospor failed to inform NS staff of a potential crime is disgusting. I also wish to disprove the notion that no further discussions took place by the fact that I have approached, and was approached, by senior leaders of several NS far-right regions to participate in various talks of alliances.

Also, I personally closed those embassies you speak of just nearly a week ago. That's not something you can use as an excuse. I am, or rather was, your Secretary of State, so I know what I am talking about.

Castelia wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:With regards to the events involving Scherzinger and The Barefoot Anime Girls, I wish to make it clear that I was very strongly against Chuck's actions.

That doesn't change the fact that you didn't stop it from happening. I am guilty of this as well, and I am ashamed of my actions.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:No such actions were ever taken, as we made sure of - if this was a real threat it would have been dealt with more seriously. We didn't because it wasn't a threat, it was a series of utterly stupid comments made by members of regions we no longer associate with.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:With regards to the closing of embassies, you closed them because you were ordered to by Jocospor and myself. It's not something you can take credit for.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Unfortunately I was too late, I couldn't stop it from happening. Even if I had been present at the time, it would have been futile - Chuck does whatever Chuck pleases as very clearly demonstrated.

But I, personally, did at least check in with them afterwards - I considered it a personal obligation as they were members of my department under the Supreme Judiciary at the time. Did you do anything about it?

Jocospor wrote:Go away, Chuck. I've asked you before, and I'm asking you again. You are the sole perpetuator of this drama.

Prydania wrote:

Jocospor wrote:Go away, Chuck. I've asked you before, and I'm asking you again. You are the sole perpetuator of this drama.

More of that classic Joco "avoiding responsibility" schtick.
Don't blame Chuck for helping expose your many failings and moral lapses.

See CCD faithful? This is why there's no hope for change in your region. The person who has ultimate control cannot seem to take responsibility for his actions. Meaning he cannot learn from his mistakes and improve.

Castelia wrote:And yes, I did do something about it. I apologized and admitted I was wrong, something you're incapable of.

Castelia wrote:I also wish to disprove the notion that no further discussions took place by the fact that I have approached, and was approached, by senior leaders of several NS far-right regions to participate in various talks of alliances.

Yokiria wrote:This is why Liberate CCD was authored and passed. It was a bet by the Security Council that you'd eventually do this. And you are.

Castelia wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:No such actions were ever taken, as we made sure of - if this was a real threat it would have been dealt with more seriously. We didn't because it wasn't a threat, it was a series of utterly stupid comments made by members of regions we no longer associate with.

You're missing the point here, Shrew. My point was that a potential crime could have happened, and yet the CCD took no action. You held no control over the actions of those people. What would have happened if they decided to go ahead with it without your approval? It wasn't a "series of utterly stupid comments" as you downplay it to be, but an actual threat that could have led to serious IRL consequences. That's not something you just lightly dismiss as banter. That's the type of thing you report the moment you saw it.

And I am ashamed, deeply ashamed, of myself that I didn't do the right thing sooner.

Castelia wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:With regards to the closing of embassies, you closed them because you were ordered to by Jocospor and myself. It's not something you can take credit for.

I wasn't taking credit for it, but merely pointing out the fact that you can't use that as an excuse. Those embassies were up all until the day I closed them down.

Castelia wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Unfortunately I was too late, I couldn't stop it from happening. Even if I had been present at the time, it would have been futile - Chuck does whatever Chuck pleases as very clearly demonstrated.

But I, personally, did at least check in with them afterwards - I considered it a personal obligation as they were members of my department under the Supreme Judiciary at the time. Did you do anything about it?

Haha, of course. Classic Shrew: blaming someone else. We discussed this plan over the course of nearly a few weeks. Surely you could have said "no" sometime during those days? And yet all I saw was you making fun of Scher and Haruna.

And yes, I did do something about it. I apologized and admitted I was wrong, something you're incapable of.

The Chuck wrote:

Prydania wrote:More of that classic Joco "avoiding responsibility" schtick.
Don't blame Chuck for helping expose your many failings and moral lapses.

See CCD faithful? This is why there's no hope for change in your region. The person who has ultimate control cannot seem to take responsibility for his actions. Meaning he cannot learn from his mistakes and improve.

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I've made many fuck ups and mistakes across my NS career Jocospor and Shrew. I actually encourage you both to dive into my Discord history and dig up what I've said in days past so that I can own up for them and apologize and move on. Go ahead and lay it all out lads. I've got plenty of time.

The Chuck wrote:

Prydania wrote:More of that classic Joco "avoiding responsibility" schtick.
Don't blame Chuck for helping expose your many failings and moral lapses.

See CCD faithful? This is why there's no hope for change in your region. The person who has ultimate control cannot seem to take responsibility for his actions. Meaning he cannot learn from his mistakes and improve.

^

I've made many fuck ups and mistakes across my NS career Jocospor and Shrew. I actually encourage you both to dive into my Discord history and dig up what I've said in days past so that I can own up for them and apologize and move on. Go ahead and lay it all out lads. I've got plenty of time.

Altino wrote:It becomes more difficult all the time to ascertain who the "bad guys" are here. It's starting to feel just like a brood of bad. Guys, at the end of the day if something bad is going on and you know about it, you should at least attempt to do something about it. Sometimes you are not in a position of power and it is difficult to stop, but if that is the case at least remove yourself from the situation and refuse to support it. If you are in a position of power and still do nothing, then idk. Maybe you are inexperienced and should really recognize that "in charge" is not the right area for you. Or maybe you are one of the bad guys too. This is a lot to take in and I feel worse and worse for the natives suckered into CCD only to be lied to about the kind of region that it is and what they deem acceptable.

Jocospor wrote:

The Chuck wrote:
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I've made many fuck ups and mistakes across my NS career Jocospor and Shrew. I actually encourage you both to dive into my Discord history and dig up what I've said in days past so that I can own up for them and apologize and move on. Go ahead and lay it all out lads. I've got plenty of time.

OOC: I have no interest in fighting shit with shit. With your plenty of time, please go on a nice cruise and forget about us. Thanks.

The Chuck wrote:

Jocospor, Supreme Council, Members of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, and members of the greater NationStates Community.

I had hoped to wait and see if these "reforms" would be real. Unfortunately my dear friends of 2nd Imperial German Reich, Kafair, and Castelia were revealed by Krvava Koupel. It's a sad day indeed but we all were prepared for this eventuality.

Many people wonder why my vendetta with the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators started. It actually started the day I learned of a chat channel called "Meeting-Room-1". This chat room was established around the time right after Jocospor posted his "The Right and NationStates". It was established because Jocospor invited high ranking members of Farkasfalka and other Alt-Right regions within the game to partake in OOC talks. When I obtained administrator I was able to see into this channel and Farkasfalka leadership brought up materials regarding the potential doxxing of Reploid Productions (yes, that Reppy). While Jocospor did not lend his explicit support for this plot, he continued to engage with them after they presented it with full awareness of their proposal. I didn't speak up loud enough at the time and decided to repeatedly remind him that he had to be careful of it as time went on (dumb on my part). However the more I sat on it, the more it ate at my mind. I did go out of my way to file a GHR a few months ago however it was declined since it was a bit hard to read from the staff prospective. I took it that they weren't interested and moved on from it. However recently I learned that they hadn't fully understood what I meant so I refiled a GHR and continued on with my path. I don't expect much to come from these GHRs but I figured since a much beloved NS Staff member was at the core of the issue that I would still file it for the staffs' awareness of these ongoing issues.

Jocospor & I discussing Meeting-Room-1/The Doxxing (To large to post direct):

https://i.imgur.com/dW7lyKB.png

https://i.imgur.com/E9mKAnj.png

A few weeks back, Castelia was talking with our small group and the nation of Depackya (2nd in Command of the CCD and acting Viceroy at the time) was clear cut and admitted to the deletion of the chat rooms where these OOC talks with other Alt-Right region leaderships occurred.

https://i.imgur.com/UrE6618.jpg

Tonight my friends were kicked out of the Confederation for seeking the truth and Depackya took it upon himself to brag a bit. While bragging, he again admitted to all this taking place.

https://i.imgur.com/K1g4oxE.png

Although you are correct Depackya, NS Staff don't react on offsite issues but the NS Community sure as shootin will be interested to learn about this.

To the members of the Confederation. Many of you probably never knew that Jocospor, the target of a minor doxxing attempt himself, would stoop so low as to engage willfully in talks in which a plot to doxx site staff was discussed. I wouldn't expect any of you to know about this unless you were the handful of players who reached out to me to learn the truth and for that, I am thankful that you took it upon yourself to learn the truth and to at least give an open ear and listen. Sure some of you turned your back but hey, at least you tried and that takes some balls.

When I first heard that the TNP-CCD issue caused enough imbalance that there were going to be reforms, I was actually interested but so long as Jocospor possesses leadership of the region, I doubt we will see real hard reform that can't simply be wiped away in an hour. I would encourage members within the CCD to at least let their voices be heard on this matter and not silenced.

Ta, ta.

The Chuck.

South Reinkalistan wrote:OOC:

Oh, for fuck's sake.

I write this forum post in a rushed manner, and in a rather rushed mindset. I love the Confederation and a lot of people in it; but I cannot remain in a region like this in good conscience. I'm sorry, everyone; this region is too much for me. I'm erring on the side of the doxxing scandal being more than a little out-of-order, and I'm personally disgusted by the maintenance of channels with far-right regions.

As seen by my previous history, I've said and done some bad things on NationStates. But I cannot stand by this any longer.

I wish to remain on the CCD discord, if anything. For the record, my time here won't go down badly in my eyes.

Bye, everyone. One last time (I always loved this motto):

Hail the Confederation!

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:OOC:

To the good-willed people of the Confederation,

It has come to my attention that the reforms we are doing, are actually a facade for Jocospor's lackeys to make a Constitution that keeps his power. I am a Reformer, and a Reformer first; I believe that all can change, but Jocospor has taken that chance to change and used to ensure his power! This is a violation of our trust and the people who came in happy for reform!

Because of this, with the backing of several unnamed Confederation Government Members, we declare Jocospor an illegitimate ruler of the Confederation and his entire Supreme Council traitors to the People of the Confederation. We declare the creation of the Azure Alliance!

Long Live the Reformation!
Long Live Decency!
Long Live the True Confederation!

British Norklon wrote:

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:OOC:

To the good-willed people of the Confederation,

It has come to my attention that the reforms we are doing, are actually a facade for Jocospor's lackeys to make a Constitution that keeps his power. I am a Reformer, and a Reformer first; I believe that all can change, but Jocospor has taken that chance to change and used to ensure his power! This is a violation of our trust and the people who came in happy for reform!

Because of this, with the backing of several unnamed Confederation Government Members, we declare Jocospor an illegitimate ruler of the Confederation and his entire Supreme Council traitors to the People of the Confederation. We declare the creation of the Azure Alliance!

Long Live the Reformation!
Long Live Decency!
Long Live the True Confederation!

How long will it be before "Azure Alliance" becomes CCD 2.0? face it every nation within and involved with CCD will be forever tainted by its black heart

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:OOC:

To the good-willed people of the Confederation,

It has come to my attention that the reforms we are doing, are actually a facade for Jocospor's lackeys to make a Constitution that keeps his power. I am a Reformer, and a Reformer first; I believe that all can change, but Jocospor has taken that chance to change and used to ensure his power! This is a violation of our trust and the people who came in happy for reform!

Because of this, with the backing of several unnamed Confederation Government Members, we declare Jocospor an illegitimate ruler of the Confederation and his entire Supreme Council traitors to the People of the Confederation. We declare the creation of the Azure Alliance!

Long Live the Reformation!
Long Live Decency!
Long Live the True Confederation!

Jocospor wrote:

Castelia wrote:I also wish to disprove the notion that no further discussions took place by the fact that I have approached, and was approached, by senior leaders of several NS far-right regions to participate in various talks of alliances.

OOC: That's right. In game alliances. Roleplay. Raiding organisations.

Don't you dare spin that for more than it is, Castelia.

If you've left us now, but have decided to adopt Chuck's line of behaviour and berate us publicly, I'll offer you the same advise: leave us alone.