Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[2nd Imperial German Reich]

Next time we want your advice on how to run our region we'll ask

“We”

Everyone already knows that it’s really you who runs the Confederation, Shrew. Joco May be visibly in charge, but we all know that you are the one pulling the strings.

Thanks for suppressing my confession. I’m honestly surprised you didn’t suppress my other post too, but that’s alright. It’s still on this forum for all CCD members to see. Unless the Supreme Council decides to ban them from the forums again.

[The Chuck]

Next time we want your advice on how to run our region we'll ask

“We”

Everyone already knows that it’s really you who runs the Confederation, Shrew. Joco May be visibly in charge, but we all know that you are the one pulling the strings.

Thanks for suppressing my confession. I’m honestly surprised you didn’t suppress my other post too, but that’s alright. It’s still on this forum for all CCD members to see. Unless the Supreme Council decides to ban them from the forums again.

Later I'll post the telegram that got sent out to the CCD govt. telling them to stay off the forums unless the powers that be signed off on it...

South Reinkalistan didn't get the memo but some could argue he's done a marvellous job damaging the CCD Security Council rep even more than it already is.

[New Rogernomics]

With all these coup attempts these days they don't even bother to hide their real NS names. When will we get to see one use fake names, secret passwords, silly hats, handshakes, marks, or callsigns that are truly worthy of a clandestine secret conspiracy? NS deserves more.

Rating: 1/10

Sincerely,
A Disappointed Player

I look forward to all of those things in the next Lazarus coup

Problem with coups is frequency. If you do it enough to one target everyone expects it. There are so many nations in Lazarus Tubbs could appoint that would like nothing more than to spend all their influence ejecting coupers, even before you get to all the other GCRs so sick of having to intervene in Lazarus they'd move in right away prevent it.

[2nd Imperial German Reich]

I think I should address a telegram I received from Depackya quite recently. I considered answering it in private, however I decided it best to address it publicly. The telegram is linked below:

https://imgur.com/a/8ErZHN4

If there is a notion within the Confederation that I did this for Chuck, it is wrong. I did this on my own free will, and made my own choices along the way. I’ve been planning on leaving for months, and Chuck was the guy who helped me out there. I didn’t leave to be accepted or praised by the broader NS community, I left because I realized that the Confederation was, truly a bad place. I wanted to change, something that the Confederation, in my time there, has never done. The Confederation will not change under Jocospor, Shrew, and the current Supreme Council.

How can you claim to be a healthy OOC region when, in the OOC and offsite discord server, you allow a member of the Supreme Council to suppress somebody, merely because they’re arguing with you? And, even more notable, I ask why are those actions endorsed/ignored by Jocospor?

There is absolutely no balance of power within the Confederation. Both OOC’ly and IC’ly. Members are expected to abide by the word of the Supreme Council even OOC’ly, and in Depackya’s own words, “Although said hierarchy may not apply here in your own mind, it exists none the less. I would advise that you obey it. Russia, wether you like it or not, is above you in this hierarchy, and you will treat him as such in OOC and IC matters.”

As much as Jocospor enjoys saying “Real life first!”, his Supreme Council and his own actions rather contradict that. The Confederation encroaches on your OOC friendships with other nations if said nation is “a traitor to the Confederation”.

There are other problems I have had with the Confederation and it’s current authority, but I won’t discuss that at the moment, as I don’t believe it’s relevant to this specific situation.

I do like to believe that a majority of the Confederation are my friends OOC’ly, but I simply could not stand for the players behind the Supreme Council doing these actions.

[Krvava Koupel]

I think I should address a telegram I received from Depackya quite recently. I considered answering it in private, however I decided it best to address it publicly. The telegram is linked below:

https://imgur.com/a/8ErZHN4

If there is a notion within the Confederation that I did this for Chuck, it is wrong. I did this on my own free will, and made my own choices along the way. I’ve been planning on leaving for months, and Chuck was the guy who helped me out there. I didn’t leave to be accepted or praised by the broader NS community, I left because I realized that the Confederation was, truly a bad place. I wanted to change, something that the Confederation, in my time there, has never done. The Confederation will not change under Jocospor, Shrew, and the current Supreme Council.

How can you claim to be a healthy OOC region when, in the OOC and offsite discord server, you allow a member of the Supreme Council to suppress somebody, merely because they’re arguing with you? And, even more notable, I ask why are those actions endorsed/ignored by Jocospor?

There is absolutely no balance of power within the Confederation. Both OOC’ly and IC’ly. Members are expected to abide by the word of the Supreme Council even OOC’ly, and in Depackya’s own words, “Although said hierarchy may not apply here in your own mind, it exists none the less. I would advise that you obey it. Russia, wether you like it or not, is above you in this hierarchy, and you will treat him as such in OOC and IC matters.”

As much as Jocospor enjoys saying “Real life first!”, his Supreme Council and his own actions rather contradict that. The Confederation encroaches on your OOC friendships with other nations if said nation is “a traitor to the Confederation”.

There are other problems I have had with the Confederation and it’s current authority, but I won’t discuss that at the moment, as I don’t believe it’s relevant to this specific situation.

I do like to believe that a majority of the Confederation are my friends OOC’ly, but I simply could not stand for the players behind the Supreme Council doing these actions.

Respect 100

[Cedoria]

I think I should address a telegram I received from Depackya quite recently. I considered answering it in private, however I decided it best to address it publicly. The telegram is linked below:

https://imgur.com/a/8ErZHN4

If there is a notion within the Confederation that I did this for Chuck, it is wrong. I did this on my own free will, and made my own choices along the way. I’ve been planning on leaving for months, and Chuck was the guy who helped me out there. I didn’t leave to be accepted or praised by the broader NS community, I left because I realized that the Confederation was, truly a bad place. I wanted to change, something that the Confederation, in my time there, has never done. The Confederation will not change under Jocospor, Shrew, and the current Supreme Council.

How can you claim to be a healthy OOC region when, in the OOC and offsite discord server, you allow a member of the Supreme Council to suppress somebody, merely because they’re arguing with you? And, even more notable, I ask why are those actions endorsed/ignored by Jocospor?

There is absolutely no balance of power within the Confederation. Both OOC’ly and IC’ly. Members are expected to abide by the word of the Supreme Council even OOC’ly, and in Depackya’s own words, “Although said hierarchy may not apply here in your own mind, it exists none the less. I would advise that you obey it. Russia, wether you like it or not, is above you in this hierarchy, and you will treat him as such in OOC and IC matters.”

As much as Jocospor enjoys saying “Real life first!”, his Supreme Council and his own actions rather contradict that. The Confederation encroaches on your OOC friendships with other nations if said nation is “a traitor to the Confederation”.

There are other problems I have had with the Confederation and it’s current authority, but I won’t discuss that at the moment, as I don’t believe it’s relevant to this specific situation.

I do like to believe that a majority of the Confederation are my friends OOC’ly, but I simply could not stand for the players behind the Supreme Council doing these actions.

A respectable position that deserves far more respect then it's ever going to get from the CCD and its leadership.

[Francois Isidore]

I think I should address a telegram I received from Depackya quite recently. I considered answering it in private, however I decided it best to address it publicly. The telegram is linked below:

https://imgur.com/a/8ErZHN4

If there is a notion within the Confederation that I did this for Chuck, it is wrong. I did this on my own free will, and made my own choices along the way. I’ve been planning on leaving for months, and Chuck was the guy who helped me out there. I didn’t leave to be accepted or praised by the broader NS community, I left because I realized that the Confederation was, truly a bad place. I wanted to change, something that the Confederation, in my time there, has never done. The Confederation will not change under Jocospor, Shrew, and the current Supreme Council.

How can you claim to be a healthy OOC region when, in the OOC and offsite discord server, you allow a member of the Supreme Council to suppress somebody, merely because they’re arguing with you? And, even more notable, I ask why are those actions endorsed/ignored by Jocospor?

There is absolutely no balance of power within the Confederation. Both OOC’ly and IC’ly. Members are expected to abide by the word of the Supreme Council even OOC’ly, and in Depackya’s own words, “Although said hierarchy may not apply here in your own mind, it exists none the less. I would advise that you obey it. Russia, wether you like it or not, is above you in this hierarchy, and you will treat him as such in OOC and IC matters.”

As much as Jocospor enjoys saying “Real life first!”, his Supreme Council and his own actions rather contradict that. The Confederation encroaches on your OOC friendships with other nations if said nation is “a traitor to the Confederation”.

There are other problems I have had with the Confederation and it’s current authority, but I won’t discuss that at the moment, as I don’t believe it’s relevant to this specific situation.

I do like to believe that a majority of the Confederation are my friends OOC’ly, but I simply could not stand for the players behind the Supreme Council doing these actions.

You’re not the villain here, please remember that. In speaking up for yourself and shedding light upon the grievances you’ve had with the Confederation’s leadership you are not “betraying” the friends you’ve made out-of-character. I know that you didn’t post this for others to praise you, but nonetheless I feel like praise is deserved. It would be much easier for you to remain silent, leave quietly, respect the Supreme Council’s overbearing mandate, and separate yourself from the region whilst keeping your comments to yourself. Even so, you took the high road and said something that need to be said. Not every run-of-the-mill player would be that upstanding; be proud.

[Valentine Z]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=37449665

I'd recommend not suppressing German's RMB post since honestly although he admits guilt, suppressing it just goes to show that these Inquisitional Hearings are indeed simply a ploy and a kangaroo court.

I am a bit late and I frankly don't want to get too involved, but this recent development and the recent post just goes to show that if you so much so as breathe wrongly at CCD, they will not hesitate to label you a traitor and shun you. Even if you are more or less a long-time (237 days of Residency in CCD for German) nation there and have more or less knew the people well... and the fact that German is took a very rational approach to dealing with things.

The "family" that will turn your back on you even outside on the grounds of NSGP. No "We can still keep in touch!"

I would say 2nd Imperial German Reich dodged a bullet though. All the best with your RPs and everything else you do!

/ $ 0.02. This message is not affiliated with the region I am in (TNP), or anyone else. It's my opinion and mine only. I'm also a novice in NSGP, who doesn't like to get too involved.

[Morover]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=37449665

I'd recommend not suppressing German's RMB post since honestly although he admits guilt, suppressing it just goes to show that these Inquisitional Hearings are indeed simply a ploy and a kangaroo court.

I am a bit late and I frankly don't want to get too involved, but this recent development and the recent post just goes to show that if you so much so as breathe wrongly at CCD, they will not hesitate to label you a traitor, even if you are more or less a long-time (237 days of Residency in CCD for German) nation there and have more or less knew the people well... and the fact that German is took a very rational approach to dealing with things.

The "family" that will turn your back on you even outside on the grounds of NSGP.

I would say 2nd Imperial German Reich dodged a bullet though. All the best with everything else you do!

/ $ 0.02

This is nothing new, if you've been paying attention to the actual inner workings of the CCD. While the Inquisitional Hearings can kinda be cool RP, it doesn't work as an OOC tool of judgement.

[Darcania]

You can really smell that commitment to change, eh?

[WayNeacTia]

I am a bit late and I frankly don't want to get too involved, but this recent development and the recent post just goes to show that if you so much so as breathe wrongly at CCD, they will not hesitate to label you a traitor and shun you..

Oh noes! Labeled a traitor and shunned by the CCD. Whatever shall anyone do? I was labelled an enemy of the confederation. It hasn't bothered me, and I haven't lost any sleep over it I can tell you that.

[Syrixia]

@German, that TG from Depackya deeply disturbed me when I read it. It reminded me of an online community I used to be in where I was in your place, trying to leave, and a Depackya figure was trying to guilt me into coming back. Communities like this are like a cult. They guilt you. That's how it always happens when you're close to breaking free; guilting is their last resort.

Word of advice: don't look back, not even for a second. Purge CCD completely from your mind until the bad memories no longer make you feel any pain. Give it time, patience, and determination, and you'll break free.

[South Asians]

-snip-

As a key figure in one of the largest democratic regions of NS. I beg to differ with Depackya's misunderstanding that we aren't going to accept you back into the NS community or in our region. In my opinion everyone deserves a second chance. You joined CCD unaware of their toxic community and when you found out about it you decided to leave and you did the right thing. You will be an inspiration to anyone in NS who have joined similar communities like the CCD and wants to escape from it.

[Valentine Z]

Whatever shall anyone do?

Weep and cry, baby.

Also to take it a bit off-topic, nice avatar! Have been recently watching Futurama lately because I missed out... cultural differences and all that. Hey, TG me if you wanna talk a little. ^^

[The Chuck]

“We”

Everyone already knows that it’s really you who runs the Confederation, Shrew. Joco May be visibly in charge, but we all know that you are the one pulling the strings.

Thanks for suppressing my confession. I’m honestly surprised you didn’t suppress my other post too, but that’s alright. It’s still on this forum for all CCD members to see. Unless the Supreme Council decides to ban them from the forums again.

Later I'll post the telegram that got sent out to the CCD govt. telling them to stay off the forums unless the powers that be signed off on it...

South Reinkalistan didn't get the memo but some could argue he's done a marvellous job damaging the CCD Security Council rep even more than it already is.

As promised, this telegram was sent out about 2.5 months ago.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Multiple CCD members have been proven as fascist. However, despite this, CCD's SC have not taken any actions to remove them.

National Socialism is not Nazism. Fascists are allowed to play NS, too.

Also, the Pacifics are not merely "junk" regions. We each have our own governments and laws, and wield considerable influence in the game. What CCD did was attempt (poorly at that) to coup The North Pacific, which by the way they have admitted to.

A Coalition of Corrupt Dictators is going to included corrupt fascist dictatorships. This fails to address the other elephant in the room: fascism is not National Socialism.

You don't have to be a Nazi to be a fascist. Fascist Portugal and Fascist Spain, and heck, even Fascist Italy, did not round up and exterminate groups for being inferior, or even a threat. Crushing dissidents, beating protestors, and such, these have no ideology. Italy manned zero death camps. Spain manned zero death camps. Hitler did. Hitler ruins everything he touches, fascism included.

Am I a fascist? No, but you don't have to be an ethnic supremacist to be a fascist, nor do you have to round up and exterminate the innocent. At all. That is what differentiates the fascist members of CCD from the actual Nazis of Nazi Europe.

Second, the cancer of Invading, which pretty much ruins everyone's fun when their Regions get shut down, allows for coups d'etat.

Third, the Pacific zones have too much influence. I have said this since I joined NS: one Region, one Vote.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I think I should address a telegram I received from Depackya quite recently. I considered answering it in private, however I decided it best to address it publicly. The telegram is linked below:

https://imgur.com/a/8ErZHN4

THE HORROR! They miss you! They think you betrayed them? How DARE they plea for your return? How dare they seek to forgive you.

How can you claim to be a healthy OOC region when, in the OOC and offsite discord server, you allow a member of the Supreme Council to suppress somebody, merely because they’re arguing with you? And, even more notable, I ask why are those actions endorsed/ignored by Jocospor?

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

This is not a democracy, dude.

There is absolutely no balance of power within the Confederation. Both OOC’ly and IC’ly. Members are expected to abide by the word of the Supreme Council even OOC’ly, and in Depackya’s own words, “Although said hierarchy may not apply here in your own mind, it exists none the less. I would advise that you obey it. Russia, wether you like it or not, is above you in this hierarchy, and you will treat him as such in OOC and IC matters.”

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

The Confederation encroaches on your OOC friendships with other nations if said nation is “a traitor to the Confederation”.

Wait, you mean that they get mad when you betray them and leave for someone else in a way that undermines them (intentional or otherwise)? In the Confederation of Corrupt DICTATORS?

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

Read that again. This is not a democracy. This is not a place where junior members are entitled to a say. You joined a region OF DICTATORS with an AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNANCE, and then you're shocked when they discipline you for getting uppity?

Furthermore, you are shocked when they beg for you to come back because so many people there considered you a friend?

GIVE ME A BREAK.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

You joined CCD unaware of their toxic community and when you found out about it you decided to leave and you did the right thing. You will be an inspiration to anyone in NS who have joined similar communities like the CCD and wants to escape from it.

Disagreeing with you, or rejecting democracy in favor of authoritarianism, is not "toxic behavior". Believing fascism is a good idea does not make you a Nazi, though the two tragically overlap. Supporting an ideology that you believe to be debunked is not "toxic behavior".

There's no "inspiration". I can leave any Region at any time. He betrayed his friends of his own Free Will and the CCD first tried to forgive him, and when he told him to shove the begging up their collective posteriors, they got mad.

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

My gosh. He knew what he was stepping into. It's in the fasting name.

[Pangurstan]

National Socialism is not Nazism. Fascists are allowed to play NS, too.

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/), is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

That TG from Depackya deeply disturbed me when I read it.

Offering to forgive you and wanted you back into a Region where many of its members are your friends? Disturbs you?

It reminded me of an online community I used to be in where I was in your place, trying to leave, and a Depackya figure was trying to guilt me into coming back. Communities like this are like a cult. They guilt you. That's how it always happens when you're close to breaking free; guilting is their last resort.

Give me a break.

Word of advice: don't look back, not even for a second. Purge CCD completely from your mind until the bad memories no longer make you feel any pain. Give it time, patience, and determination, and you'll break free.

What about the pain you caused the members of the CCD by betraying them? What about leaking their content and betraying their trust and privacy in their telegram networks?

Look, I have worked with Chuck and he's a great man, and he has done nothing wrong here. However, the gentleman that betrayed the CCD and turned to Chuck is the one that did wrong. The CCD is a DICTATORSHIP and the DICTATORSHIP'S COUNCIL punished a member that defied it.

In the Confederation of CORRUPT DICTATORS.

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This is a flat-out persecution of the CCD because it is authoritarian and dared to punish someone that betrayed them after their good faith offer to forgive was turned down.

The WA and NS Game Play have a habit of punishing everyone that isn't a left-leaning, liberal democracy. Not even just democracies. Ones that embrace leftism are the ones the community protects.

This is why I don't get into stuff like this. This is why I don't like the World Assembly. My nation, when IC, calls it the "Devil's Congregate".

It is.

[2nd Imperial German Reich]

I think I should address a telegram I received from Depackya quite recently. I considered answering it in private, however I decided it best to address it publicly. The telegram is linked below:

https://imgur.com/a/8ErZHN4

THE HORROR! They miss you! They think you betrayed them? How DARE they plea for your return? How dare they seek to forgive you.

How can you claim to be a healthy OOC region when, in the OOC and offsite discord server, you allow a member of the Supreme Council to suppress somebody, merely because they’re arguing with you? And, even more notable, I ask why are those actions endorsed/ignored by Jocospor?

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

This is not a democracy, dude.

There is absolutely no balance of power within the Confederation. Both OOC’ly and IC’ly. Members are expected to abide by the word of the Supreme Council even OOC’ly, and in Depackya’s own words, “Although said hierarchy may not apply here in your own mind, it exists none the less. I would advise that you obey it. Russia, wether you like it or not, is above you in this hierarchy, and you will treat him as such in OOC and IC matters.”

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

The Confederation encroaches on your OOC friendships with other nations if said nation is “a traitor to the Confederation”.

Wait, you mean that they get mad when you betray them and leave for someone else in a way that undermines them (intentional or otherwise)? In the Confederation of Corrupt DICTATORS?

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

Read that again. This is not a democracy. This is not a place where junior members are entitled to a say. You joined a region OF DICTATORS with an AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNANCE, and then you're shocked when they discipline you for getting uppity?

Furthermore, you are shocked when they beg for you to come back because so many people there considered you a friend?

GIVE ME A BREAK.

Oh, okay. Never expected that the reasons why I left, which was said mostly OOC’ly, would be responded without hostility. Well, let me address some of the things that you said.

THE HORROR! They miss you! They think you betrayed them? How DARE they plea for your return? How dare they seek to forgive you.

Firstly, I never said that I didn’t betray them, nor was I saying anything about them wanting me back besides my statement that I didn’t want to come back.

Wait, you mean that they get mad when you betray them and leave for someone else in a way that undermines them (intentional or otherwise)? In the Confederation of Corrupt DICTATORS?

Secondly, you must not have Actually read the thing you quoted. I never said anything about them being mad that I left it leaked information about them, I said that they would label you a traitor if you talked to a friend who was also labeled a traitor to the Confederation.

CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS

Read that again. This is not a democracy. This is not a place where junior members are entitled to a say. You joined a region OF DICTATORS with an AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNANCE, and then you're shocked when they discipline you for getting uppity?

Furthermore, you are shocked when they beg for you to come back because so many people there considered you a friend?

GIVE ME A BREAK.

I still communicate with nations of the Confederation because they are my friends. Friendships are not bound to a region.

And since when was it acceptable to OOC’ly abuse your power and suppress people arguing with you, again, OOC’ly, just because they role play as dictators?

I’ve never gotten “uppity” in an IC sense. So as such, there would be no reason to discipline me. Maybe I got “uppity” OOC’ly, but that would be if they were abusing their power or just being toxic.

Maybe read the post before you actually respond to it. Your excuse of “oh, it’s a coalition of Corrupt Dictatorships under a corrupt government!” Doesn’t excuse anything they do OOC’ly. Furthermore, I really don’t appreciate your sarcasm.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

National Socialism is not Nazism. Fascists are allowed to play NS, too.

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/), is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party.

A Wikipedia link? Really? I'd prefer the dictionary, please.

National Socialism and fascism have different tenants and responses to groups of people that are either not like them, against them, or both.

Hitler rounded up and exterminated innocents for their "crimes" against him, and simply having the wrong ancestry or performed wicked behavior. Dissidents, clergymen, and, of course, the Jews were all rounded up and exterminated.

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Furthermore, fascists are considered extreme-right for a reason. Classically, the left/right system was built on radicalism in the French Revolution. The rightists were reactionary and wanted to reinstate the old systems and powers. The leftists wanted to tear down and exterminate these ways and build a New World Order around their revolution.

Fascists likewise pined for the "good old days". They co-opted, revived, or created rituals and tradition, culture and values, family and social classes. They directly coalesced with big business, heavy industry, the Church, and all other facets of society, with the fascist government in control, in an "organic structure" intended to startify and direct society to cooperate to the every whim of the government. Those that refused were crushed.

Imperial Japan was extreme-right for different reasons and, to my knowledge, it was not fascist. Like the fascists, it had no desire to destroy society and rebuild a New World Order divorced from every tradition, structure, family, and religion that has ever existed.

Hitler was different.

I entertain the idea that National Socialists are leftist because unlike fascists, Hitler was very clear in what he wanted to do to society. You do not have to be a Marxist or democratic to be a leftist. There is an authoritarian left just like an authoritarian right!

Like the French Revolution, after the Holocaust completed (or, had he won, the Madagascar Plan), Hitler had a hit list.

• Hitler was going to exterminate Christianity (the Kurchenkampf, that is, "Church Struggle"). Clergy that didn't deny the Christ and embrace a bastardized "Christian Identity" cult that was about as sincere as Red Chinese-dictated "churches" that only say what the Party tells them to say. Worse, "Christian Identity" was a facade. Hitler was ultimately going to conclude the Kurchenkampf by abolishing Christianty itself.
• Hitler was going to exterminate the the nuclear family. A quote attributed to a Nazi party member (not neccesarily Hitler himself) is credited with "give me control of a nation's children and I will sew up seeds that cannot be uprooted". Parental values, loyalty to one's bloodline, and personal opinions allowed for anti-Nazism to "fester". Hitler wanted to separate the children from their parents in brainwashing systems. The state was the parent. Hitler was their Father, their Führer, and their lord. (They specifically made kids sing this.)
• Hitler was to exterminate the identities of Europe and Germany herself. It was going to be reinstituted into a new cult, a new set of values, and a New World Order. His bastardized mockery of Germany and the Germans of old was going to be the only acceptable culture in Europe, and every facet of the days of old was going to be gone.

This is not the world a rightist envisions. That worldview is not the mindest of a rightist.

It is a mindset of totalitarian extreme leftism, like Stalin and Juche. Hitler was NOT a Marxist and he was NOT leftist in the moderate sense. Hitler was NOT a Socialist, and he gassed actual Marxists.

The biggest difference between totalitarian extrme leftism (not leftism itself) and any stripe of rightism is what they do with society. Like the French Revolution, totalitarian extreme leftists liek Stalin and Kim Il-Sung, and possibly Hitler (as I have outlined) break down society and build something entirely and totally new.

Rightist co-opt what is, reform what was, and reenforce the old ways that stratified society by class, wealth, and loyalty.

Japan was rightist. Italy was rightist. However, there is a compelling argument that Hitler wasn't. Hitler's goals and mindset were like that of the Cult of Reason and the most extreme people in the French Revolution. That is why you can say he's a leftist.

Fascism is not National Socialism. The Horseshoe Theory is real, gentlemen.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

You can really smell that commitment to change, eh?

The CCD has no obligation to change, nor should it.

And since when was it acceptable to OOC’ly abuse your power and suppress people arguing with you, again, OOC’ly, just because they role play as dictators?

The CCD is authoritarian in-character and out. It clearly has people that actually believe in authoritarian governance.

I’ve never gotten “uppity” in an IC sense. So as such, there would be no reason to discipline me. Maybe I got “uppity” OOC’ly, but that would be if they were abusing their power or just being toxic.

Here in NS, Regions, and men, can and do discipline people for OOC reasons. Some Regions are entirely ideological and they will expel, or condemn, people that don't think like them.

Should an Atheist Region, committed to Atheism and opposed to organized religion, and run by people that are Atheists in RL, who outline very clearly that they only accept other Atheists, not be allowe to expel people that shill for organized religion? Should an Atheist Region not be allowed to expel a religious adherent trying to share their religion, even if their nation is Atheist when IC?

Should a religious Region where no one swears expel a person who in OOC postings curses like a sailor? Even if his NS nation and his IC posts are not expletive, why shouldn't they be allowed to control OOC speech on and about their Region?

Maybe read the post before you actually respond to it. Your excuse of “oh, it’s a coalition of Corrupt Dictatorships under a corrupt government!”

Yes it does. Their bylaws, their Supreme Council, their expectations and issuance of an oath you sworte to. are all public knowledge and clearly outlined.

You joined a dictorial society with a dictorial governance and then (GASP!) they actually punish you when you defy what you committed to serve? That "smoking gun" telegram said YOU SWORE AN OATH.

Then, when you complained because they expelled you after you rejected their offer of forgiveness, all of NS dog-piled on them because they can't stand successful Regions that don't think like them. This in turn led to the typical persecution of Regions and people who have "wrong think".

Do I agree with the CCD? No, I don't play Regional governance for a reason. Am I ideologically aligned with the CCD? Not too much, but I'll send them an embassy to support them against WA tyranny and persecution. My leadership style is dictorial, but my NS nation is not. I also support an absolute right of dissent.

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This is my conclusion and final post for the time being.

The CCD has done nothing wrong. Chuck has done nothing wrong. Heck, you did nothing wrong in accordance with the bylaws of NS, but you DID swear an oath. You broke it. If you had asked them about it, or announced your departure, I doubt they'd have labelled you a traitor.

Even if they did, what are they going to do to you? Cry on a chat room? Commit a banning offense by spamming you? If you got blackballed, you deserved what you got. Shake it off and move on with your life. Take joy out of hurting them if that's your scene. The CCD have no power outside their Region, nor should they.

Oh noes! Labeled a traitor and shunned by the CCD. Whatever shall anyone do? I was labelled an enemy of the confederation. It hasn't bothered me, and I haven't lost any sleep over it I can tell you that.

The gentleman I quoted right here is right.

If you don't want a Region interfering in what you say and do, go to one that doesn't have Regional governance or strict rules. Like Valkia!

[Sedgistan]

We've got a whole massive General forum if you want to debate non-gameplay related stuff.

[2nd Imperial German Reich]

And since when was it acceptable to OOC’ly abuse your power and suppress people arguing with you, again, OOC’ly, just because they role play as dictators?

The CCD is authoritarian in-character and out. It clearly has people that actually believe in authoritarian sense.

Obviously they are. However you must not pay attention to the fact that the CCD claims only to rp as dictatorships. They claim that they aren’t authoritarian OOC’ly either. So this claim is just total BS.

I’ve never gotten “uppity” in an IC sense. So as such, there would be no reason to discipline me. Maybe I got “uppity” OOC’ly, but that would be if they were abusing their power or just being toxic.

Here in NS, Regions, and men, can and do discipline people for OOC reasons. Some Regions are entirely ideological and they will expel, or condemn, people that don't think like them.

Again, the CCD claims hat they aren’t authoritarian OOC’ly. Also, punishment for OOC behavior is something called meta gaming, which isn’t allowed in serious role play regions.

Should an Atheist Region, committed to Atheism and opposed to organized religion, and run by people that are Atheists in RL, who outline very clearly that they only accept other Atheists, not be allowe to expel people that shill for organized religion? Should an Atheist Region not be allowed to expel a religious adherent trying to share their religion, even if their nation is Atheist when IC?

Again, the CCD claims to not be authoritarian OOC’ly. You’re acting as if I said that I had something against the CCD for being IC dictatorships. You are also acting as if the CCD claims that they are OOC dictorial.

You are entirely misunderstanding the situation. I left because I saw genuine problems with the Confederation and decided to expose them.

Should a religious Region where no one swears expel a person who in OOC postings curses like a sailor? Even if his NS nation and his IC posts are not expletive, why shouldn't they be allowed to control OOC speech on and about their Region?

Because, “control OOC speech”, as you call it, is called censorship in relation to this situation. I understand if someone swore continuously in an OOC manner, but this analogy literally has nothing to do with this. If didn’t violate their discord rules, I spoke out against them publicly.

Maybe read the post before you actually respond to it. Your excuse of “oh, it’s a coalition of Corrupt Dictatorships under a corrupt government!”

Yes it does. Their bylaws, their Supreme Council, their expectations and issuance of an oath you sworte to. are all public knowledge and clearly outlined.

You joined a dictorial society with a dictorial governance and then (GASP!) they actually punish you when you defy what you committed to serve? That "smoking gun" telegram said YOU SWORE AN OATH.

Maybe IC’ly, but I swore no oath to the Confederation OOC’ly. The apparently controversial Oath wasn’t even for my current position at the time. I never swore an oath to be an ambassador of the Confederation. I served the oath I said before, and finished serving that oath when that position was handed to somebody else. There was no oath I had to serve at the time.

Then, when you complained because they expelled you after you rejected their offer of forgiveness, all of NS dog-piled on them because they can't stand successful Regions that don't think like them. This in turn led to the typical persecution of Regions and people who have "wrong think".

I don’t recall ever complaining. Hell, If I recall I said that I didn’t care what they did. All of NS didn’t dogpile on them because their success as a role play region, but because of the OOC community and the OOC problems that I showed to the world.

Do I agree with the CCD? No, I don't play Regional governance for a reason. Am I ideologically aligned with the CCD? No, but I'll send them an embassy to support them against WA tyranny and persecution.

The CCD has done nothing wrong. Chuck has done nothing wrong. Heck, you did nothing wrong in accordance with the bylaws of NS, but you DID swear an oath. You broke it. If you had asked them about it, or announced your departure, I doubt they'd have labelled you a traitor.

Never swore an oath recently. I swore an oath to the position of Bead of Political Communications, but not as an ambassador to non-aligned regions. And as such, after that position went, I was no longer obligated to follow that oath. I actually did announce my departure too, which many CCD members acknowledged and some even respected.

Even if they did, what are they going to you? Cry on a chat room? Commit a banning offense by spamming you?

The CCD have no power outside their Region, nor should they.

If you don't want a Region interfering in what you say and do, go to one that doesn't have Regional governance or strict rules. Like Valkia!

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I never cared what the CCD did to me. I don’t know where you’re getting these ideas of me, but they’re clearly wrong. Maybe if You asked more about the situation, you’d have realized that I made amends with the CCD members that I am friends with, and others that I wronged during my time in the CCD.

A lot of your accusations are unfounded. You should probably do a bit more research into the situation rather than ranting and rambling you’d have realized that things that you suggested I had done were actually done, or things that you said I did never happened in the first place.