Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I'm not. Anyone in the WA is entitled to run a counter-campaign. While the contents of this counter-campaign were untrue, this was not the major issue and resulted in about six Delegates removing their approval.

However, as a member of TNP I'm not surprised you've decided to focus on the insignificant counter-campaign when your region was part of raids that collectively removed over 70 approvals.

Do you think it might be because you tried to coup TNP, you went after TBH's condemn, and y'all are Nazis? I mean I'm not terribly familiar with your region, but those things might have something to do with it.

The TNP coup? Honestly, that probably contributed, although the continued focus on this terrible coup attempt is misguided. I was personally never involved, and the two nations who actually infiltrated TNP were removed from their roles as regional officers and now reside in another region.

With regards to your other two suggestions, they're demonstrably false. My draft repealing TBH's Condemn was posted after the first raid had occured. We aren't Nazis, not even close.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Ah yes, I am quite glad that you brought up our military undertakings as of late. The activities of which are very hidden and are kept extremely quiet. Actually, wait. No, scratch that. ... Luckily for you all of our military reports are available for public viewing! You don’t even have to have an account on the forums - isn’t it great?! Now then, if you’ll look here, here, here, and here you can see every single deployment. This is no cover up, but if it was that’d sure fit your narrative nicely now wouldn’t it? Hopefully now you see why characterizing it as such doesn’t exactly work in your favour.

I don't really know what you want me to say here. Just because it's policy to post every operation in the corners of TNP's private forum doesn't mean they're out advertising their actions.

Bruh. That's not a cover-up, as per the definition "an attempt to prevent people's discovering the truth about a serious mistake or crime." They made no attempts to cover up what they're doing, they just did what they always did. Dumping information in their forum. They didn't try it to cover it up, you simply didn't look for it. That's why folks, read the boring government documents!

[Mallorea and Riva]

Do you think it might be because you tried to coup TNP, you went after TBH's condemn, and y'all are Nazis? I mean I'm not terribly familiar with your region, but those things might have something to do with it.

The TNP coup? Honestly, that probably contributed, although the continued focus on this terrible coup attempt is misguided. I was personally never involved, and the two nations who actually infiltrated TNP were removed from their roles as regional officers and now reside in another region.

With regards to your other two suggestions, they're demonstrably false. My draft repealing TBH's Condemn was posted after the first raid had occured. We aren't Nazis, not even close.

I mean we all know you're Nazis, a passing observer of even the meanest intelligence can glance at your embassy list and put 2 and 2 together. You're Nazis, but Nazis without the confidence to own it.

The other two points were really ancillary. Y'all being Nazis is the root cause here. There's no need to dance around it.

[Prydania]

The TNP coup? Honestly, that probably contributed, although the continued focus on this terrible coup attempt is misguided. I was personally never involved, and the two nations who actually infiltrated TNP were removed from their roles as regional officers and now reside in another region.

Joco was overseeing the coup attempt. What's his punishment been? Aside from your region rallying around him to try and get him into SecGen?

We aren't Nazis, not even close.

You have a history of allying with Nazi regions.
Your Discord has a history of being rife with antisemitic, homophobic, racist, and even blatantly neo-Nazi-esque content. All one has to do is scour this thread to find that info.

I've heard from people who know you that you and Joco aren't Nazis, that you're just edgy right wing guys who enjoy having an in-game cult. Maybe that's true, I don't know you aside from what you and your region chooses to present.
Of that information? I could call you many things. Tacitly supporting Nazism is one of them.

[Castelia]

The TNP coup? Honestly, that probably contributed, although the continued focus on this terrible coup attempt is misguided. I was personally never involved, and the two nations who actually infiltrated TNP were removed from their roles as regional officers and now reside in another region.

Yeah, that's true, but Jocospor still hasn't gotten his just desserts, and TNP is looking to serve it up, cold.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

The TNP coup? Honestly, that probably contributed, although the continued focus on this terrible coup attempt is misguided. I was personally never involved, and the two nations who actually infiltrated TNP were removed from their roles as regional officers and now reside in another region.

Joco was overseeing the coup attempt. What's his punishment been? Aside from your region rallying around him to try and get him into SecGen?

Jocospor stepped down as WA Delegate.

We aren't Nazis, not even close.

You have a history of allying with Nazi regions.
Your Discord has a history of being rife with antisemitic, homophobic, racist, and even blatantly neo-Nazi-esque content. All one has to do is scour this thread to find that info.

I've heard from people who know you that you and Joco aren't Nazis, that you're just edgy right wing guys who enjoy having an in-game cult. Maybe that's true, I don't know you aside from what you and your region chooses to present.
Of that information? I could call you many things. Tacitly supporting Nazism is one of them.

Our Discord was poorly moderated in the past. The vast majority of this content was posted in the #irl-politics channel that was originally implemented by The Chuck.

Jocospor and I recently reformed our Discord rules to prevent this in future, disciplined or removed all nations involved, and removed the channel containing most of the offensive content you're referencing. As you correctly stated, neither myself, Jocospor, or anyone else in CCD leadership has ever participated in these posts.

With regards to your claim that we're "edgy right wing guys", that's also false, I've repeatedly stated my in-game views are nowhere close to my real-life political views.
In real-life I'm centre-left. I used to answer issues in this way, and even my nation's stats reflect this: ShrewLlamaLand

[The Gilded Star]

Can you give me a single instance where something I've said in a public campaign on behalf of the CCD has been blatantly untrue?

Honestly, not in a way that you'd ever agree with. I'm not sure if it's worth citing an example because we'd end up just arguing in circles. Let's just say there's two very different opinions on why CCD gets carpet-bombed by so many other factions in the game, and neither sees the other as valid.

What you're saying is that I've called out the WA Elite so many times so they've decided to come and try to silence me? I'll take that as an honour.

Calling them out? Nah. Again, they'd laugh at strongly worded letters. Attempting to repeal a TBH badge and insinuating that TNP's sovereignty may come under threat again? That's probably what got their attention.

I trust you've also compiled the full list of 85 approving Delegates to come to this conclusion?

Given I have done this, and also had contact with a decent number of those who approved, my experience is very different to what you're claiming.

All 85, no, especially since so many of them got displaced without me having a way to go back to see who they were. Nor did I document the ones I did look at, but I was able to identify CCD allies and the "approve everything" types pretty easily since they stand out.

As for the others? Since CCDs rides a lot on "we've had tons of private anonymous support", I can't really prove or disprove the specifics for obvious reasons. I can say from personal familiarity with some of the names, they're definitely the type to throw passionate support behind a cause- but what that cause is tends to change 3 times a day, sometimes in support of whatever they were vehemently opposing 6 hours ago.

[Cedoria]

Our Discord was poorly moderated in the past. The vast majority of this content was posted in the #irl-politics channel that was originally implemented by The Chuck.

Jocospor and I recently reformed our Discord rules to prevent this in future, disciplined or removed all nations involved, and removed the channel containing most of the offensive content you're referencing. As you correctly stated, neither myself, Jocospor, or anyone else in CCD leadership has ever participated in these posts.

With regards to your claim that we're "edgy right wing guys", that's also false, I've repeatedly stated my in-game views are nowhere close to my real-life political views.
In real-life I'm centre-left. I used to answer issues in this way, and even my nation's stats reflect this: ShrewLlamaLand

Polite way of saying "we have a bunch of fashies in our region but don't wanna do anything about it."

And no sane centre-left person wants that crap in there Discord, so forgive me if I'm unimpressed by that defence.

[Cedoria]

As people have likely noticed, my proposal "Condemn The World Assembly Elite "failed" to make quorum.

snip.

That's called 'voting down a crap proposal.'

It happens a lot when you keep writing them. Maybe don't do that? You might get better results.

[Visorax]

private anonymous support

This sounds like a bunch of spies in GCRs planning another coup. GCR delegates, please check your citizens.

[Prydania]

Joco was overseeing the coup attempt. What's his punishment been? Aside from your region rallying around him to try and get him into SecGen?

Jocospor stepped down as WA Delegate.

Joco retains the Founder role. As such he's still essentially in command. Even if you wanted to truly reform things? He could undo it all with a few clicks on a whim.

Now I understand that Founders are impossible to get rid of if they don't CTE. That being said Shrew, you're a pretty big player in the CCD. Your word carries an impressive amount of weight. If you were truly blindsided by Joco's role in attempting to coup TNP (which, again, is my home region...it's why I take it as seriously as I do) you could have led the charge to found a new region and left Joco leading a husk of the CCD.
A lot of ex-CCDers actually did that, but I have to think your involvement in setting up a new region no longer within Joco's reach would have made it clear you and everyone else weren't going to tolerate Joco's blatant attacks on another region's sovereignty.

Instead you stayed, continued to promote the CCD's regime, and supported Joco for SecGen in the election. Doesn't seem like Joco's suffered much for his leading role in trying to undermine TNP's sovereign and democratically elected government.

Our Discord was poorly moderated in the past. The vast majority of this content was posted in the #irl-politics channel that was originally implemented by The Chuck.

Jocospor and I recently reformed our Discord rules to prevent this in future, disciplined or removed all nations involved, and removed the channel containing most of the offensive content you're referencing. As you correctly stated, neither myself, Jocospor, or anyone else in CCD leadership has ever participated in these posts.

With regards to your claim that we're "edgy right wing guys", that's also false, I've repeatedly stated my in-game views are nowhere close to my real-life political views.
In real-life I'm centre-left. I used to answer issues in this way, and even my nation's stats reflect this: ShrewLlamaLand

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere...
If you're truly a "centre-left" guy then the fact that you think LARPing as Nazis and fascists is all kinds of messed up.
Again, if you log into WoW (I just dated myself) and you wanna play Horde because you like orcs or the Undead, or just think the aesthetic is cool, knock yourself out. The Horde isn't real. The Horde has committed exactly zero real life atrocities (unless we count Blizz's declining writing quality )

Nazism and fascism, however, are responsible for millions of deaths and the start of the most destructive wars in human history. You're not LARPing as the Horde or Klingons or [insert made-up badguy faction here]. You're actively promoting real ideologies that were responsible for war and industrialized genocide.

You can't be so naive to act surprised when people, especially people whose families have been effected by all of that (such as myself) take such a harsh view of you for your """IC""" actions.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Can you give me a single instance where something I've said in a public campaign on behalf of the CCD has been blatantly untrue?

Honestly, not in a way that you'd ever agree with. I'm not sure if it's worth citing an example because we'd end up just arguing in circles. Let's just say there's two very different opinions on why CCD gets carpet-bombed by so many other factions in the game, and neither sees the other as valid.

So what you're saying is "no".

What you're saying is that I've called out the WA Elite so many times so they've decided to come and try to silence me? I'll take that as an honour.

Calling them out? Nah. Again, they'd laugh at strongly worded letters. Attempting to repeal a TBH badge and insinuating that TNP's sovereignty may come under threat again? That's probably what got their attention.

I trust you've also compiled the full list of 85 approving Delegates to come to this conclusion?

Given I have done this, and also had contact with a decent number of those who approved, my experience is very different to what you're claiming.

All 85, no, especially since so many of them got displaced without me having a way to go back to see who they were. Nor did I document the ones I did look at, but I was able to identify CCD allies and the "approve everything" types pretty easily since they stand out.

As for the others? Since CCDs rides a lot on "we've had tons of private anonymous support", I can't really prove or disprove the specifics for obvious reasons. I can say from personal familiarity with some of the names, they're definitely the type to throw passionate support behind a cause- but what that cause is tends to change 3 times a day, sometimes in support of whatever they were vehemently opposing 6 hours ago.

I linked screenshots there in my first post containing the vast majority of them. Some of these approvals were indeed CCD allies and "approve everything" Delegates. Most were not.

Based on what you're implying, every single nation that sends a campaign telegram would easily get their proposal to quorum. This isn't true.

Polite way of saying "we have a bunch of fashies in our region but don't wanna do anything about it."

And no sane centre-left person wants that crap in there Discord, so forgive me if I'm unimpressed by that defence.

If you must know, personally, I was never very active on our Discord server until recently. I'm also the one who suggested removing the offending channel.

That's called 'voting down a crap proposal.'

It happens a lot when you keep writing them. Maybe don't do that? You might get better results.

Yes, five GCRs getting together with TBH to raid 70 regions and displace their WA Delegates is "voting down a crap proposal". Got it.

[Blood Wine]

It's kind of disgusting to keep going to bat for fascists but you know what? Not even surprised.

You're not someone I want to take lessons on morality from.

This is a member of Farkasfalka aka “We aren’t fascist! We just have fascists and support fascists!”

So long as our cooperation with the CCD is beneficial for us we don't plan on denting those relations.

And, as needed, Farkasfalka as a region does not adhere to nor enforce fascism.

You're tagged fascist, you have fascist embassies, you have fascists in your region,you offer a platform for far right discussion

....you're not fascist tho?

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Jocospor stepped down as WA Delegate.

Joco retains the Founder role. As such he's still essentially in command. Even if you wanted to truly reform things? He could undo it all with a few clicks on a whim.

Now I understand that Founders are impossible to get rid of if they don't CTE. That being said Shrew, you're a pretty big player in the CCD. Your word carries an impressive amount of weight. If you were truly blindsided by Joco's role in attempting to coup TNP (which, again, is my home region...it's why I take it as seriously as I do) you could have led the charge to found a new region and left Joco leading a husk of the CCD.
A lot of ex-CCDers actually did that, but I have to think your involvement in setting up a new region no longer within Joco's reach would have made it clear you and everyone else weren't going to tolerate Joco's blatant attacks on another region's sovereignty.

I think you'll find that those ex-CCD nations who founded a new region did so with those two players responsible for infiltrating TNP. They clearly don't share your outrage.

Our Discord was poorly moderated in the past. The vast majority of this content was posted in the #irl-politics channel that was originally implemented by The Chuck.

Jocospor and I recently reformed our Discord rules to prevent this in future, disciplined or removed all nations involved, and removed the channel containing most of the offensive content you're referencing. As you correctly stated, neither myself, Jocospor, or anyone else in CCD leadership has ever participated in these posts.

With regards to your claim that we're "edgy right wing guys", that's also false, I've repeatedly stated my in-game views are nowhere close to my real-life political views.
In real-life I'm centre-left. I used to answer issues in this way, and even my nation's stats reflect this: ShrewLlamaLand

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere...
If you're truly a "centre-left" guy then the fact that you think LARPing as Nazis and fascists is all kinds of messed up.
Again, if you log into WoW (I just dated myself) and you wanna play Horde because you like orcs or the Undead, or just think the aesthetic is cool, knock yourself out. The Horde isn't real. The Horde has committed exactly zero real life atrocities (unless we count Blizz's declining writing quality )

Nazism and fascism, however, are responsible for millions of deaths and the start of the most destructive wars in human history. You're not LARPing as the Horde or Klingons or [insert made-up badguy faction here]. You're actively promoting real ideologies that were responsible for war and industrialized genocide.

You can't be so naive to act surprised when people, especially people whose families have been effected by all of that (such as myself) take such a harsh view of you for your """IC""" actions.

I could say the same about communism, which was also responsible for millions of deaths and the start of some of the most destructive wars in human history.

You'll note my nation is neither a fascist nor Nazi nation. Some of the nations in our region are roleplaying as such, but as long as it doesn't extend past roleplay I really don't see a problem with it - ultimately NationStates is a political simulator game. Now, if someone was very outspoken stating real life antisematic views or similar in the CCD, I promise you they wouldn't last here very long.

[Prydania]

I think you'll find that those ex-CCD nations who founded a new region did so with those two players responsible for infiltrating TNP. They clearly don't share your outrage.

You're dodging the question of Joco's responsibility in your failed coup attempt of TNP. When will Joco face actual consequences for his actions?

Some of the nations in our region are roleplaying as such, but as long as it doesn't extend past roleplay I really don't see a problem with it

I explained what the problem is. FFS, I wrote a RP Seminar on the problem.

[Blood Wine]

I think you'll find that those ex-CCD nations who founded a new region did so with those two players responsible for infiltrating TNP. They clearly don't share your outrage.

You're dodging the question of Joco's responsibility in your failed coup attempt of TNP. When will Joco face actual consequences for his actions?

Some of the nations in our region are roleplaying as such, but as long as it doesn't extend past roleplay I really don't see a problem with it

I explained what the problem is. FFS, I wrote a RP Seminar on the problem.

You did? link it

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I think you'll find that those ex-CCD nations who founded a new region did so with those two players responsible for infiltrating TNP. They clearly don't share your outrage.

You're dodging the question of Joco's responsibility in your failed coup attempt of TNP. When will Joco face actual consequences for his actions?

I don't really know what more you want me to tell you here? Yes, Jocospor was involved?

Some of the nations in our region are roleplaying as such, but as long as it doesn't extend past roleplay I really don't see a problem with it

I explained what the problem is. FFS, I wrote a RP Seminar on the problem.

Okay, will you admit that nations roleplaying communist governments suffer from the same problem? Why aren't they held to the same standard?

I could say the same about communism, which was also responsible for millions of deaths and the start of some of the most destructive wars in human history.

[The New California Republic]

You're dodging the question of Joco's responsibility in your failed coup attempt of TNP. When will Joco face actual consequences for his actions?

I don't really know what more you want me to tell you here? Yes, Jocospor was involved?

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

Make your mind up for fuck's sake.

[Prydania]

I don't really know what more you want me to tell you here? Yes, Jocospor was involved?

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

Make your mind up for fuck's sake.

I can say with certainty that Joco was intimately involved.

I don't really know what more you want me to tell you here? Yes, Jocospor was involved?

So...at what point does he face real, actual consequences for his actions? When do you and these alleged good people in the CCD go "Joco, you tried to coup the sovereign government of another region, we don't approve, we're out"?

Instead you championed his campaign for SecGen. Seems to me that while you had no role in the attempted TNP coup? You're very much ok with Joco having attempted it. And that's a problem. Both for me as a TNPer and you, considering you're trying to make TNP out to be a big bad baddie for "subverting WA democracy."

You don't get to claim that when you willingly canvas for the guy who tried to usurp TNP's democratically elected government.

So just in case you didn't get that? What I'd like to see you say is "you're right, Joco fucked up, and I'm done with him."
I know you won't though. That would take actual conviction. And your entire MO has been "avoid responsibility for wrongdoing, try to have your cake and eat it too."

Okay, will you admit that nations roleplaying communist governments suffer from the same problem? Why aren't they held to the same standard?

Communism and fascism (Nazism included) are both abhorrent ideologies with the blood of millions on their hands. Communism should be condemned on its own merits, and fascism should be condemned on its own merits. One does not need to drag one into a discussion about the other, and that is usually done by people arguing in bad faith.

[Prydania]

I explained what the problem is. FFS, I wrote a RP Seminar on the problem.

You did? link it

https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9191065/

https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9191542/

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1302616

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Make your mind up for fuck's sake.

I can say with certainty that Joco was intimately involved.

Involved, yes. Actually responsible for infiltrating TNP, no.

I don't really know what more you want me to tell you here? Yes, Jocospor was involved?

So...at what point does he face real, actual consequences for his actions? When do you and these alleged good people in the CCD go "Joco, you tried to coup the sovereign government of another region, we don't approve, we're out"?

Instead you championed his campaign for SecGen. Seems to me that while you had no role in the attempted TNP coup? You're very much ok with Joco having attempted it. And that's a problem. Both for me as a TNPer and you, considering you're trying to make TNP out to be a big bad baddie for "subverting WA democracy."

You don't get to claim that when you willingly canvas for the guy who tried to usurp TNP's democratically elected government.

The TNP did subvert WA democracy. What the CCD did many months ago doesn't excuse what TNP did yesterday.

Explain to me how a (failed) attempted coup by the CCD months ago means that TNP is innocent when they've infiltrating dozens of other, unaffiliated regions just for approving a proposal. Most of these regions were not even our allies; they're random regions with which we've never even had contact with before, they just happened to agree with my message against the WA Elite.

How does a failed coup by our region justify your region going along and knocking off the Delegate in dozens of other innocent regions? Explain that to me.

Okay, will you admit that nations roleplaying communist governments suffer from the same problem? Why aren't they held to the same standard?

Communism and fascism (Nazism included) are both abhorrent ideologies with the blood of millions on their hands. Communism should be condemned on its own merits, and fascism should be condemned on its own merits. One does not need to drag one into a discussion about the other, and that is usually done by people arguing in bad faith.

Okay, good, that's fair.

Why then are you so against the CCD, but don't speak out against other large regions like The Communist Bloc or The Leftist Assembly, both of which openly roleplay as communist nations?

[The New California Republic]

I can say with certainty that Joco was intimately involved.

Involved, yes. Actually responsible for infiltrating TNP, no.

Splitting hairs. He ordered it and oversaw it all.

[Prydania]

I can say with certainty that Joco was intimately involved.

Involved, yes. Actually responsible for infiltrating TNP, no.

He planned, oversaw, ordered, and directed it. Don't know what to tell ya.

The TNP did subvert WA democracy. What the CCD did many months ago doesn't excuse what TNP did yesterday.

Explain to me how a (failed) attempted coup by the CCD months ago means that TNP is innocent when they've infiltrating dozens of other, unaffiliated regions just for approving a proposal. Most of these regions were not even our allies; they're random regions with which we've never even had contact with before, they just happened to agree with my message against the WA Elite.

How does a failed coup by our region justify your region going along and knocking off the Delegate in dozens of other innocent regions? Explain that to me.

I'm not the Minister of Defence, I can't speak to the specifics of that operation, but you were provided links to see all of the relevant deployment info. You don't even need to register on our forum to see them.

Regarding the specifics? As someone who was not involved in any of that in any way? I'd say that you tried to subvert our democracy (the things Joco said when he thought no one was looking...geeze) and attempted to infiltrate us twice. You've continuously attacked us, degraded us in your rhetoric, and generally acted antagonistic towards us.
I understand this is a foreign concept for the CCD, but your actions have consequences.

Communism and fascism (Nazism included) are both abhorrent ideologies with the blood of millions on their hands. Communism should be condemned on its own merits, and fascism should be condemned on its own merits. One does not need to drag one into a discussion about the other, and that is usually done by people arguing in bad faith.

Okay, good, that's fair.

I can only imagine you've thought I'm some Manifesto-thumping Marxist. I was, until I moved to the US for work, a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada. I'm a Red Tory specifically, if that term means anything to you. I'm as centrist and unexciting politically as possible.
To be fair, I don't know what your assumptions about my politics were before this, but your response there read like you thought I was a socialist. And tbf? I have had people, including a few from your region, accuse me of being a socialist merely because I told them "fascism's bad, m'kay?"
Fuckin' nationalists these days. To them you're either marching with tiki torches or you're a degenerate Marxist.

Why then are you so against the CCD, but don't speak out against other large regions like The Communist Bloc or The Leftist Assembly, both of which openly roleplay as communist nations?

Neither The Communist Bloc or The Leftist Assembly creates spectacle after spectacle in the WA trying to promote themselves or their ideology, now do they? Neither of them have run candidates for SecGen, and cry about it everywhere when their candidates lose. Neither of them go on and on and on and on and on and on about the WA Elite. Neither of them have a bad habit of crashing spectacularly in public and then doubling down while denying all responsibility.

Don't get confused. I find communism and fascism equally reprehensible, but in terms of NS gameplay? The CCD and its fascist wankery stands alone.

[Jocospor]

The TNP coup? Honestly, that probably contributed, although the continued focus on this terrible coup attempt is misguided. I was personally never involved, and the two nations who actually infiltrated TNP were removed from their roles as regional officers and now reside in another region.

Yeah, that's true, but Jocospor still hasn't gotten his just desserts, and TNP is looking to serve it up, cold.

Well you know that sounds like a plan to me because I've always simply adored ice cream.

[Custadia]

Neither The Communist Bloc or The Leftist Assembly creates spectacle after spectacle in the WA trying to promote themselves or their ideology, now do they? Neither of them have run candidates for SecGen, and cry about it everywhere when their candidates lose. Neither of them go on and on and on and on and on and on about the WA Elite. Neither of them have a bad habit of crashing spectacularly in public and then doubling down while denying all responsibility.

Don't get confused. I find communism and fascism equally reprehensible, but in terms of NS gameplay? The CCD and its fascist wankery stands alone.

You do know that the outgoing gensec is Caelepes, aka Misley, right? A prominent figure in the NSLeft who ran on a extreme leftist platform?

Maybe you people should stop giving the fash the time of day. You're not slaying some dragon by challenging them, you know.