Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[Nakena]

For the sake of transparency, I'm posting this as Audio the player who supported the Val Z / NS Sport ticket, not Audio the mod.

What happened was a result of tactical voting, which was possible due to the fact that vote tallies were visible during the election. If you consider tactical voting to be 'vote rigging' then that's fine, but you also have to appreciate that that's a niche viewpoint which isn't shared by most people (citation needed). Tactical voting is a symptom of certain democratic systems and always has been.

Why did the Joco vote finish outside the top five? I think the idea that there's a site-wide conspiracy against a specific player/region to be very unlikely. The Joco campaign rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and voting system allowed them to do something about it. Shouting about conspiracies or elitism and promoting one specific candidate as the antidote doesn't necessarily make you popular.

Are there people with more power in the WA than others? Of course. Every organisation is like that. Does that mean certain viewpoints are smothered in favour of more popular ones? Sure. Does that mean there's a conspiracy?

At some point you just have to honestly ask yourself whether or not you're in the right.

That's me checkout out.

That is the best summarization so far and brings it to the spot.

[Yokiria]

However, I will say that the CCD has since permanently shut down the #irl-politics channel responsible for the vast majority of these infractions, and reformed our warn and ban system to more aggressively discipline those nations who consistently violate our rules

So, if there was another leak, I wouldn't see the kind of awful shit that was in those images?

[The Gilded Star]

I think what also played a part is that Kuriko had such an insurmountable lead towards winning the General, that people felt inclined to vote where they actually felt their vote could matter and make a difference: determining who got into the top 5. In that regard, Jocospor was greatly outnumbered and outgunned in support and popularity.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I'm not going to reply in this thread anymore because it's a giant waste of time, but if people have geniune questions about anything regarding the CCD, feel free to contact either myself or Depackya via telegram.

Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:53 am US Central

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:09 pm US Central

Congrats, you made it a whole 5 hours.

Let me rephrase what I said. I may come here to answer geniune questions about the CCD. I'm not going to bother getting in heated debates here anymore, it's a waste of time.

However, I will say that the CCD has since permanently shut down the #irl-politics channel responsible for the vast majority of these infractions, and reformed our warn and ban system to more aggressively discipline those nations who consistently violate our rules

So, if there was another leak, I wouldn't see the kind of awful shit that was in those images?

No you would not.

I think what also played a part is that Kuriko had such an insurmountable lead towards winning the General, that people felt inclined to vote where they actually felt their vote could matter and make a difference: determining who got into the top 5. In that regard, Jocospor was greatly outnumbered and outgunned in support and popularity.

I think this is a decent hypothesis, but the extent to which it occured would not have been possible without the many efforts made to rig the vote.

Let me clarify: "strategic voting" isn't vote rigging on its own, and this isn't the problem.

The problem - and the reason why this is vote rigging - is that all of the top five candidates, most inarguably members of the WA Elite, banded together in a coordinated effort to keep Jocospor from making the top five. This involved many backroom deals, forum and RMB posts, as well as two mass telegrams telling all WA nations to vote in this way.

My dispatch explains this. Have I linked my dispatch before in this thread? https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

[The New California Republic]

Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:53 am US Central



Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:09 pm US Central

Congrats, you made it a whole 5 hours.

Let me rephrase what I said. I may come here to answer geniune questions about the CCD. I'm not going to bother getting in heated debates here anymore, it's a waste of time.

So you have reneged on what you said, as Ever-Wandering Souls said.

[Nakena]

The temptations are too strong.

[Pangurstan]

The problem - and the reason why this is vote rigging - is that all of the top five candidates, most inarguably members of the WA Elite, banded together in a coordinated effort to keep Jocospor from making the top five. This involved many backroom deals, forum and RMB posts, as well as two mass telegrams telling all WA nations to vote in this way.

That’s called strategic voting

[Yokiria]

So, if there was another leak, I wouldn't see the kind of awful shit that was in those images?

No you would not.

Okay then. We'll see in time if you're right, seeing as how it's more than likely Rein wasn't the only one infiltrating you.

[The New California Republic]

No you would not.

Okay then. We'll see in time if you're right, seeing as how it's more than likely Rein wasn't the only one infiltrating you.

As has been said before, the CCD is likely riddled with deep cover infiltrators of every persuasion by this point.

[Airengard]

I think what also played a part is that Kuriko had such an insurmountable lead towards winning the General, that people felt inclined to vote where they actually felt their vote could matter and make a difference: determining who got into the top 5. In that regard, Jocospor was greatly outnumbered and outgunned in support and popularity.

I think this is a decent hypothesis, but the extent to which it occured would not have been possible without the many efforts made to rig the vote.

Let me clarify: "strategic voting" isn't vote rigging on its own, and this isn't the problem.

The problem - and the reason why this is vote rigging - is that all of the top five candidates, most inarguably members of the WA Elite, banded together in a coordinated effort to keep Jocospor from making the top five. This involved many backroom deals, forum and RMB posts, as well as two mass telegrams telling all WA nations to vote in this way.

My dispatch explains this. Have I linked my dispatch before in this thread? https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

And yet it still did not force people into it. I had all telegrams disabled because I was becoming annoyed with the spam and still decided to vote to keep Jocospor out when I noticed he was right behind the top 5. And I obviously alerted likeminded people. Do you think people banding together to do something against someone they dislike is vote rigging? Honestly, you can whine all you want about WA Elites in usual votes due to the weight of delegates but here everyone had their choice. And the choice saw you kicked out of the top 5. Don't like it? Too bad. Next time try not to use an April Fools event as some garbage propaganda thing. (Not that anyone outside your circles would support Jocospor either ways.)

[Fauxia]

A vote cannot be rigged if it is entirely people voting according to procedure.

Stop accusing the admins of bias.

[Ikania]

I think what also played a part is that Kuriko had such an insurmountable lead towards winning the General, that people felt inclined to vote where they actually felt their vote could matter and make a difference: determining who got into the top 5. In that regard, Jocospor was greatly outnumbered and outgunned in support and popularity.

That sounds like a very roundabout way to say “he lost.”

[The Userite Menace]

*sips tea*

[ShrewLlamaLand]

From another thread:

Wow, funny.

Oh, good, I was hoping you'd like it! I dont know what you call a cult leader, having never been in one. I wanted to say Shadow Pope, but that implies theres a nonshadow Pope and I didnt want to presume. Is it just Pope then, or do you prefer Pontiff? Pastor? Father? Brother? I don't do the religion thing so I'm at a loss.

I know said I'd reply to this but there's really nothing of value to respond to. It's in-character. If you seriously think we've built a cult within a political simulator game then frankly I'm very impressed with our roleplay.

[Yokiria]

From another thread:

Oh, good, I was hoping you'd like it! I dont know what you call a cult leader, having never been in one. I wanted to say Shadow Pope, but that implies theres a nonshadow Pope and I didnt want to presume. Is it just Pope then, or do you prefer Pontiff? Pastor? Father? Brother? I don't do the religion thing so I'm at a loss.

I know said I'd reply to this but there's really nothing of value to respond to.

Then why'd you tow it here?

[The Rich Port]

From another thread:

Oh, good, I was hoping you'd like it! I dont know what you call a cult leader, having never been in one. I wanted to say Shadow Pope, but that implies theres a nonshadow Pope and I didnt want to presume. Is it just Pope then, or do you prefer Pontiff? Pastor? Father? Brother? I don't do the religion thing so I'm at a loss.

I know said I'd reply to this but there's really nothing of value to respond to. It's in-character. If you seriously think we've built a cult within a political simulator game then frankly I'm very impressed with our roleplay.

It's almost like you and Jocospor lack self-awareness and humility, and what should have been an in-character, silly, for-fun drama, you guys took way too seriously.

[The Gilded Star]

I feel like I may have started a trend of directing discussions back this way.

We don't have a fascist tag. At the time of the quoted response, and at the present time, this is true. Yes, we've had a fascist tag in the past, but given what I've just said I really fail to see how that's relevant.

Because, in context, it's a situation where CCD had the fascist tag for several months, and within the same moment, removes it and officially states, "What fascist tag are you talking about? No such tag is there!" It gives the implication that no such thing existed when, in fact, it existed for months just moments prior to the swift removal and denial of it being present. Something that, until your post just now, the CCD failed to convey when questioning why people thought it had a fascist tag.

It would be like me editing posts I've made in the past to remove certain statements and then coming forward saying, "There's no records of me saying that." Yeah, sure, at that specific point in time it's technically correct, but it's also being economical with the whole truth, too.

[The New California Republic]

From another thread:


I know said I'd reply to this but there's really nothing of value to respond to. It's in-character. If you seriously think we've built a cult within a political simulator game then frankly I'm very impressed with our roleplay.

It's almost like you and Jocospor lack self-awareness and humility, and what should have been an in-character, silly, for-fun drama, you guys took way too seriously.

It's similar to how they want to be the most hated region and want to revel in being hated, but when said hatred has consequences then they are salty as fuck about it.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

...rigging...

...rigging...
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...rigging...

...rigging...

....rigging...
...rigging...
..."rigging"...
...rigging...

Wait, I know this one. Oi, give it some bollocks!

'Twas on the good ship Venus, by Chroist you should've seen us...

https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/

Yeah, no. The election (either one) was factually rigged against Sanders by Democrat party rules designed to make it harder for voters to actually cast votes in favor of Sanders, or for those votes to count - either by arbitrarily early cut-off dates for voter registration, or by enabling so-called "superdelegates" to override the actual voters because their votes count for a higher number of votes, or by closed (i.e. party membership required) primaries, or (recently) by encouraging people to come out and vote in person in crowded schools and other public buildings in close quarters in the middle of a pandemic.

What is not rigging is when a candidate says "Hey, you should vote for this person who is not me, because the alternative is worse!" If that were true, Sanders himself would be guilty of trying to "rig" the 2016 election in favor of Hillary Clinton, and every losing primary candidate ever besides.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I drew a picture for you from homeschool, CCD.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

(Image)

Literally getting carried

[Zeritae]

(Image)

Literally getting carried

Made me laugh.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

(Image)

Literally getting carried

“You become strong by lifting others up, not pulling them down.”

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Literally getting carried

“You become strong by lifting others up, not pulling them down.”

Yeah, you certainly are right; Kuriko stomped the competition and won the final round by a landslide

[Cekoviu]

(Image)

I drew a picture for you from homeschool, CCD.

Dear god, the editing on that is atrocious. Did you make it in MS Paint?